Health Care Should Be FREE! (In the U.S.)

Oh. You mean what you "earned" in the absence of any other single human on the planet? You're a joke. Next, moron, what is it you don't get. If medical coverage and college were free, "everybody" would benifit. In the documentary "Sicko," the people they talked to, the "working" ones, were horrified at the thought of doing without their free medical coverage. And you are horrified at the thought of it? How interesting. Also, I have something to suggest to you too. But I don't feel like getting banned.

Dear krypto OK so if the benefits are going to pay off,
are you willing to fund this yourself if you believe it so much?
I give donations to Doctors without Borders because their
cost effectiveness ensures the most people will benefit.

There's nothing wrong with CHOOSING to give charity.

But krypto if you are going to MANDATE charity,
who has the right to DICTATE WHICH CHARITIES
to give to? Why isn't this left to people to decide
to give to Harvard medical school to expand public health internships
and outreach. Or give to UTMB in Galveston.

If this is mandated through govt isn't that dangerous?
What if rightwing could get in control and MANDATE
that our taxes go to PROLIFE groups and anyone
who wants to give to PROCHOICE options, too bad,
you still get FINED and your MONEY goes to the PROLIFE programs anyway.

krypto if you are going to have FEDERAL GOVT
dictate which health care groups to fund, who gets
to decide the rules and regulations.

I'm sorry you don't get this.
Someone you assume that once this power get
into the hands of govt then "magically the govt
will direct the money as you want in your mind"

Good luck with that krypto from experience
the ONLY way I know to ensure the money goes
where YOU think it should go is for YOU to direct
the money there YOURSELF. This is what
conservatives means by running social programs
through the PRIVATE sector where YOU control
the money and where it goes because it's your money you are responsible for.

krypto I will believe you when you try to set up a program
like Doctors without Borders, Pace Universal or AmeriCares.
Go ahead, see how much work it takes to manage health
care resources and services and get them from point A to point B.
You'll quickly find you don't want govt involved and interfering
with the operations it takes to run such a program effectively.

Remember krypto when you run a program as a private
individual or organization, you can make all the decisions yourself.
When you RUN THINGS THROUGH FEDERAL GOVT
that means you have to vote and pass things that represent
ALL OTHER PEOPLE AND STATES represented by GOVT.

So all the people you are arguing with HERE
they would have to AGREE where and how to fund
which policy or program to make it work and represent everyone.

If you want to run things YOUR way, then you do it privately.
You fund and manage it yourself, through your own organization,
and then you retain full freedom to decide how to do it.

I think you and other liberals have gotten in the bad habit of
expecting to run things through govt and think it will come out
how YOU want it. But YOU aren't the entire nation paying it
and owed equal representation for anytihng passed and enforced by govt.

You seem to think that "once the money is in the hands of govt
you have the right to spend it any way you see fit"

WHY do you think you have the right to bypass the consent
of other taxpayers who are paying in also?

WHY do you think your idea is so much better you can
impose and dictate on everyone else?

I'd really like to know why and where you get this idea.
If any other group took public tax dollars and voted to give it
some charity you didn't agree to fund, you'd yell too.
Why can't you see that people deserve equal freedom
to make that choice where to fund social programs that not everyone agrees on?

Where's the inclusion of diversity?
Where does this come from that you think you can dictate for the rest of the nation?

Blah blah blah. I'm not talking about charity. I'm talking about society. And your talk of me personally funding free health care, or paying students to go to college, is ludicrous. Also, your argument about pro-life is pretty far off the mark. No matter how those pro-life morons slice it, it is always going to be the better argument that it is the woman's body so it should be her choice. Another thing is that, like it or not, other countries make universal health care work. If Americans can't, it doesn't mean that there is something wrong with universal health care. It means that there is something wrong with America. Which there is. Many things.

If it's the woman's choices because it's her body, why are the rest of us forced to support what SHE chooses to have when she can't afford the choice SHE made? If she makes the choice, shouldn't she be the one to pay for that choice whatever the choice may be?

Conservative65 Maybe if we started holding the MEN accountable
for the costs they helped to create, we'd get an answer to your questions!

There is a legal system in place to address your concern. What else would you like?

Dear JBond the current legal system only works
after a crime is committed and doesn't guarantee equal legal resources or defense to all people
It isn't designed to address preventing abuses in advance from becoming civil or criminal violations.
That's why we don't have equal due process and protections in this county.

