Discussion in 'Healthcare/Insurance/Govt Healthcare' started by Oddball, Dec 22, 2009.
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Sorry...Obama put the Kabash on that idea last week.
Nope...this is about controlling our lives...not providing health care to those who don't have any.
You know DeMint has uncovered language in the bill that prohibits future congress' from altering the Medicare "death panels"
Also unconstitutional as hell.
But I'm pretty much over any expectation that demopublicraticans give a hoot in hell about anything so trivial as restraint within constitutional bounds.
The current healthcare bill doesn't do enough, but it does have some good in it. Hopefully us Democrats will be able to improve on it in the upcoming year, while we have the 60 votes. Hopefully we gain seats next year so guys like Lieberman become irrelivent.
We need Medicare for all. Single Payer. Public Option. The same shit our grandparents have, we should be able to purchase. Its the only thing that will lower the prices of Blue Cross & HAP and the others.
If it weren't for Republicans and Blue Dogs like Lieberman, the Healthcare bill would be good. But its just a pay off to the insurance giants. They'll make even more money with this bill. But its better than what Bush or McCain or Romney would do, which is NOTHING.
So you right wingers should be happy. Corporations win again. Capitalism as you call it wins! They don't produce jack shit by the way. Insurance company CEO's are just skimming your money. That's all they do. And you defend them ripping you and your company off. You don't even realize how much your insurance costs. Sucker.
You don't even know what's in the bill, you boob.
In fact, one of its main provisions requires people to purchase the product of those eeeeevil corporate insurers you detest so much....Schmuck.
Problem with Democrat bills is there's so much crap in them that it cancels out any good they do.
Yes....we need another bankrupt program to cover the rest of us.
Blame it on the Repugs. Seriously....they have zero say in what's in the thing. Zilch. The damned thing isn't even law and the friggen excuses are already beginning
Im sure none of you will ever use the preexsisting condition ban or the coverage until age 26 for your kids medical care.
You will refuse it on principle huh?
This should be in the conspiracy section. The right always thinks "government" wants to "take over". That there is this big, giant "government" that wants to pounce on their lives and make them slaves.
The truth is, "Nobody cares about them". And that is ALSO the problem.
Health care reform should be about ALL the American people, one, getting coverage, and two, not getting fleeced. That's it. That is the entire problem and solution.
The REAL problems:
1. The insurance companies have way too many lobbyists.
2. The bill is way to slanted towards the insurance companies (just the fact that their stock went UP demonstrates that)
3. Republicans pulled every dirty trick in the book to stop any kind of reform, not because they think health care reform is bad, but becuase they hate this president and will gladly sacrifice the country to bring him down.
4. Worst of all, the Democratic Senator from Nebraska started something. For his vote, Nebraska gets free Medicaid - FOREVER. (that is probably not constitutional. I'm suprised no one is talking about it. States can't be favored that way) This is corruption, plain and simple.
This comes from people that are desparate to pass something that in the future can be built upon. No help from Republicans. Could you imagine the bill if they actually supported reform? The next time Republicans get a majority, it will probably be repealed and whatever they put into place will really screw us royally. Even worse than what they did making two wars, bankrupting the economy and leaving us with the Katrina aftermath. But hey, they stopped gay marriage, mostly - and that affects us all, right?
Given the choice between commercial health insurance and a government program, I think most people would opt for the public program. That's the main sticking point. The politicians know it. If there were a true and open public option, people would vote with their premiums. Attrition of the commercial health insurance companies would happen quickly.
The way it is now, commercial insurance is tied to employment. This translates into a "company store" arrangement for the big corps and the insurance companies and of course, our rotten Congress.
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