Healthcare cost a crime

[starcraftzzz]

If we ever going to get the cost of healthcare down we will have to go universal healthcare where everyone put in the pot.

are you a liberal or socialist? Do you have the IQ to understand Republican capitalism?? The Chinese just switched to it are getting rich rather than starving to death. Its been in all the papers.


Imagine if the Chinese leaders had your IQ and said, the only way to make things affordable in all industries is to have universal goods and services for all.

Liberals are liberal because they have a low IQ.

Clearly you do not have toe IQ to understand the fact that every socialized health care system is more efficient then non socialized ones but dont let reality get in the way of you being a retard

 

[whitehall]

Anecdotal accounts of medical treatment notwithstanding, the Founding Fathers said it is a crime for the federal government to require a citizen to purchase goods or services. Lefties have been at war with the Constitution for the last hundred years.

 

[starcraftzzz]

Anecdotal accounts of medical treatment notwithstanding, the Founding Fathers said it is a crime for the federal government to require a citizen to purchase goods or services. Lefties have been at war with the Constitution for the last hundred years.

Is that why Washington required everyone to buy a gun?
Furthermore the health mandate doesn't require you to get insurance it just increases your taxes if you dont

 

[honitel]

Education, healthcare are essential services that are exempt from the law of supply and demand.

 

[eflatminor]

Education, healthcare are essential services that are exempt from the law of supply and demand.

Only three posts and already one of the stupidest statements ever...unless I'm missing the cynicism?

 

[Political Junky]

HEALTHCARE COST A CRIME
against humanity.


I went into ER with a temperature of 102 with a bladder infection. I was given a urinalysis, a chest X-ray (?), IV antibiotics and sent home with Vicodin (I did not ask for) and received a copy of charges to Medicare for $3,965.50. I had to take Remsa, I live a block away from the hospital and the charges was $1000. I noticed these costs had gone up about 25% in the last few years.
I went to a hospital affiliated doctor which is part of a hospital network of doctors and Medicare was charged $288.00 for a urinalysis and was told I still had the infection and I had to go back to the hospital infusion center and receive 10 days of IV antibiotics. I wanted a second opinion and had another urinalysis and it came out negative.
Am I being charged for medical care Illegal Aliens get from this hospital and not paying? Medicare, Medicaid and private insurance is paying for medical care for Illegal Aliens? How much is it costing for hospital to deliver anchor babies? Illegal Aliens need to be deported to bring down the cost of medical care and save Medicare and Medicaid.
If we ever going to get the cost of healthcare down we will have to go universal healthcare where everyone put in the pot. Works for Mass. And Illegal Aliens deported. How are we going to pay for healthcare amnesty will bring.? Otherwise Medicare and Medicaid is really screwed. And if doctors want to opt out they can move their practice to Mexico or go to work at Wal-Mart. I got the feeling they will join in and take a cut in pay instead of no pay at all. Medicare and Medicaid is a big part of their paycheck and they will not be able to survive on private insurance unless they raise their rates and their clients will not go for that and join universal healthcare.
What do we care more about? Private insurance companies staying in business or affordable healthcare for all Americans?

Easy, private insurance companies staying in business.

 

[auditor0007]

So what brings costs down? More competition or more government monopolies? The answer is clear.

Well the more competition option is clearly out since the big concerns have a long history of buying up the smaller competing concerns.

that happens in most industries like computers but prices always come down thanks to capitalism. Now you know why China just switched to capitalism. Its been in all the papers

We have gone the free trade/free market route with healthcare. Are you telling me that the cost has come down? Being the conservative genius that you are, please explain how that has worked?

Oh, let me give you a hint. Removing everyone from the system who cannot afford to pay for it is not an answer. In fact, lowering the number of users would only inflate the cost even more. But please do have a go at it.

 

[auditor0007]

Education, healthcare are essential services that are exempt from the law of supply and demand.

Only three posts and already one of the stupidest statements ever...unless I'm missing the cynicism?