JBond for cases of rape and murder, only PREVENTING them from happening in the first
place would equally protect all citizens. Once your rights are violated you can't get them back;
it takes work to restore justice so you are already unequal to someone who didn't suffer violation.

That isn't equal justice.

We need to support systems of restorative justice that correct wrongs in ways
that DETER and PREVENT future and repeat occurrences.

Our legal system doesn't do this but obstructs it by rewarding taking the Fifth Amendment
and not holding people accountable for the costs and consequences of their actions.

It is too easily abused to deny due process and equal justice as well as other Constitutional rights.
 
Oh. You mean what you "earned" in the absence of any other single human on the planet? You're a joke. Next, moron, what is it you don't get. If medical coverage and college were free, "everybody" would benifit. In the documentary "Sicko," the people they talked to, the "working" ones, were horrified at the thought of doing without their free medical coverage. And you are horrified at the thought of it? How interesting. Also, I have something to suggest to you too. But I don't feel like getting banned.

Dear krypto OK so if the benefits are going to pay off,
are you willing to fund this yourself if you believe it so much?
I give donations to Doctors without Borders because their
cost effectiveness ensures the most people will benefit.

There's nothing wrong with CHOOSING to give charity.

But krypto if you are going to MANDATE charity,
who has the right to DICTATE WHICH CHARITIES
to give to? Why isn't this left to people to decide
to give to Harvard medical school to expand public health internships
and outreach. Or give to UTMB in Galveston.

If this is mandated through govt isn't that dangerous?
What if rightwing could get in control and MANDATE
that our taxes go to PROLIFE groups and anyone
who wants to give to PROCHOICE options, too bad,
you still get FINED and your MONEY goes to the PROLIFE programs anyway.

krypto if you are going to have FEDERAL GOVT
dictate which health care groups to fund, who gets
to decide the rules and regulations.

I'm sorry you don't get this.
Someone you assume that once this power get
into the hands of govt then "magically the govt
will direct the money as you want in your mind"

Good luck with that krypto from experience
the ONLY way I know to ensure the money goes
where YOU think it should go is for YOU to direct
the money there YOURSELF. This is what
conservatives means by running social programs
through the PRIVATE sector where YOU control
the money and where it goes because it's your money you are responsible for.

krypto I will believe you when you try to set up a program
like Doctors without Borders, Pace Universal or AmeriCares.
Go ahead, see how much work it takes to manage health
care resources and services and get them from point A to point B.
You'll quickly find you don't want govt involved and interfering
with the operations it takes to run such a program effectively.

Remember krypto when you run a program as a private
individual or organization, you can make all the decisions yourself.
When you RUN THINGS THROUGH FEDERAL GOVT
that means you have to vote and pass things that represent
ALL OTHER PEOPLE AND STATES represented by GOVT.

So all the people you are arguing with HERE
they would have to AGREE where and how to fund
which policy or program to make it work and represent everyone.

If you want to run things YOUR way, then you do it privately.
You fund and manage it yourself, through your own organization,
and then you retain full freedom to decide how to do it.

I think you and other liberals have gotten in the bad habit of
expecting to run things through govt and think it will come out
how YOU want it. But YOU aren't the entire nation paying it
and owed equal representation for anytihng passed and enforced by govt.

You seem to think that "once the money is in the hands of govt
you have the right to spend it any way you see fit"

WHY do you think you have the right to bypass the consent
of other taxpayers who are paying in also?

WHY do you think your idea is so much better you can
impose and dictate on everyone else?

I'd really like to know why and where you get this idea.
If any other group took public tax dollars and voted to give it
some charity you didn't agree to fund, you'd yell too.
Why can't you see that people deserve equal freedom
to make that choice where to fund social programs that not everyone agrees on?

Where's the inclusion of diversity?
Where does this come from that you think you can dictate for the rest of the nation?

Blah blah blah. I'm not talking about charity. I'm talking about society. And your talk of me personally funding free health care, or paying students to go to college, is ludicrous. Also, your argument about pro-life is pretty far off the mark. No matter how those pro-life morons slice it, it is always going to be the better argument that it is the woman's body so it should be her choice. Another thing is that, like it or not, other countries make universal health care work. If Americans can't, it doesn't mean that there is something wrong with universal health care. It means that there is something wrong with America. Which there is. Many things.

If it's the woman's choices because it's her body, why are the rest of us forced to support what SHE chooses to have when she can't afford the choice SHE made? If she makes the choice, shouldn't she be the one to pay for that choice whatever the choice may be?

