Health Care Is A Right Not a Privilege!

[merrill]

Health Care Is A Right Not a Privilege!

Let's be clear. Our health care system is disintegrating. Today, 46 million people have no health insurance and even more are underinsured with high deductibles and co-payments. At a time when 60 million people, including many with insurance, do not have access to a medical home, more than 18,000 Americans die every year from preventable illnesses because they do not get to the doctor when they should. This is six times the number who died at the tragedy of 9/11 - but this occurs every year.

In the midst of this horrendous lack of coverage, the U.S. spends far more per capita on health care than any other nation - and health care costs continue to soar. At $2.4 trillion dollars, and 18 percent of our GDP, the skyrocketing cost of health care in this country is unsustainable both from a personal and macro-economic perspective.

Sen. Bernie Sanders: Health Care Is a Right, Not a Privilege

 

[Meister]

Health Care Is A Right Not a Privilege!

Let's be clear. Our health care system is disintegrating. Today, 46 million people have no health insurance and even more are underinsured with high deductibles and co-payments. At a time when 60 million people, including many with insurance, do not have access to a medical home, more than 18,000 Americans die every year from preventable illnesses because they do not get to the doctor when they should. This is six times the number who died at the tragedy of 9/11 - but this occurs every year.

In the midst of this horrendous lack of coverage, the U.S. spends far more per capita on health care than any other nation - and health care costs continue to soar. At $2.4 trillion dollars, and 18 percent of our GDP, the skyrocketing cost of health care in this country is unsustainable both from a personal and macro-economic perspective.

Sen. Bernie Sanders: Health Care Is a Right, Not a Privilege

I'm willing to guess that 46 million also includes the illegals that reside in this country.

 

[syrenn]

Health Care Is A Right Not a Privilege!

Let's be clear. Our health care system is disintegrating. Today, 46 million people have no health insurance and even more are underinsured with high deductibles and co-payments. At a time when 60 million people, including many with insurance, do not have access to a medical home, more than 18,000 Americans die every year from preventable illnesses because they do not get to the doctor when they should. This is six times the number who died at the tragedy of 9/11 - but this occurs every year.

In the midst of this horrendous lack of coverage, the U.S. spends far more per capita on health care than any other nation - and health care costs continue to soar. At $2.4 trillion dollars, and 18 percent of our GDP, the skyrocketing cost of health care in this country is unsustainable both from a personal and macro-economic perspective.

Sen. Bernie Sanders: Health Care Is a Right, Not a Privilege

Agreed, healthcare is a right.....that you can pay for if you want it.

 

[syrenn]

Health Care Is A Right Not a Privilege!

Let's be clear. Our health care system is disintegrating. Today, 46 million people have no health insurance and even more are underinsured with high deductibles and co-payments. At a time when 60 million people, including many with insurance, do not have access to a medical home, more than 18,000 Americans die every year from preventable illnesses because they do not get to the doctor when they should. This is six times the number who died at the tragedy of 9/11 - but this occurs every year.

In the midst of this horrendous lack of coverage, the U.S. spends far more per capita on health care than any other nation - and health care costs continue to soar. At $2.4 trillion dollars, and 18 percent of our GDP, the skyrocketing cost of health care in this country is unsustainable both from a personal and macro-economic perspective.

Sen. Bernie Sanders: Health Care Is a Right, Not a Privilege

I'm willing to guess that 46 million also includes the illegals that reside in this country.

I would be willing to lay down good money.... that says you are right.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Health Care Is A Right Not a Privilege!

Let's be clear. Our health care system is disintegrating. Today, 46 million people have no health insurance and even more are underinsured with high deductibles and co-payments. At a time when 60 million people, including many with insurance, do not have access to a medical home, more than 18,000 Americans die every year from preventable illnesses because they do not get to the doctor when they should. This is six times the number who died at the tragedy of 9/11 - but this occurs every year.

In the midst of this horrendous lack of coverage, the U.S. spends far more per capita on health care than any other nation - and health care costs continue to soar. At $2.4 trillion dollars, and 18 percent of our GDP, the skyrocketing cost of health care in this country is unsustainable both from a personal and macro-economic perspective.

Sen. Bernie Sanders: Health Care Is a Right, Not a Privilege

It is only a right in the sense that one can not be denied treatment it is NOT a right that the Federal Government can force us to buy insurance.

