Health Care Lies Busted

[rdean]

30 days of restasis in the us costs around 424.85 cents with insurance.....i can get 90 days worth from canada for under 400 bucks...why one might ask? cause canada forces pharms to bargain with the government on prices...unlike the us where they are allowed to price gouge with no consequences

I wish I could remember the guest, but one day on Morning Joe (I channel surf) recently, he stated that negotiating drug prices is off the books because Congress baked it into some law. Absolutely no price negotiations.
Who ARE those 535 people working for??

That's not exactly how it works and it happened under George W. Bush. Remember, Republicans were able to use reconciliation three times. You can only use it when you have majorities in both houses.

So what the Republicans did was make bundling illegal, but only for this country. Other countries can bundle. Provinces in Canada can bundle. Health care systems from Japan can bundle.

What bundling is, is buying in bulk. So if it were allowed in this country, if it were allowed, which it isn't, a bunch of states could get together and buy pennicilian in bulk based on what they used the year before.

Buying in bulk allows you to pay very little per pill. Just the same for any other production company. For the more expensive medicines, the cost savings can be enormous. But Republicans made that illegal. An HMO, for instance, can only buy what it uses. That passes on enormous cost. But the company that makes the product reaps a huge, huge profit.

I know a guy from India who mailed off to India to buy his father's medicine because it was like 1/50th the cost of buying it here. But it was made here. So it's made here, sent to India and then sent back here.

So right away, Republicans on the USMB will cry "prove it, provide a link". Well, I did. Back when Bush was president. And Republicans on the USMB defended the practice insisting drug companies have a right to make a profit. So if you Republicans want to find out more about it, go look it up. I ain't doing shit. I only explained how it works. Like I did when Bush was president.

That's why Republicans are just sickening to me. They have incredibly short memories when it's convienient. And you constantly have to prove to them all the bullshit their party does. You can grind their nose in it and still they will refuse to see it.

 

[rdean]

No myths busted on this thread.

Obamacare exchanges see 25% increase (plans).

Some do. Indiana will see a 3% decrease.

That only means that someone else is seeing a HUGE increase.

Well yea, of course. Why do you think Republicans were blocking Obamacare in their states? They knew what would happen. Remember, Kasish took a lot of heat for excepting Obamacare. And the cost in his state is going down 3%.

Remember in Kentucky they called it Kenect. The people of Kentucky loved it. They said they were glad they didn't have that awful Obamacare. Ah, a rose by any other name...........

5 Years Later: How the ACA is Working for Kentucky

I love it when the Republican leadership screws over their base balls deep and then the base is shocked and surprised they were screwed over. It must be Obama. Which, of course, doesn't explain why it works well in some places and doesn't work in others. And it's odd that it's mostly Red States where it "fails". Curious.

 

[keepitreal]

This thread I like...

I just want to share some personal experiences,
in relation to, some of the comments that were posted.

medical industry corporate gangsters
who are responsible for the medical fraud and price gouging.

I had excellent medical benefits with bc/bs, under my union contract.
About a yr or 2 after my 3rd son was born, around '97-'98,
I began to look into a corrective procedure I wanted done.

The place I chose would cost me, $350 if I paid cash,
$450 if I used a credit card or personal check, or I could pay $200,
which was my deductible, that hadn't been satisfied that year,
and submit a claim to my insurance for the remainder of the bill.

Cool, that's what I'll do...
take care of my yearly deductible
and let them pick up the rest.

Well, about a month later
I received a claim form from the benefit department,
detailing the claim that was submitted for payment....

These mother f*ckers billed my insurance
$1500 - the $200 I had paid up front....I'm like whaaaat?!

I immediately called the benefits department
and told the lady there must be a mistake.
Informing her that the procedure, at the very least,
should have been $350, no more then $450.

"Honey, when you use your insurance,
they submit a bill for the amount equal to
the maximum amount we will cover."

I told her I wanted to dispute the bill, not to submit payment!
She laughed..."I agree with you but, that's not how this works.
Just get that paperwork signed so when can close this claim."

Is it any wonder why insurance IS so expensive

Kudos on your thread Mrfritz!
A subject we can both agree upon

 

[MrFritz]

This thread I like...

I just want to share some personal experiences,
in relation to, some of the comments that were posted.

medical industry corporate gangsters
who are responsible for the medical fraud and price gouging.

I had excellent medical benefits with bc/bs, under my union contract.
About a yr or 2 after my 3rd son was born, around '97-'98,
I began to look into a corrective procedure I wanted done.

The place I chose would cost me, $350 if I paid cash,
$450 if I used a credit card or personal check, or I could pay $200,
which was my deductible, that hadn't been satisfied that year,
and submit a claim to my insurance for the remainder of the bill.

Cool, that's what I'll do...
take care of my yearly deductible
and let them pick up the rest.

Well, about a month later
I received a claim form from the benefit department,
detailing the claim that was submitted for payment....

These mother f*ckers billed my insurance
$1500 - the $200 I had paid up front....I'm like whaaaat?!

I immediately called the benefits department
and told the lady there must be a mistake.
Informing her that the procedure, at the very least,
should have been $350, no more then $450.

"Honey, when you use your insurance,
they submit a bill for the amount equal to
the maximum amount we will cover."

I told her I wanted to dispute the bill, not to submit payment!
She laughed..."I agree with you but, that's not how this works.
Just get that paperwork signed so when can close this claim."