Conservative65 Maybe if we started holding the MEN accountable
for the costs they helped to create, we'd get an answer to your questions!

I'm all for the sperm donor baby daddy doing just that. I'm also in favor that when/if he doesn't, the rest of us by default aren't held financially responsible for a choice we were told was none of our business. If a woman wants to have a dozen kids, that's her choice. I'm willing to let her do so. However, when she can't afford her choice and can't get the one(s) for whom she spread her legs to fund them, don't come looking to me as a money source.

I address those who say what a woman does with her body is none of my or the government's business. My problem is when the one telling me and the government to butt out of her choice comes looking for help and wants that same government she told to butt out to force those people she told to butt out to pay for it. I don't really give a shit if the sperm donor baby daddy helps her or not as long as the rest of us aren't forced to fund a choice we were told was none of our business.

Yep Conservative65 That's why I think we're heading toward
separating parties from govt as political religions or beliefs.

If parties are recognized as having similar status and treatment as religious organizations funding their own agenda, we can argue we don't agree with those beliefs, that should be kept private and outside govt.

What do you say, mate?
 
Dear krypto OK so if the benefits are going to pay off,
are you willing to fund this yourself if you believe it so much?
I give donations to Doctors without Borders because their
cost effectiveness ensures the most people will benefit.

There's nothing wrong with CHOOSING to give charity.

But krypto if you are going to MANDATE charity,
who has the right to DICTATE WHICH CHARITIES
to give to? Why isn't this left to people to decide
to give to Harvard medical school to expand public health internships
and outreach. Or give to UTMB in Galveston.

If this is mandated through govt isn't that dangerous?
What if rightwing could get in control and MANDATE
that our taxes go to PROLIFE groups and anyone
who wants to give to PROCHOICE options, too bad,
you still get FINED and your MONEY goes to the PROLIFE programs anyway.

krypto if you are going to have FEDERAL GOVT
dictate which health care groups to fund, who gets
to decide the rules and regulations.

I'm sorry you don't get this.
Someone you assume that once this power get
into the hands of govt then "magically the govt
will direct the money as you want in your mind"

Good luck with that krypto from experience
the ONLY way I know to ensure the money goes
where YOU think it should go is for YOU to direct
the money there YOURSELF. This is what
conservatives means by running social programs
through the PRIVATE sector where YOU control
the money and where it goes because it's your money you are responsible for.

krypto I will believe you when you try to set up a program
like Doctors without Borders, Pace Universal or AmeriCares.
Go ahead, see how much work it takes to manage health
care resources and services and get them from point A to point B.
You'll quickly find you don't want govt involved and interfering
with the operations it takes to run such a program effectively.

Remember krypto when you run a program as a private
individual or organization, you can make all the decisions yourself.
When you RUN THINGS THROUGH FEDERAL GOVT
that means you have to vote and pass things that represent
ALL OTHER PEOPLE AND STATES represented by GOVT.

So all the people you are arguing with HERE
they would have to AGREE where and how to fund
which policy or program to make it work and represent everyone.

If you want to run things YOUR way, then you do it privately.
You fund and manage it yourself, through your own organization,
and then you retain full freedom to decide how to do it.

I think you and other liberals have gotten in the bad habit of
expecting to run things through govt and think it will come out
how YOU want it. But YOU aren't the entire nation paying it
and owed equal representation for anytihng passed and enforced by govt.

You seem to think that "once the money is in the hands of govt
you have the right to spend it any way you see fit"

WHY do you think you have the right to bypass the consent
of other taxpayers who are paying in also?

WHY do you think your idea is so much better you can
impose and dictate on everyone else?

I'd really like to know why and where you get this idea.
If any other group took public tax dollars and voted to give it
some charity you didn't agree to fund, you'd yell too.
Why can't you see that people deserve equal freedom
to make that choice where to fund social programs that not everyone agrees on?

Where's the inclusion of diversity?
Where does this come from that you think you can dictate for the rest of the nation?

Blah blah blah. I'm not talking about charity. I'm talking about society. And your talk of me personally funding free health care, or paying students to go to college, is ludicrous. Also, your argument about pro-life is pretty far off the mark. No matter how those pro-life morons slice it, it is always going to be the better argument that it is the woman's body so it should be her choice. Another thing is that, like it or not, other countries make universal health care work. If Americans can't, it doesn't mean that there is something wrong with universal health care. It means that there is something wrong with America. Which there is. Many things.

