Heaven and Hell are Impossible

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    Heaven, Hell, the immortal soul, all these are supposed to be eternal.

    Eternity is outside time.

    But all action and all change occurs within time; outside time, neither action nor change has any conceptual meaning.

    Heaven is supposed to be bliss. Hell is supposed to be suffering.

    Bliss and suffering are both actions or changes. Both, therefore, require time. But Heaven and Hell are conceived as eternal, outside time.

    Heaven and Hell, as usually conceived, are impossible.
     
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    Hey Dragon, ever hear about multi dimensional reality and string theory?

    PBS had a Cosmos show about the multiverse, and in the physicists' understanding, yeah.......both could exist.

    And.........fwiw..........it's not Heaven or hell that are outside time, it is God Himself who is outside of time.
     
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    there are many religions man has made up to soothe himself from lack of knowledge.

    None of them are anything but fantasy
     
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    But eternity is a requirement for immortality. If something is in time, then it is consistently changing, and as it changes it will eventually cease to exist, changing form until it is unrecognizable. The normal conception of Heaven and Hell involves the soul going on, unchanging, forever, and this is only possible outside of time.
     
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    So what's the religion you follow?
     
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    Interestingly enough, this is kinda covered in Judaic understanding. God takes the blade of self will and carves off a small piece of Himself which becomes your soul. In doing so, He puts you into the space/time continium.

    Additionally, John 3:16 states "For God so loved the world that He gave His Only Begotton Son, and whosoever believeth in Him, shall not perish, but shall have everlasting life".

    Nothing in there about being eternal. However.........there IS something in there about living forever. And, if you have a beginning (birth), then you cannot be eternal, but you CAN be forever. Think of the difference between a straight line (eternal) and a ray (forever, because it has a beginning).

    There are also references to souls coming back via reincarnation in many different theologies, including Judaism.

    No, you don't become eternal, you just stay forever.
     
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    I have not remained the same, and so not remained myself, for the mere 55 years of my life to date. How is it realistic in any way for me to remain myself indefinitely and forever? And if I cease to be myself, have I not ceased to exist?
     
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    You've remained a human, and because the body is made of this dimension, it eventually will grow old and break down.

    And granted, your point of view has changed, but haven't you kept pretty much the same set of core beliefs, just expanded a bit?
     
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    Well, there you go, everybody. Close the churches, burn the Bibles.

    Dragon.

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    :rofl::rofl::rofl:

    Dood. You can't even explain how a television works without Googling.

    And you wonder why people make fun of you? :rofl::rofl::rofl:
     
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    Time is reltive.


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