Health Premiums Up $3,000; Obama Vowed $2,500 Cut

[Claudette]

Yeah. To cover the costs of the uninsured.

Folks buying their own insurance have seen their costs skyrocket. Was watching O'Reilly and he says his cost jumped by 3 grand.

So I think theres more to it than just the usual cost increases.

Right to cover the costs of the uninsured and for those going bankrupt. So tell me this, do you think it would be cheaper for someone to receive care through the ER or by going to a family doctor?

To also cover the costs of those with pre-existing conditions, as in the Obama Tax legislation. To cover more children under their parents plan, to cover those who made an "honest mistake" on their application and a host of other cost dumpings mandated on insurers.

It may not be the only thing raising healthcare insurance costs, but it most certainly is helping. Which was the plan. Make the system so unsustainable plebs scream for a single payer government option. It's all in the bill...that we had to sign to read.....

Oh yeah. The Govt in charge of HC. Jesus. I can hardly wait. What a clusterfuck.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

The government can not, as shown throughout our history, run these types of programs sustainably. They always make it worse. Far worse.

But go ahead and ask for it. You're gonna get it anyway. At least Obama was upfront in saying that this bill was designed to make people beg for a single payer government option.

The system is unsustainable BECAUSE of govt. collusion in the first place. But it's a little late to bother arguing abotu that now.

it's the state tactic from long ago.

Create a problem, get a reaction, offer a solution.

 

[Liberal]

My premiums went down.

I pay about $35 less a month and my employer pays less as well.. We have had the same coverage ever since I started working there in 2005.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

Well, aren't you lucky. Mine went up 17% this year.

 

[Claudette]

Well, aren't you lucky. Mine went up 17% this year.

Yup. Mine and everyone I work withs went up as well.

I have friends who buy their own. Jesus. Theirs went through the roof.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

The government can not, as shown throughout our history, run these types of programs sustainably. They always make it worse. Far worse.

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[Politico]

During his first run for president, Barack Obama made one very specific promise to voters: He would cut health insurance premiums for families by $2,500, and do so in his first term.

Health insurance? What's that?

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Paul Ryan Going
Full-Blown Teabagger!!!​

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[Liberal]

During his first run for president, Barack Obama made one very specific promise to voters: He would cut health insurance premiums for families by $2,500, and do so in his first term.

Health insurance? What's that?

Just go to the ER.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

The government can not, as shown throughout our history, run these types of programs sustainably. They always make it worse. Far worse.

But go ahead and ask for it. You're gonna get it anyway. At least Obama was upfront in saying that this bill was designed to make people beg for a single payer government option.

The system is unsustainable BECAUSE of govt. collusion in the first place. But it's a little late to bother arguing abotu that now.

it's the state tactic from long ago.

Create a problem, get a reaction, offer a solution.

unsustainable is right....the UK tried it and the results are in.....one big flop of a failure....you get very scary rationing of care and national bankruptcy.....so why can't Americans get a fucking clue....?

“Europe’s message to the world is no longer that the socialist dream of the cradle-to-grave welfare state is an easy achievement,” he said. “Rather, it is the shouted warning that it is a fool’s paradise. The bills are coming due and the only real alternatives–serious financial reform of government or national bankruptcy–are not pleasant.”

The president isn’t listening. The total dismissal of such “unpleasantness” was epitomized by Mr. Obama’s release of a $3.8 trillion budget, a document so unserious that Senate Leader Harry Reid won’t even bring it up for a vote this year. As for the “revenue-neutral” healthcare bill this administration has long touted, the Heritage Foundation found $700 billion in additional, guaranteed costs. As for “unanticipated costs” (progressive-speak for costs that should be anticipated)? If a large number of businesses choose to cancel coverage and dump their employees into the public exchanges, another one trillion dollars could be added to the cost of the bill. Furthermore, it must be noted that one part of it, the CLASS Act, has already been dumped, due to its fiscal unsustainability.