If it's the woman's choices because it's her body, why are the rest of us forced to support what SHE chooses to have when she can't afford the choice SHE made? If she makes the choice, shouldn't she be the one to pay for that choice whatever the choice may be?

Conservative65 Maybe if we started holding the MEN accountable
for the costs they helped to create, we'd get an answer to your questions!

There is a legal system in place to address your concern. What else would you like?

Dear JBond the current legal system only works
after a crime is committed and doesn't guarantee equal legal resources or defense to all people
It isn't designed to address preventing abuses in advance from becoming civil or criminal violations.
That's why we don't have equal due process and protections in this county.

JBond for cases of rape and murder, only PREVENTING them from happening in the first
place would equally protect all citizens. Once your rights are violated you can't get them back;
it takes work to restore justice so you are already unequal to someone who didn't suffer violation.

That isn't equal justice.

We need to support systems of restorative justice that correct wrongs in ways
that DETER and PREVENT future and repeat occurrences.

Our legal system doesn't do this but obstructs it by rewarding taking the Fifth Amendment
and not holding people accountable for the costs and consequences of their actions.

It is too easily abused to deny due process and equal justice as well as other Constitutional rights.

Your thoughtful posts are refreshing. Thank you. I want to give the time it deserves and will get back to you. You do raise some interesting ideas.

I can relate a bit. My wife was pregnant when I met her. It was through a forceful act with a violent man she was dating. After we married, I adopted my son and 20 years later he has turned out to be a remarkable man.
 
Blah blah blah. I'm not talking about charity. I'm talking about society. And your talk of me personally funding free health care, or paying students to go to college, is ludicrous. Also, your argument about pro-life is pretty far off the mark. No matter how those pro-life morons slice it, it is always going to be the better argument that it is the woman's body so it should be her choice. Another thing is that, like it or not, other countries make universal health care work. If Americans can't, it doesn't mean that there is something wrong with universal health care. It means that there is something wrong with America. Which there is. Many things.

If it's the woman's choices because it's her body, why are the rest of us forced to support what SHE chooses to have when she can't afford the choice SHE made? If she makes the choice, shouldn't she be the one to pay for that choice whatever the choice may be?

Conservative65 Maybe if we started holding the MEN accountable
for the costs they helped to create, we'd get an answer to your questions!

There is a legal system in place to address your concern. What else would you like?

Dear JBond the current legal system only works
after a crime is committed and doesn't guarantee equal legal resources or defense to all people
It isn't designed to address preventing abuses in advance from becoming civil or criminal violations.
That's why we don't have equal due process and protections in this county.

JBond for cases of rape and murder, only PREVENTING them from happening in the first
place would equally protect all citizens. Once your rights are violated you can't get them back;
it takes work to restore justice so you are already unequal to someone who didn't suffer violation.

That isn't equal justice.

We need to support systems of restorative justice that correct wrongs in ways
that DETER and PREVENT future and repeat occurrences.

Our legal system doesn't do this but obstructs it by rewarding taking the Fifth Amendment
and not holding people accountable for the costs and consequences of their actions.

It is too easily abused to deny due process and equal justice as well as other Constitutional rights.

Your thoughtful posts are refreshing. Thank you. I want to give the time it deserves and will get back to you. You do raise some interesting ideas.

I can relate a bit. My wife was pregnant when I met her. It was through a forceful act with a violent man she was dating. After we married, I adopted my son and 20 years later he has turned out to be a remarkable man.

You sound like a real Winner, and it's no wonder your son is like you. Hugs to you and your family JBond
If you would like to share your stories, my friend Juda has a website full of them
Home The mothers she helps on there go begging for more positive support.
You bring tears to my eyes, so glad to hear more stories like yours with happy turns and endings!

More power to you!
 
Thank you for the kind words. I've made many mistakes in my life, but that was not one of them.

It was her decision not to have an abortion that truly attracted me to her. She had more depth of character than any women I had ever meet.

It infuriates me when men refuse to behave as men.
 
Thank you for the kind words. I've made many mistakes in my life, but that was not one of them.

It was her decision not to have an abortion that truly attracted me to her. She had more depth of character than any women I had ever meet.

It infuriates me when men refuse to behave as men.
I can see why she married you!!
We need more men like you, before we lose the backbone this country was built on.

It is sad so many ppl don't have a personal role model or mentor to help them through the learning curve. This isn't going to be easy. Some ppl are starting at zero where Obama was the first person who got them looking at all into voting, govt and political process. My coworkers didn't even know the difference between state and federal that is all the same govt to them. Just other ppl in charge you have no control over. (I nearly lost it, giving them a civics lesson in the middle of work that turned into a group discussion!)