Actually education is not exempt. Costs would most likely come down if all education was privatized. The problem is that those who could least afford it would get really crappy educations. On the healthcare side, it is a different story. We have already proven that the free market model does not work unless you withhold services from a large group of people. If that is what you want, then we are going to have to make it a different argument.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Actually education is not exempt. Costs would most likely come down if all education was privatized.

so true, now they spend 13k per child or $400,000 per classroom. The teacher gets 50k and they waste the rest. Privatize it and the cost would drop 75% and you'd double the education. The liberal crime of making our kids the dumbest in the civilized world would be ended.

The problem is that those who could least afford it would get really crappy educations.

why?? it would be cheap to have a limited voucher system if you had capitalism. Plus if the poor had to pay for education we wouldn't have the perverse situation where the poor have more kids than the rich.

On the healthcare side, it is a different story. We have already proven that the free market model does not work

if you have proof of this I'll pay you $10,000.Bet or admit to being a silly liberal

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Clearly you do not have toe IQ to understand the fact that every socialized health care system is more efficient then non socialized ones but dont let reality get in the way of you being a retard

Of course if true you would not be so afraid to provide your best example of each!!

What does your fear tell you???

 

[eflatminor]

We have gone the free trade/free market route with healthcare.

You're joking right? Healthcare, especially healthcare insurance, has been one of the most over regulated industry in the history of this country. Yours is an incredibly ignorant statement. Monumental...

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

We have gone the free trade/free market route with healthcare.

an absolutely perfect example of the liberal IQ.

A liberal will lack the IQ not know that Medicaid Medicare VA Schip and illegal interstate health insurance competition is not free trade/free market.

What can one say in the face of such perfect liberalism?

 

[beagle9]

HEALTHCARE COST A CRIME
against humanity.


I went into ER with a temperature of 102 with a bladder infection. I was given a urinalysis, a chest X-ray (?), IV antibiotics and sent home with Vicodin (I did not ask for) and received a copy of charges to Medicare for $3,965.50. I had to take Remsa, I live a block away from the hospital and the charges was $1000. I noticed these costs had gone up about 25% in the last few years.
I went to a hospital affiliated doctor which is part of a hospital network of doctors and Medicare was charged $288.00 for a urinalysis and was told I still had the infection and I had to go back to the hospital infusion center and receive 10 days of IV antibiotics. I wanted a second opinion and had another urinalysis and it came out negative.
Am I being charged for medical care Illegal Aliens get from this hospital and not paying? Medicare, Medicaid and private insurance is paying for medical care for Illegal Aliens? How much is it costing for hospital to deliver anchor babies? Illegal Aliens need to be deported to bring down the cost of medical care and save Medicare and Medicaid.
If we ever going to get the cost of healthcare down we will have to go universal healthcare where everyone put in the pot. Works for Mass. And Illegal Aliens deported. How are we going to pay for healthcare amnesty will bring.? Otherwise Medicare and Medicaid is really screwed. And if doctors want to opt out they can move their practice to Mexico or go to work at Wal-Mart. I got the feeling they will join in and take a cut in pay instead of no pay at all. Medicare and Medicaid is a big part of their paycheck and they will not be able to survive on private insurance unless they raise their rates and their clients will not go for that and join universal healthcare.
What do we care more about? Private insurance companies staying in business or affordable healthcare for all Americans?

I just had an Equine Vet come out (25 miles trip one way) and float my elderly horses teeth, also gave her her vacinations, did some blood work and basically just did a good physical on her. Do you know what it cost for this living breathing creature to have this important work done on her ? It cost 271.00 dollars total for the trip services and all....That is great isn't it ? Now think about it this way for a second - is a horse more valuble a creature than a human being is now while standing upon this earth, and if so, then how did we arrive at this conclusion within our society these days ? Are we no better than a horse, that we are charged extreme charges for our health and well being, where as many just die over time as a result of their illnesses because of these extreme charges and cost these days), and yet a horse gets the same treatment and care for a mere $271.00 dollars as oposed to what you just went through when dealing with the medical industry for humans these days ? It is really a shame what has taken place in all of this that is going on in the human world right now today as we know it, and this as opposed to the animal world as we also know that world to be, and do care for it also.