 

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[Leweman]

If being born isn't a right ... how is being taken care of a right?

 

[Cuyo]

Health Care Is A Right Not a Privilege!

Let's be clear. Our health care system is disintegrating. Today, 46 million people have no health insurance and even more are underinsured with high deductibles and co-payments. At a time when 60 million people, including many with insurance, do not have access to a medical home, more than 18,000 Americans die every year from preventable illnesses because they do not get to the doctor when they should. This is six times the number who died at the tragedy of 9/11 - but this occurs every year.

In the midst of this horrendous lack of coverage, the U.S. spends far more per capita on health care than any other nation - and health care costs continue to soar. At $2.4 trillion dollars, and 18 percent of our GDP, the skyrocketing cost of health care in this country is unsustainable both from a personal and macro-economic perspective.

Sen. Bernie Sanders: Health Care Is a Right, Not a Privilege

Agreed, healthcare is a right.....that you can pay for if you want it.

I just commented in another thread that I hate when the debate is framed as "Right v privelige," but let me play devils advocate here.

When Bill shatters his leg and doesn't have insurance and will die without care... Let him die?

 

[syrenn]

Health Care Is A Right Not a Privilege!

Let's be clear. Our health care system is disintegrating. Today, 46 million people have no health insurance and even more are underinsured with high deductibles and co-payments. At a time when 60 million people, including many with insurance, do not have access to a medical home, more than 18,000 Americans die every year from preventable illnesses because they do not get to the doctor when they should. This is six times the number who died at the tragedy of 9/11 - but this occurs every year.

In the midst of this horrendous lack of coverage, the U.S. spends far more per capita on health care than any other nation - and health care costs continue to soar. At $2.4 trillion dollars, and 18 percent of our GDP, the skyrocketing cost of health care in this country is unsustainable both from a personal and macro-economic perspective.

Sen. Bernie Sanders: Health Care Is a Right, Not a Privilege

Agreed, healthcare is a right.....that you can pay for if you want it.

I just commented in another thread that I hate when the debate is framed as "Right v privelige," but let me play devils advocate here.

When Bill shatters his leg and doesn't have insurance and will die without care... Let him die?

There is no emergency room that will deny service to urgent situations.

That being said.... emergency rooms need to refuse anything that is not an emergency.

 

[Cuyo]

Agreed, healthcare is a right.....that you can pay for if you want it.

I just commented in another thread that I hate when the debate is framed as "Right v privelige," but let me play devils advocate here.

When Bill shatters his leg and doesn't have insurance and will die without care... Let him die?

There is no emergency room that will deny service to urgent situations.

That being said.... emergency rooms need to refuse anything that is not an emergency.

I know that's the way it is now, and it's a big part of why it's so broken. Everyone loves to exercise that Truine brain and shout about how everyone should have to pay, but nobody's willing to let Bill die if he can't pay.

I think a mandate for most is a pretty damn good common ground... But at least partially because I'm not hearing a lot of alternatives from those who so hate the concept.

 

[PredFan]

Health Care Is A Right Not a Privilege!

Let's be clear. Our health care system is disintegrating. Today, 46 million people have no health insurance and even more are underinsured with high deductibles and co-payments. At a time when 60 million people, including many with insurance, do not have access to a medical home, more than 18,000 Americans die every year from preventable illnesses because they do not get to the doctor when they should. This is six times the number who died at the tragedy of 9/11 - but this occurs every year.

In the midst of this horrendous lack of coverage, the U.S. spends far more per capita on health care than any other nation - and health care costs continue to soar. At $2.4 trillion dollars, and 18 percent of our GDP, the skyrocketing cost of health care in this country is unsustainable both from a personal and macro-economic perspective.

Sen. Bernie Sanders: Health Care Is a Right, Not a Privilege

The title of the piece is about helathcare being a right but the piece itself does nothing to prove that. It talks about how "bad" things are but that doesn't equal a right.

Healthcare is not a right. Spomeone has to provide that service, that person has spent a portion of his or her life getting the knowledge to provide that service. What you have tyhe nerve to claim is that you have a right to a portion of my life. You don't.

 

[PredFan]

Health Care Is A Right Not a Privilege!