From seeing the different class levels and stages people are in development, that's why I believe our best hope is organizing ppl by party and which affiliation represents them in negotiating systems of education and training, services, supply and demand. We can get there faster by working together on teams and departments. Similar to academic campuses. So why not pull together the visionary solutions and reform proposals of all the parties and work out a comprehensive Plan that creates jobs and leadership training on all levels for ppl to access.

We can do this. And I think it is legally necessary if we are going to live up to our proclaimed laws of equal representation and protection of the laws. People are not equal in knowledge and ability to defend our rights and interests, so we must set up systems that assist us in mediating conflicts and offering equal respect and inclusion no matter how far behind or ahead of the curve we are. Instead of punishing ppl who have more resources by taxing them more, why not give tax breaks for freely investing lending or donating to help others learn to become independent, such as mentoring people building schools or clinics to serve the public. So much we can do with our resources and labor if we collaborate instead of compete by bullying and dominance. That approach has its place with defense public safety and security, but internally we don't need to become like the cancer patient whose immune system is attacking itself from the inside. We can do better than this.

If you've raised a young man, you may know the difference between the person rebelling against authority to learn their limits and why certain rules are in place. the adult taking responsibility and learning by reason and choice vs the child who has to be spanked and obey blindly until they are able to understand and comply by choice. This is what America is facing right now. We have become the parents and we're in charge of making the household work when it is filled with family members of different ages and stages. Of course we need to organize!

Thanks for being here, JBond
It's going to be the regular working folks, caught in the middle of these diverse generations that are going to lead from the center. It's on us.
 
Dear krypto OK so if the benefits are going to pay off,
are you willing to fund this yourself if you believe it so much?
I give donations to Doctors without Borders because their
cost effectiveness ensures the most people will benefit.

There's nothing wrong with CHOOSING to give charity.

But krypto if you are going to MANDATE charity,
who has the right to DICTATE WHICH CHARITIES
to give to? Why isn't this left to people to decide
to give to Harvard medical school to expand public health internships
and outreach. Or give to UTMB in Galveston.

If this is mandated through govt isn't that dangerous?
What if rightwing could get in control and MANDATE
that our taxes go to PROLIFE groups and anyone
who wants to give to PROCHOICE options, too bad,
you still get FINED and your MONEY goes to the PROLIFE programs anyway.

krypto if you are going to have FEDERAL GOVT
dictate which health care groups to fund, who gets
to decide the rules and regulations.

I'm sorry you don't get this.
Someone you assume that once this power get
into the hands of govt then "magically the govt
will direct the money as you want in your mind"

Good luck with that krypto from experience
the ONLY way I know to ensure the money goes
where YOU think it should go is for YOU to direct
the money there YOURSELF. This is what
conservatives means by running social programs
through the PRIVATE sector where YOU control
the money and where it goes because it's your money you are responsible for.

krypto I will believe you when you try to set up a program
like Doctors without Borders, Pace Universal or AmeriCares.
Go ahead, see how much work it takes to manage health
care resources and services and get them from point A to point B.
You'll quickly find you don't want govt involved and interfering
with the operations it takes to run such a program effectively.

Remember krypto when you run a program as a private
individual or organization, you can make all the decisions yourself.
When you RUN THINGS THROUGH FEDERAL GOVT
that means you have to vote and pass things that represent
ALL OTHER PEOPLE AND STATES represented by GOVT.

So all the people you are arguing with HERE
they would have to AGREE where and how to fund
which policy or program to make it work and represent everyone.

If you want to run things YOUR way, then you do it privately.
You fund and manage it yourself, through your own organization,
and then you retain full freedom to decide how to do it.

I think you and other liberals have gotten in the bad habit of
expecting to run things through govt and think it will come out
how YOU want it. But YOU aren't the entire nation paying it
and owed equal representation for anytihng passed and enforced by govt.

You seem to think that "once the money is in the hands of govt
you have the right to spend it any way you see fit"

WHY do you think you have the right to bypass the consent
of other taxpayers who are paying in also?

WHY do you think your idea is so much better you can
impose and dictate on everyone else?

I'd really like to know why and where you get this idea.
If any other group took public tax dollars and voted to give it
some charity you didn't agree to fund, you'd yell too.
Why can't you see that people deserve equal freedom
to make that choice where to fund social programs that not everyone agrees on?