 

[starcraftzzz]

You idiot that is why the rules of supply and demand and globalization, etc do not apply to health care.

you mean in health care people don't care what things cost or providers don't care to be competitive??

As a liberal you lack the IQ to know what the laws of supply and demand are.

I see so when you are bleeding out you will go to the doctors and ask them the price and cost to make sure they are not over priced and if they are you will then prorly leave to go find another doctor to safe your live.....
thanks for again showing are stupid/ignorant you are

 

[starcraftzzz]

Clearly you do not have toe IQ to understand the fact that every socialized health care system is more efficient then non socialized ones but dont let reality get in the way of you being a retard

Of course if true you would not be so afraid to provide your best example of each!!

What does your fear tell you???

Ive posted htis shit a dozen times to you perhaps the problem here is that you are a retard who cannot read.

The Relative Efficiency of Public and Private Health Care | Angry Bear - Financial and Economic Commentary
==Government spending increases health outcomes more than private spending

http://www.cms.hhs.gov/NationalHealthExpendData/downloads/tables.pdf
==Medicare costs per beneficiary since 1970 have been 1.1% less than the private market.
==If the private markets cost inflation equaled that of Medicare private insurance would cost 44% less than it does today.
^This is despite medicare having better health outcomes

Private Medicare Plans Do Not Offer Better Health Outcomes || CMA
^Medicare private advantage plans have around 7-38% lower health outcomes then regular Medicare

Pressure builds for further slashes to Medicare Advantage spending - amednews.com
^Medicare advantage costs 18% more than regular Medicare

Veterans Pan McCain's 'Veterans Care Access Card' Plan | ThinkProgress
In An Attempt To Criticize Health Reform, Coburn Smears Veteran Health Care As 'Untenable To Most Americans' | ThinkProgress
^3 studies show VA has better care than private hospitals, and costs less even though it treats older, sicker patients.
^VA health care delivers about 30% better quality care than private health care.
^VA Costs 40% less than private health care.

http://www.commonwealthfund.org/usr_doc/Shea_hltsysperformanceselectednations_chartpack.pdf
Core Health Indicators
http://assets.opencrs.com/rpts/RL34175_20070917.pdf
OECD Health Data 2011 - Frequently Requested Data
==Academic standards show America has worse healthcare then other countries.
USA compared to government health care. (all statistics are per capita).
Despite Ameircan spending 150% more than OCED countries
1) America has 50% more Medical errors.
2) America is worst in preventable deaths. If America was like government health care 200,000 people would be saved a year.
3) America has 2 million more medical bankruptcies compared to 0.
4) America has 26% less doctors.
5) America has 4% less nurses.
6) America has 46% less hospital beds.
7) America saw half the life expectancy change than countries who changed to government health care.
8) Infant mortality rates are 17% higher in America.
9) America has 100% less Psychiatric care beds.
10) America has 20% less people who go to hospitals.
11) America has 26% more years of life lost due to medical reasons.
12) America has 40% more Respiratory deaths
13) US Tuberculosis treatment success is 10% less
14) 50% more infant deaths
15) 30% more asthma deaths
16) 40% more years lost due to medical conditions
17) 100% more diabetes deaths
15) 50% more deaths by children taken to a hospital for a medical reason

 

[eflatminor]

I see so when you are bleeding out you will go to the doctors and ask them the price and cost to make sure they are not over priced and if they are you will then prorly leave to go find another doctor to safe your live.....

Personally, I would arrange insurance for such circumstances beforehand. A lack of proper planning on your part does not necessarily constitute an emergency on my part.

Of course, since the vast majority of medical aliments are not immediate life-or-death situations, shopping for the best combination of service and price would be perfectly acceptable...if we had anything approaching a free market in healthcare that is.

 

[starcraftzzz]

I see so when you are bleeding out you will go to the doctors and ask them the price and cost to make sure they are not over priced and if they are you will then prorly leave to go find another doctor to safe your live.....

Personally, I would arrange insurance for such circumstances beforehand. A lack of proper planning on your part does not necessarily constitute an emergency on my part.