Is it any wonder why insurance IS so expensive

Kudos on your thread Mrfritz!
A subject we can both agree upon

I worked in collections. I was sales manager for a collections agency. This was some time ago. The bulk of our collections was medical and i learned a lot of dirty little secrets about hospitals and how they bill. Hospitals have always made money hand over fist but they still did sleazy stuff. A favorite was to send out bogus bills for piddly little stuff. They were not as bold back then. They would threaten to wreck folk's credit which is against the law. When they got called on it they would say, "Oops our mistake" Now nearly every phony bill is grand larceny.

As a Christian, I see the monetization of human suffering immoral. I would not begrudge doctors good pay and scientists good compensation but the corporatization of health care is not working for the patient. It seems the Hippocratic oath has no effect on these greedy creatures.

Currently, nearly 20% of the US GDP is the medical industry and a large part of it is fraud.

 

[rdean]

This thread I like...

I just want to share some personal experiences,
in relation to, some of the comments that were posted.

medical industry corporate gangsters
who are responsible for the medical fraud and price gouging.

I had excellent medical benefits with bc/bs, under my union contract.
About a yr or 2 after my 3rd son was born, around '97-'98,
I began to look into a corrective procedure I wanted done.

The place I chose would cost me, $350 if I paid cash,
$450 if I used a credit card or personal check, or I could pay $200,
which was my deductible, that hadn't been satisfied that year,
and submit a claim to my insurance for the remainder of the bill.

Cool, that's what I'll do...
take care of my yearly deductible
and let them pick up the rest.

Well, about a month later
I received a claim form from the benefit department,
detailing the claim that was submitted for payment....

These mother f*ckers billed my insurance
$1500 - the $200 I had paid up front....I'm like whaaaat?!

I immediately called the benefits department
and told the lady there must be a mistake.
Informing her that the procedure, at the very least,
should have been $350, no more then $450.

"Honey, when you use your insurance,
they submit a bill for the amount equal to
the maximum amount we will cover."

I told her I wanted to dispute the bill, not to submit payment!
She laughed..."I agree with you but, that's not how this works.
Just get that paperwork signed so when can close this claim."

Is it any wonder why insurance IS so expensive

Kudos on your thread Mrfritz!
A subject we can both agree upon

Glad it had nothing to do with Obamacare.

 

[rdean]

This thread I like...

I just want to share some personal experiences,
in relation to, some of the comments that were posted.

medical industry corporate gangsters
who are responsible for the medical fraud and price gouging.

I had excellent medical benefits with bc/bs, under my union contract.
About a yr or 2 after my 3rd son was born, around '97-'98,
I began to look into a corrective procedure I wanted done.

The place I chose would cost me, $350 if I paid cash,
$450 if I used a credit card or personal check, or I could pay $200,
which was my deductible, that hadn't been satisfied that year,
and submit a claim to my insurance for the remainder of the bill.

Cool, that's what I'll do...
take care of my yearly deductible
and let them pick up the rest.

Well, about a month later
I received a claim form from the benefit department,
detailing the claim that was submitted for payment....

These mother f*ckers billed my insurance
$1500 - the $200 I had paid up front....I'm like whaaaat?!

I immediately called the benefits department
and told the lady there must be a mistake.
Informing her that the procedure, at the very least,
should have been $350, no more then $450.

"Honey, when you use your insurance,
they submit a bill for the amount equal to
the maximum amount we will cover."

I told her I wanted to dispute the bill, not to submit payment!
She laughed..."I agree with you but, that's not how this works.
Just get that paperwork signed so when can close this claim."

Is it any wonder why insurance IS so expensive

Kudos on your thread Mrfritz!
A subject we can both agree upon

I worked in collections. I was sales manager for a collections agency. This was some time ago. The bulk of our collections was medical and i learned a lot of dirty little secrets about hospitals and how they bill. Hospitals have always made money hand over fist but they still did sleazy stuff. A favorite was to send out bogus bills for piddly little stuff. They were not as bold back then. They would threaten to wreck folk's credit which is against the law. When they got called on it they would say, "Oops our mistake" Now nearly every phony bill is grand larceny.

As a Christian, I see the monetization of human suffering immoral. I would not begrudge doctors good pay and scientists good compensation but the corporatization of health care is not working for the patient. It seems the Hippocratic oath has no effect on these greedy creatures.

Currently, nearly 20% of the US GDP is the medical industry and a large part of it is fraud.

Funny, the doctor I go to doctors. When I asked him about Medicare or billing, he told me to talk to the office. He says he pays them to handle that stuff. That he spends his time doctoring or learning to be a better doctor.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

No myths busted on this thread.

Obamacare exchanges see 25% increase (plans).

Some do. Indiana will see a 3% decrease.

That only means that someone else is seeing a HUGE increase.

Well yea, of course. Why do you think Republicans were blocking Obamacare in their states? They knew what would happen. Remember, Kasish took a lot of heat for excepting Obamacare. And the cost in his state is going down 3%.

Remember in Kentucky they called it Kenect. The people of Kentucky loved it. They said they were glad they didn't have that awful Obamacare. Ah, a rose by any other name...........

5 Years Later: How the ACA is Working for Kentucky

I love it when the Republican leadership screws over their base balls deep and then the base is shocked and surprised they were screwed over. It must be Obama. Which, of course, doesn't explain why it works well in some places and doesn't work in others. And it's odd that it's mostly Red States where it "fails". Curious.

Pick one state you stupid dork.....it's so you.

What about my home state where they signed up for Medicare and are still facing huge increases ?