Where's the inclusion of diversity?
Where does this come from that you think you can dictate for the rest of the nation?

Blah blah blah. I'm not talking about charity. I'm talking about society. And your talk of me personally funding free health care, or paying students to go to college, is ludicrous. Also, your argument about pro-life is pretty far off the mark. No matter how those pro-life morons slice it, it is always going to be the better argument that it is the woman's body so it should be her choice. Another thing is that, like it or not, other countries make universal health care work. If Americans can't, it doesn't mean that there is something wrong with universal health care. It means that there is something wrong with America. Which there is. Many things.

If it's the woman's choices because it's her body, why are the rest of us forced to support what SHE chooses to have when she can't afford the choice SHE made? If she makes the choice, shouldn't she be the one to pay for that choice whatever the choice may be?

Conservative65 Maybe if we started holding the MEN accountable
for the costs they helped to create, we'd get an answer to your questions!

I'm all for the sperm donor baby daddy doing just that. I'm also in favor that when/if he doesn't, the rest of us by default aren't held financially responsible for a choice we were told was none of our business. If a woman wants to have a dozen kids, that's her choice. I'm willing to let her do so. However, when she can't afford her choice and can't get the one(s) for whom she spread her legs to fund them, don't come looking to me as a money source.

I address those who say what a woman does with her body is none of my or the government's business. My problem is when the one telling me and the government to butt out of her choice comes looking for help and wants that same government she told to butt out to force those people she told to butt out to pay for it. I don't really give a shit if the sperm donor baby daddy helps her or not as long as the rest of us aren't forced to fund a choice we were told was none of our business.

Yep Conservative65 That's why I think we're heading toward
separating parties from govt as political religions or beliefs.

If parties are recognized as having similar status and treatment as religious organizations funding their own agenda, we can argue we don't agree with those beliefs, that should be kept private and outside govt.

What do you say, mate?

I mentioned nothing about religious beliefs and government. I simply stated that if a woman gets the sole choice with her body, she gets the sole cost of that choice.

I have found that those on the side supporting "choice" and claiming religious beliefs are for a separation between government and religion until using their religion alongside government action fits within their mindset. It's been over a year since I had a conversation with one of them. He claimed to be a Liberal Christian. He supported choice when it came to abortion and same sex marriage. He said that religious beliefs shouldn't have anything to do with someone's belief about how the government should run. When I asked him whether or not he supported government mandated social welfare programs, something for which I already knew the answer, he said "yes". When I asked him why, his response was because "it's the Christian thing to do".
 
Oh. You mean what you "earned" in the absence of any other single human on the planet? You're a joke. Next, moron, what is it you don't get. If medical coverage and college were free, "everybody" would benifit. In the documentary "Sicko," the people they talked to, the "working" ones, were horrified at the thought of doing without their free medical coverage. And you are horrified at the thought of it? How interesting. Also, I have something to suggest to you too. But I don't feel like getting banned.

Dear krypto OK so if the benefits are going to pay off,
are you willing to fund this yourself if you believe it so much?
I give donations to Doctors without Borders because their
cost effectiveness ensures the most people will benefit.

There's nothing wrong with CHOOSING to give charity.

But krypto if you are going to MANDATE charity,
who has the right to DICTATE WHICH CHARITIES
to give to? Why isn't this left to people to decide
to give to Harvard medical school to expand public health internships
and outreach. Or give to UTMB in Galveston.

If this is mandated through govt isn't that dangerous?
What if rightwing could get in control and MANDATE
that our taxes go to PROLIFE groups and anyone
who wants to give to PROCHOICE options, too bad,
you still get FINED and your MONEY goes to the PROLIFE programs anyway.

krypto if you are going to have FEDERAL GOVT
dictate which health care groups to fund, who gets
to decide the rules and regulations.

I'm sorry you don't get this.
Someone you assume that once this power get
into the hands of govt then "magically the govt
will direct the money as you want in your mind"

Good luck with that krypto from experience
the ONLY way I know to ensure the money goes
where YOU think it should go is for YOU to direct
the money there YOURSELF. This is what
conservatives means by running social programs
through the PRIVATE sector where YOU control
the money and where it goes because it's your money you are responsible for.

krypto I will believe you when you try to set up a program
like Doctors without Borders, Pace Universal or AmeriCares.
Go ahead, see how much work it takes to manage health
care resources and services and get them from point A to point B.
You'll quickly find you don't want govt involved and interfering
with the operations it takes to run such a program effectively.