So why would we continue to pursue such an approach to healthcare, even as the latest cautionary tale from the European Union emerges? Sally Pipes, an American health policy expert who leads the Pacific Research Institute in San Francisco put it best. “They [President Barack Obama, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi] are ideologues,” said Pipes. “They don’t care whether the system really works or not. They have an ideological goal in mind.” One this troika seems doggedly determined to pursue, even if it drives the country bankrupt in the process.

That’s not ideology. That’s insanity.

Why the UK Is Ditching Socialized Medicine | FrontPage Magazine

 

[Polk]

Of course Obamacare is gonna cost more.

The Govt, in its entire history, has never run anything cheaply or well and they will be running Obamacare.

Those of us who have HC coverage will be paying up the ass to cover those without. Obamacare sucks and the only winners are those who didn't have HC before. The rest of us will be paying their freight as well as our own.

Anyone who think Obamacare is gonna be cheaper is an idiot.

Regular Medicare is cheaper than the privatized version Medicare Advantage.

And it also is cheaper than private health insurance, when you consider the differences in the risk pool.

 

[Claudette]

The government can not, as shown throughout our history, run these types of programs sustainably. They always make it worse. Far worse.

But go ahead and ask for it. You're gonna get it anyway. At least Obama was upfront in saying that this bill was designed to make people beg for a single payer government option.

The system is unsustainable BECAUSE of govt. collusion in the first place. But it's a little late to bother arguing abotu that now.

it's the state tactic from long ago.

Create a problem, get a reaction, offer a solution.

unsustainable is right....the UK tried it and the results are in.....one big flop of a failure....you get very scary rationing of care and national bankruptcy.....so why can't Americans get a fucking clue....?

“Europe’s message to the world is no longer that the socialist dream of the cradle-to-grave welfare state is an easy achievement,” he said. “Rather, it is the shouted warning that it is a fool’s paradise. The bills are coming due and the only real alternatives–serious financial reform of government or national bankruptcy–are not pleasant.”

The president isn’t listening. The total dismissal of such “unpleasantness” was epitomized by Mr. Obama’s release of a $3.8 trillion budget, a document so unserious that Senate Leader Harry Reid won’t even bring it up for a vote this year. As for the “revenue-neutral” healthcare bill this administration has long touted, the Heritage Foundation found $700 billion in additional, guaranteed costs. As for “unanticipated costs” (progressive-speak for costs that should be anticipated)? If a large number of businesses choose to cancel coverage and dump their employees into the public exchanges, another one trillion dollars could be added to the cost of the bill. Furthermore, it must be noted that one part of it, the CLASS Act, has already been dumped, due to its fiscal unsustainability.

So why would we continue to pursue such an approach to healthcare, even as the latest cautionary tale from the European Union emerges? Sally Pipes, an American health policy expert who leads the Pacific Research Institute in San Francisco put it best. “They [President Barack Obama, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi] are ideologues,” said Pipes. “They don’t care whether the system really works or not. They have an ideological goal in mind.” One this troika seems doggedly determined to pursue, even if it drives the country bankrupt in the process.

That’s not ideology. That’s insanity.

Why the UK Is Ditching Socialized Medicine | FrontPage Magazine

America had a fucking clue till Barry and his "historic moment" came along.

His clusterfuck does nothing to address the real problem with HC. Cost. All it does is ad a load of folks onto the train.

Let HC companies compete with each other across America. Competition will bring prices down. Obamacare sure won't.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

The government can not, as shown throughout our history, run these types of programs sustainably. They always make it worse. Far worse.

But go ahead and ask for it. You're gonna get it anyway. At least Obama was upfront in saying that this bill was designed to make people beg for a single payer government option.

The system is unsustainable BECAUSE of govt. collusion in the first place. But it's a little late to bother arguing abotu that now.

it's the state tactic from long ago.

Create a problem, get a reaction, offer a solution.

unsustainable is right....the UK tried it and the results are in.....one big flop of a failure....you get very scary rationing of care and national bankruptcy.....so why can't Americans get a fucking clue....?

“Europe’s message to the world is no longer that the socialist dream of the cradle-to-grave welfare state is an easy achievement,” he said. “Rather, it is the shouted warning that it is a fool’s paradise. The bills are coming due and the only real alternatives–serious financial reform of government or national bankruptcy–are not pleasant.”