Let's be clear. Our health care system is disintegrating. Today, 46 million people have no health insurance and even more are underinsured with high deductibles and co-payments. At a time when 60 million people, including many with insurance, do not have access to a medical home, more than 18,000 Americans die every year from preventable illnesses because they do not get to the doctor when they should. This is six times the number who died at the tragedy of 9/11 - but this occurs every year.

In the midst of this horrendous lack of coverage, the U.S. spends far more per capita on health care than any other nation - and health care costs continue to soar. At $2.4 trillion dollars, and 18 percent of our GDP, the skyrocketing cost of health care in this country is unsustainable both from a personal and macro-economic perspective.

Sen. Bernie Sanders: Health Care Is a Right, Not a Privilege

Agreed, healthcare is a right.....that you can pay for if you want it.

I just commented in another thread that I hate when the debate is framed as "Right v privelige," but let me play devils advocate here.

When Bill shatters his leg and doesn't have insurance and will die without care... Let him die?

Wghen Bill shatters his leg, he goes to the ER. Then he is admitted into the hospital. If he can't pay, the hospital eats the cost. Bill is never thrown out on his ass.

 

[Cuyo]

Agreed, healthcare is a right.....that you can pay for if you want it.

I just commented in another thread that I hate when the debate is framed as "Right v privelige," but let me play devils advocate here.

When Bill shatters his leg and doesn't have insurance and will die without care... Let him die?

Wghen Bill shatters his leg, he goes to the ER. Then he is admitted into the hospital. If he can't pay, the hospital eats the cost. Bill is never thrown out on his ass.

As I stated two posts up, yes, that's the way it is, and that's the problem...

 

[syrenn]

I just commented in another thread that I hate when the debate is framed as "Right v privelige," but let me play devils advocate here.

When Bill shatters his leg and doesn't have insurance and will die without care... Let him die?

There is no emergency room that will deny service to urgent situations.

That being said.... emergency rooms need to refuse anything that is not an emergency.

I know that's the way it is now, and it's a big part of why it's so broken. Everyone loves to exercise that Truine brain and shout about how everyone should have to pay, but nobody's willing to let Bill die if he can't pay.

I think a mandate for most is a pretty damn good common ground... But at least partially because I'm not hearing a lot of alternatives from those who so hate the concept.

I hate to tell you..... i have no issues ,zero, none......with letting people die.

 

[Cuyo]

There is no emergency room that will deny service to urgent situations.

That being said.... emergency rooms need to refuse anything that is not an emergency.

I know that's the way it is now, and it's a big part of why it's so broken. Everyone loves to exercise that Truine brain and shout about how everyone should have to pay, but nobody's willing to let Bill die if he can't pay.

I think a mandate for most is a pretty damn good common ground... But at least partially because I'm not hearing a lot of alternatives from those who so hate the concept.

I hate to tell you..... i have no issues ,zero, none......with letting people die.

Hell, at least you're principled. But I think you'll find you're in a minority even among your own.

All I hear is a lot of wanting healthcare costs to go down, without denying vital services, and without government intervention. It's like saying "I want you to cut my grass, but only if you also give me a handjob."

While I don't agree with your position, at least it makes sense.

 

[mskafka]

Agreed, healthcare is a right.....that you can pay for if you want it.

I just commented in another thread that I hate when the debate is framed as "Right v privelige," but let me play devils advocate here.

When Bill shatters his leg and doesn't have insurance and will die without care... Let him die?

There is no emergency room that will deny service to urgent situations.

That being said.... emergency rooms need to refuse anything that is not an emergency.

The only problem with that, is that it's difficult to tell, just by looking at someone, whether or not they are an emergent patient. That being said, some have figured out the system. They know the magic words: "chest pain, breathing difficulty, etc..", and know how to get back to see a doctor. Even if all they want is their lortabs refilled.

 

[mskafka]

I have had patients start off as "injury from a fall" and after being placed on a long spine board with a history of congestive heart failure (had a very strict medical director who wanted EVERY trauma boarded) who eventually ended up with flash pulmonary edema, and intubated. (breathing tube placed in trachea, and ventilated with a ventilator.)

She started with a little back pain, and ended up in ICU. You just never know. The elderly are VERY unpredictable.

 

[Stephanie]

Health Care Is A Right Not a Privilege!