Remember krypto when you run a program as a private
individual or organization, you can make all the decisions yourself.
When you RUN THINGS THROUGH FEDERAL GOVT
that means you have to vote and pass things that represent
ALL OTHER PEOPLE AND STATES represented by GOVT.

So all the people you are arguing with HERE
they would have to AGREE where and how to fund
which policy or program to make it work and represent everyone.

If you want to run things YOUR way, then you do it privately.
You fund and manage it yourself, through your own organization,
and then you retain full freedom to decide how to do it.

I think you and other liberals have gotten in the bad habit of
expecting to run things through govt and think it will come out
how YOU want it. But YOU aren't the entire nation paying it
and owed equal representation for anytihng passed and enforced by govt.

You seem to think that "once the money is in the hands of govt
you have the right to spend it any way you see fit"

WHY do you think you have the right to bypass the consent
of other taxpayers who are paying in also?

WHY do you think your idea is so much better you can
impose and dictate on everyone else?

I'd really like to know why and where you get this idea.
If any other group took public tax dollars and voted to give it
some charity you didn't agree to fund, you'd yell too.
Why can't you see that people deserve equal freedom
to make that choice where to fund social programs that not everyone agrees on?

Where's the inclusion of diversity?
Where does this come from that you think you can dictate for the rest of the nation?

Blah blah blah. I'm not talking about charity. I'm talking about society. And your talk of me personally funding free health care, or paying students to go to college, is ludicrous. Also, your argument about pro-life is pretty far off the mark. No matter how those pro-life morons slice it, it is always going to be the better argument that it is the woman's body so it should be her choice. Another thing is that, like it or not, other countries make universal health care work. If Americans can't, it doesn't mean that there is something wrong with universal health care. It means that there is something wrong with America. Which there is. Many things.

If it's the woman's choices because it's her body, why are the rest of us forced to support what SHE chooses to have when she can't afford the choice SHE made? If she makes the choice, shouldn't she be the one to pay for that choice whatever the choice may be?

Conservative65 Maybe if we started holding the MEN accountable
for the costs they helped to create, we'd get an answer to your questions!

There is a legal system in place to address your concern. What else would you like?

Nobody follows it.

A kid knocks up his girlfriend. She keeps the kid. Does the state go after him to ensure he's paying child support ?

No.

He's off to the next idiot who'll sleep with him.
 
Dear krypto OK so if the benefits are going to pay off,
are you willing to fund this yourself if you believe it so much?
I give donations to Doctors without Borders because their
cost effectiveness ensures the most people will benefit.

There's nothing wrong with CHOOSING to give charity.

But krypto if you are going to MANDATE charity,
who has the right to DICTATE WHICH CHARITIES
to give to? Why isn't this left to people to decide
to give to Harvard medical school to expand public health internships
and outreach. Or give to UTMB in Galveston.

If this is mandated through govt isn't that dangerous?
What if rightwing could get in control and MANDATE
that our taxes go to PROLIFE groups and anyone
who wants to give to PROCHOICE options, too bad,
you still get FINED and your MONEY goes to the PROLIFE programs anyway.

krypto if you are going to have FEDERAL GOVT
dictate which health care groups to fund, who gets
to decide the rules and regulations.

I'm sorry you don't get this.
Someone you assume that once this power get
into the hands of govt then "magically the govt
will direct the money as you want in your mind"

Good luck with that krypto from experience
the ONLY way I know to ensure the money goes
where YOU think it should go is for YOU to direct
the money there YOURSELF. This is what
conservatives means by running social programs
through the PRIVATE sector where YOU control
the money and where it goes because it's your money you are responsible for.

krypto I will believe you when you try to set up a program
like Doctors without Borders, Pace Universal or AmeriCares.
Go ahead, see how much work it takes to manage health
care resources and services and get them from point A to point B.
You'll quickly find you don't want govt involved and interfering
with the operations it takes to run such a program effectively.

Remember krypto when you run a program as a private
individual or organization, you can make all the decisions yourself.
When you RUN THINGS THROUGH FEDERAL GOVT
that means you have to vote and pass things that represent
ALL OTHER PEOPLE AND STATES represented by GOVT.

So all the people you are arguing with HERE
they would have to AGREE where and how to fund
which policy or program to make it work and represent everyone.

If you want to run things YOUR way, then you do it privately.
You fund and manage it yourself, through your own organization,
and then you retain full freedom to decide how to do it.