Of course, since the vast majority of medical aliments are not immediate life-or-death situations, shopping for the best combination of service and price would be perfectly acceptable...if we had anything approaching a free market in healthcare that is.

Yes me getting shot or T-bone by a drunk driver is total a lack of planning on my part. Dumbass.
Every example of free market health care has failed, adn every reform to make it more free market fails, meaning you're insane

 

[eflatminor]

I see so when you are bleeding out you will go to the doctors and ask them the price and cost to make sure they are not over priced and if they are you will then prorly leave to go find another doctor to safe your live.....

Personally, I would arrange insurance for such circumstances beforehand. A lack of proper planning on your part does not necessarily constitute an emergency on my part.

Of course, since the vast majority of medical aliments are not immediate life-or-death situations, shopping for the best combination of service and price would be perfectly acceptable...if we had anything approaching a free market in healthcare that is.

Yes me getting shot or T-bone by a drunk driver is total a lack of planning on my part. Dumbass.
Every example of free market health care has failed, adn every reform to make it more free market fails, meaning you're insane

Straight to vulgarities and ad hominem attacks. You know, I have a friend with an eight year old boy that acts similarly when he's frustrated and just can't use his grown up words. Anyway, good luck dealing with all that.

To your "points". Yes, you should plan on the possibility of getting shot or T-boned by buying health insurance. That's what it's for.

Lastly, there is NO example of free market health care, not for many, many decades at least.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Every example of free market health care has failed,

If so why are you so afraid to provide us with your best example of free market failure???

What does your fear tell you???

 

[beagle9]

Personally, I would arrange insurance for such circumstances beforehand. A lack of proper planning on your part does not necessarily constitute an emergency on my part.

Of course, since the vast majority of medical aliments are not immediate life-or-death situations, shopping for the best combination of service and price would be perfectly acceptable...if we had anything approaching a free market in healthcare that is.

Yes me getting shot or T-bone by a drunk driver is total a lack of planning on my part. Dumbass.
Every example of free market health care has failed, adn every reform to make it more free market fails, meaning you're insane

Straight to vulgarities and ad hominem attacks. You know, I have a friend with an eight year old boy that acts similarly when he's frustrated and just can't use his grown up words. Anyway, good luck dealing with all that.

To your "points". Yes, you should plan on the possibility of getting shot or T-boned by buying health insurance. That's what it's for.

Lastly, there is NO example of free market health care, not for many, many decades at least.

What if you cannot afford the plan, just as so many have been shut out of this market place now ?

Then what ?

So then you go to the emergency room, where you will literally die waiting on a doctor to see you.. Remember the videos of people actually dying in the emergency room, before being seen ?

Why should people be subjected to this as an alternative to their poorer job status in life, while others are treated like kings due to their fortunes in life, even when we don't really know how those fortunes were made or even if they were made legal in the process or other? What if I had been an honest good hardworking citizen in my country, but yet I didnot have the mental capacity to be everything that another person could be in their life, and so I found myself living just beneath the poverty line in the range that was suited for me, my status and training in which suited my mental capacity in life, where as I was not able to qualify for any assistance of any kind, because of being just out of qualification range for these programs, nor did I want them if I didnot have to have them. Then a turn of events happens, where I become sickened, and so I make my own way to the hospital where I am checked in to the emergency waiting room, and then I am asked to sit down and wait, and this all because I was looked at as a second class citizen due to having no insurance for one example of, where I was then pushed to the back of the line because of not showing that I am somebody important through having better credentials in life, and this is all according to the staff and their training on such matters. Next I die because I was told to take a seat, when something bad was wrong with me, but they didnot recognize that in the situation, nor did I have any medical records to show a possible dangerous condition, because I couldn't afford insurance in order to go to a regular doctor for a full documentation of my health over time, and this along with the preventive measures granted in order to help my condition.

This has happened or is happening across this nation to it's citizens, and this is why reforms have to be continued in order to learn how to help every American citizen to have the chance at life in which they deserve as human beings, just like we help our animals, so shall we help that of our own kind.