The president isn’t listening. The total dismissal of such “unpleasantness” was epitomized by Mr. Obama’s release of a $3.8 trillion budget, a document so unserious that Senate Leader Harry Reid won’t even bring it up for a vote this year. As for the “revenue-neutral” healthcare bill this administration has long touted, the Heritage Foundation found $700 billion in additional, guaranteed costs. As for “unanticipated costs” (progressive-speak for costs that should be anticipated)? If a large number of businesses choose to cancel coverage and dump their employees into the public exchanges, another one trillion dollars could be added to the cost of the bill. Furthermore, it must be noted that one part of it, the CLASS Act, has already been dumped, due to its fiscal unsustainability.

So why would we continue to pursue such an approach to healthcare, even as the latest cautionary tale from the European Union emerges? Sally Pipes, an American health policy expert who leads the Pacific Research Institute in San Francisco put it best. “They [President Barack Obama, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi] are ideologues,” said Pipes. “They don’t care whether the system really works or not. They have an ideological goal in mind.” One this troika seems doggedly determined to pursue, even if it drives the country bankrupt in the process.

That’s not ideology. That’s insanity.

Why the UK Is Ditching Socialized Medicine | FrontPage Magazine

America had a fucking clue till Barry and his "historic moment" came along.

His clusterfuck does nothing to address the real problem with HC. Cost. All it does is ad a load of folks onto the train.

Let HC companies compete with each other across America. Competition will bring prices down. Obamacare sure won't.

Obama really doesn't give a DAMN about anybody's health care or the cost....all he cares about is the government CONTROL of everybody's heathcare as well as a huge chunk of the economy....

As an ideologue.....a marxist......all he's really after is power and control....

 

[hazlnut]

During his first run for president, Barack Obama made one very specific promise to voters: He would cut health insurance premiums for families by $2,500, and do so in his first term.

But it turns out that family premiums have increased by more than $3,000 since Obama's vow, according to the latest annual Kaiser Family Foundation employee health benefits survey.

Premiums for employer-provided family coverage rose $3,065 — 24% — from 2008 to 2012, the Kaiser survey found. Even if you start counting in 2009, premiums have climbed $2,370.

What's more, premiums climbed faster in Obama's four years than they did in the previous four under President Bush, the survey data show.

There's no question about what Obama was promising the country, since he repeated it constantly during his 2008 campaign.

In a debate with Sen. John McCain, for example, Obama said "the only thing we're going to try to do is lower costs so that those cost savings are passed onto you. And we estimate we can cut the average family's premium by about $2,500 per year."

At a campaign stop in Columbus, Ohio, in February 2008, Obama promised that "We are going to work with you to lower your premiums by $2,500. We will not wait 20 years from now to do it, or 10 years from now to do it. We will do it by the end of my first term as president."

2008 Promises, 2012 Reality

To back that up, Obama pointed to a memo drafted by Harvard professors (and unpaid campaign advisers), which claimed that investing in health care IT, cutting administrative bloat, and improving management of chronic diseases would cut health costs by $140 billion a year. That would translate into $2,500 in premium savings for families.

But those projections were wildly optimistic, overestimating potential savings from IT, making big assumptions about disease management, and ignoring the fact that past government interventions have always increased health care administrative costs.

Meanwhile, the health reform law Obama signed in March 2010 has pushed up insurance costs.

In 2011, premiums spiked 9.5%, and many in the industry blame ObamaCare for at least part of it. Premiums climbed another 4.5% in 2012, Kaiser found.

And ObamaCare will continue to fuel health premium inflation.

First, the law piles on new coverage mandates. It requires insurance companies to provide 100% coverage for various types of preventive care, bans lifetime coverage limits, extends parents' coverage to offspring up to 26 years old, and requires plans to meet certain "medical loss ratios." Coming up are rules on "essential standard benefits," limits on deductibles, bans on annual spending caps, and much more.
Health Premiums Up $3,000 Under Obama; He Had Vowed $2,500 Cut - Investors.com

Could you please post an article that proves causal relationship.

No?

I didn't think so.