I think you and other liberals have gotten in the bad habit of
expecting to run things through govt and think it will come out
how YOU want it. But YOU aren't the entire nation paying it
and owed equal representation for anytihng passed and enforced by govt.

You seem to think that "once the money is in the hands of govt
you have the right to spend it any way you see fit"

WHY do you think you have the right to bypass the consent
of other taxpayers who are paying in also?

WHY do you think your idea is so much better you can
impose and dictate on everyone else?

I'd really like to know why and where you get this idea.
If any other group took public tax dollars and voted to give it
some charity you didn't agree to fund, you'd yell too.
Why can't you see that people deserve equal freedom
to make that choice where to fund social programs that not everyone agrees on?

Where's the inclusion of diversity?
Where does this come from that you think you can dictate for the rest of the nation?

Blah blah blah. I'm not talking about charity. I'm talking about society. And your talk of me personally funding free health care, or paying students to go to college, is ludicrous. Also, your argument about pro-life is pretty far off the mark. No matter how those pro-life morons slice it, it is always going to be the better argument that it is the woman's body so it should be her choice. Another thing is that, like it or not, other countries make universal health care work. If Americans can't, it doesn't mean that there is something wrong with universal health care. It means that there is something wrong with America. Which there is. Many things.

If it's the woman's choices because it's her body, why are the rest of us forced to support what SHE chooses to have when she can't afford the choice SHE made? If she makes the choice, shouldn't she be the one to pay for that choice whatever the choice may be?

Conservative65 Maybe if we started holding the MEN accountable
for the costs they helped to create, we'd get an answer to your questions!

There is a legal system in place to address your concern. What else would you like?

Nobody follows it.

A kid knocks up his girlfriend. She keeps the kid. Does the state go after him to ensure he's paying child support ?

No.

He's off to the next idiot who'll sleep with him.

It all sounds good to say hold the sperm donor accountable. You and I both know it's those of us told to butt out of her choice being forced to do so.
 
Blah blah blah. I'm not talking about charity. I'm talking about society. And your talk of me personally funding free health care, or paying students to go to college, is ludicrous. Also, your argument about pro-life is pretty far off the mark. No matter how those pro-life morons slice it, it is always going to be the better argument that it is the woman's body so it should be her choice. Another thing is that, like it or not, other countries make universal health care work. If Americans can't, it doesn't mean that there is something wrong with universal health care. It means that there is something wrong with America. Which there is. Many things.

If it's the woman's choices because it's her body, why are the rest of us forced to support what SHE chooses to have when she can't afford the choice SHE made? If she makes the choice, shouldn't she be the one to pay for that choice whatever the choice may be?

Conservative65 Maybe if we started holding the MEN accountable
for the costs they helped to create, we'd get an answer to your questions!

There is a legal system in place to address your concern. What else would you like?

Nobody follows it.

A kid knocks up his girlfriend. She keeps the kid. Does the state go after him to ensure he's paying child support ?

No.

He's off to the next idiot who'll sleep with him.

It all sounds good to say hold the sperm donor accountable. You and I both know it's those of us told to butt out of her choice being forced to do so.

She won't give him up.....?

No state assistance.
 
If it's the woman's choices because it's her body, why are the rest of us forced to support what SHE chooses to have when she can't afford the choice SHE made? If she makes the choice, shouldn't she be the one to pay for that choice whatever the choice may be?

Conservative65 Maybe if we started holding the MEN accountable
for the costs they helped to create, we'd get an answer to your questions!

There is a legal system in place to address your concern. What else would you like?

Nobody follows it.

A kid knocks up his girlfriend. She keeps the kid. Does the state go after him to ensure he's paying child support ?

No.

He's off to the next idiot who'll sleep with him.

It all sounds good to say hold the sperm donor accountable. You and I both know it's those of us told to butt out of her choice being forced to do so.

She won't give him up.....?

No state assistance.

I'm not the sperm donor means no assistance from me unless I make the voluntary choice to do so.

I agree. She chooses to keep, either she pays, gets the sperm donor to pay, or not my problem.
 
Somebody around here probably already did a thread like this. And there was that documentary done about it called "Sicko." But I got quite a few objections out of people with my thread, "College should be free. (for Americans)" I wonder what they will have to say about me saying that health care should be free too. And the worse that may be for insurance companies, the better I like it!

Let's again drag up this sorry post and bury it again.

The worse for insurance companies ? What a moron.
 

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