Healthcare vs Spam

They get to die from waiting in other countries. Just as some of our vets here have.
Honey, wait time for coronary bypass in the US?
• Heart disease: Waits for diagnosis and treatment of heart disease, the leading cause of death in the US and Europe, plague nationalized health systems. OECD reported delays of several weeks to months for treatment in Australia, Canada, Finland, England, Norway, and Spain – not including waiting for specialist appointments. In 2008-2009, the average wait for CABG (coronary artery bypass) in the UK was 57 days. Swedes waited a median of 55 days, even though 75% were “imperative” or “urgent.” Canada’s heart surgery patients wait more than 10 weeks after seeing the doctor, and two months for CABG even after cardiologist appointments...
Despite worse outcomes and high risk for death, governments set extremely long “targets” for heart surgery. Wales targets up to eight months; England targets 18 weeks after referral; Canada benchmarks up to 26 weeks for bypass. Defined as acceptable by governments who set them, such targets propagate the illusion of meeting quality standards despite serious underperformance, endangering their (fully insured) citizens.

For possible cancer?

• Cancer screening: Confirming OECD studies, Howard in 2009 reported the US had superior screening rates to all 10 European countries (Austria, Denmark, France, Germany, Greece, Italy, the Netherlands, Spain, Sweden, and Switzerland) for all cancers. And Americans are more likely to be screened younger, when the expected benefit is greatest. Not surprising, for almost all cancers, US patients have less advanced disease at diagnosis than in Europe.

Strikingly, the US wait for routine check-ups was significantly less than for Canadians with serious disorders like “probable cancer” of the gastrointestinal tract (26 days in CA) or proven GI bleeding (71 days in CA). Even for routine physicals, US waits are shorter than for sick patients in countries with nationalized insurance.



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Yeah, let's wait months for surgery, etc. no.

Healthcare wait times hit 20 weeks in 2016: report

Ah! Some anti free healthcare BS! How long do Americans have to wait for surgery now. Tell me. How many doctors would cease to exist here if universal health care came into being. I can tell you. Not a single one! So "if" people had to wait longer for surgeries, it wouldn't be for that reason. "IF" it happened, it would be due to lack of funding! We should have universal health care. But there is one tiny, little thing that would also be needed to be done. A very simple thing indeed. Do it right!

I also did another thread in the healthcare section about making college education not only free, but actually pay students to go to college. If the government figured we needed more doctors, all they would need to do is give students incentives to become doctors. I wonder what surgery wait times would be if the U.S. had more doctors than it needed.

All the U.S. has to do is fix any problems that other countries with nationalized health care have. We need to do what they do. But it doesn't have to be exactly. And why should the wealthy, who are often wealthy because of legal criminality, have to get better service than anybody else.

Also, in the U.S. there are many people who go bankrupt or become homeless because they can't afford their medical bills. That puts financial and other burdens on society in general. Do you know who that happens to in countries with universal health care? NOBODY! Also, many people are basically told by insurance companies here in the U.S. to fuck off and die. They will often find some reason to deny coverage. Do you know who that happens to in countries with nationalized health care? NOBODY! Neither do those countries deal kindly with some jerkoffs who raise the price of some medication by 1500%. After all this, just how bad do some supposed extended wait times for treatment seem.

Don't EVEN try comparing the national health care in other countries to our VA. The VA is a joke! Maybe if veterans could sue the VA for medical malpractice, that would help change things. Another thing is that it is the duty of soldiers to take shit and sacrifice themselves if necessary. Unfortunately it seems that after they are discharged, they are still expected to do the same thing in the VA. To help placate them, Americans are encouraged to pat them on the back and say "Thank you for serving our country!" But I think being treated better by the VA would go a lot farther.

Another thing is that it doesn't take much to be a doctor in the VA. Some people could get their doctoral degree at Tequila U, Guatemala. But if they can't make it as a doctor in private life, the military will take them. Then all they have to do is kick back and slowly increase in rank.
 

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