Let's be clear. Our health care system is disintegrating. Today, 46 million people have no health insurance and even more are underinsured with high deductibles and co-payments. At a time when 60 million people, including many with insurance, do not have access to a medical home, more than 18,000 Americans die every year from preventable illnesses because they do not get to the doctor when they should. This is six times the number who died at the tragedy of 9/11 - but this occurs every year.

In the midst of this horrendous lack of coverage, the U.S. spends far more per capita on health care than any other nation - and health care costs continue to soar. At $2.4 trillion dollars, and 18 percent of our GDP, the skyrocketing cost of health care in this country is unsustainable both from a personal and macro-economic perspective.

Sen. Bernie Sanders: Health Care Is a Right, Not a Privilege

well then, I think it only RIGHT I ask you to pay for my health care...

 

[syrenn]

I know that's the way it is now, and it's a big part of why it's so broken. Everyone loves to exercise that Truine brain and shout about how everyone should have to pay, but nobody's willing to let Bill die if he can't pay.

I think a mandate for most is a pretty damn good common ground... But at least partially because I'm not hearing a lot of alternatives from those who so hate the concept.

I hate to tell you..... i have no issues ,zero, none......with letting people die.

Hell, at least you're principled. But I think you'll find you're in a minority even among your own.

All I hear is a lot of wanting healthcare costs to go down, without denying vital services, and without government intervention. It's like saying "I want you to cut my grass, but only if you also give me a handjob."

While I don't agree with your position, at least it makes sense.

I know i am in the minority.....i am also realistic and truthful.

I really don't give a shit if your baby is not going to live another extra year without the 10 million dollar surgery. Say good by now instead of later and don't waste the money.

I really don't care if your 99 year old mother needs a heart transplant.... she wont live much longer anyway. Say good by now and not later. Don't waste the money OR organ.

I don't care if you cant get your dick up and you WANT Viagra... tough shit... you wont die not having sex.

I could care less if you want a sex change.... you wont die without one.

You got shot gang banging...though. I don't care if you bleed out on a gurney.... you can wait till everyone else in the ER is taken care of.

The only way to make universal health care work is to put limits on what services you CAN have.


So ...back to broken leg man.... ya patch him up. You put a plaster cast on him... not a high tech fiberglass one. I don't care if you want rehab or psychical therapy...if you want it pay for it. I don't care if turns out is ugly... if you want a plastic surgeon to fix you... pay for it.

 

[zzzz]

I hate to tell you..... i have no issues ,zero, none......with letting people die.

Hell, at least you're principled. But I think you'll find you're in a minority even among your own.

All I hear is a lot of wanting healthcare costs to go down, without denying vital services, and without government intervention. It's like saying "I want you to cut my grass, but only if you also give me a handjob."

While I don't agree with your position, at least it makes sense.

I know i am in the minority.....i am also realistic and truthful.

I really don't give a shit if your baby is not going to live another extra year without the 10 million dollar surgery. Say good by now instead of later and don't waste the money.

I really don't care if your 99 year old mother needs a heart transplant.... she wont live much longer anyway. Say good by now and not later. Don't waste the money OR organ.

I don't care if you cant get your dick up and you WANT Viagra... tough shit... you wont die not having sex.

I could care less if you want a sex change.... you wont die without one.

You got shot gang banging...though. I don't care if you bleed out on a gurney.... you can wait till everyone else in the ER is taken care of.

The only way to make universal health care work is to put limits on what services you CAN have.


So ...back to broken leg man.... ya patch him up. You put a plaster cast on him... not a high tech fiberglass one. I don't care if you want rehab or psychical therapy...if you want it pay for it. I don't care if turns out is ugly... if you want a plastic surgeon to fix you... pay for it.

So if you suddenly find yourself out of job because of some Chinese takeover, have your health coverage discontinued and you get acute appendicitis, you deserve to die because you have no insurance? That is essentially what you are saying. Not all the people without insurance are at fault. Some do milk the system but a lot of people have no recourse.

The healthcare industry is a for profit industry and to that end each level tries to maximize that profit. The doctor, the pharmacists, the hospitals, the nursing homes, the equipment suppliers, the drug companies and all the middle men. That is the way it is set up. It is not set up to provide affordable care but to make a profit and as much as they can.