Health Care Hearings Fall-Out: GOP Now Publically Anti-Health Care Rights!

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    After laughing through the GOP Presidential Road Show "Debates:" Then anyone noticed that MittCare was as widely opposed as ObamaCare. Republicans have it in for payments made to health care professionals.

    And so now a Los Angeles Times contributor has succinctly summarized how the GOP will go into the national elections. It will be the Party Opposed To Health Care Rights, Health Care Access, and Health Care payments to health care providers. The Republican Governors, filing the suit which was subject of the Supreme Court Hearings, have put the Republicans squarely on the side of "Privilege" in the matter of Health Care.

    GOP is holding the line of healthcare as a privilege, not a right - latimes.com

    Even MediCaid, which is not precisely coerced upon the states: Is opposed.

    Justice Kennedy famously remarked, on the third day, that affordable business health plan coverage, under the Act in question, actually assumed the viability of the Individual Mandate--and the lessening of premiums, through the Exchanges. The government contention was the the Act is actually a finance mechanism for health care in the United States. Justice Kennedy's analysis would be a likely outcome. The Conservative contention was that the Act was a coercion to purchase a service, or a product, rather than a compulsory participation in a pool, for example, of potential draftees.

    The government's contention of a finance plan shows that the Act has Constitutional Basis. IRS even demands payment in legal tender, the money of the United States. It does not accept payment in ounces of gold, even, in the matter of taxes. Sheep, cows, and pigs, are not accepted: Expecially if they are dead, and burning. The money units are legally required, instead.

    Gold is subject to valuations, just like health care premiums are subject to valuations. IRS wants the valuation medium, not any commodity instead. The only compulsion in the Affordable Health Care Act was the use of Legal Tender, the evaluation medium, channeled through the health plans. Unlike Gold, you cannot present a unit of "legal tender," and expect a completely paid for, legal service or health care service. Anyone can expect some service from an ounce of gold, subject to its value in legal tender units. The newer "currency" of the health plans with the Minimum Standards: Is actually about a finance plan, regardless of prevailing commodity values, or of service prices. Congress created a kind of giant voucher plan. It used a commonly understood mechanism, a "risk pool."

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    If HC is a right then why is Obamacare in the Commerce clause and a tax??

    Last I heard rights didn't have taxes attached to em.
     
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    Great!!!!!

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    All of which supposes that the health care bill was popular and desired by the public. Which isn't true.
     
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    Opening paragraph:

    Right out of the gate, the writer commmits a fallacy of the excluded middle.

    See Shell #3.
     
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    The President has the GOP
    RIGHT WHERE HE WANTS THEM!!!!


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    Another Trolling thread... Don't you guys get tired of it?
     
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    The Proposition is that the Republicans are taking affordable health care away. In support:

    "By allowing people to avoid buying insurance until they need it, and then requiring insurers to cover anyone who comes knocking at their door regardless of medical condition, you create a risk pool of exclusively sick people."

    "This is a recipe for financial catastrophe, all but ensuring that premiums rocket skyward and thus making health insurance less affordable and accessible for everyone. That's not political ideology talking; it's simple economics."

    "Opposing an expansion of Medicaid is no less reckless. As things stand, family insurance rates are now as much as $1,500 higher annually because of the cost of treating the uninsured, according to a study by the advocacy group Families USA."

    "If we can all agree that having tens of millions of people uninsured is not just a national disgrace but also an unfair financial burden for people who do have insurance, then one of our priorities must be to extend coverage to as many people as we can."

    "This has been accomplished in part by the reform law's provision that young adults can stay on their parents' plans to age 26. According to census figures, young adults are the age group least likely to have health insurance."

    "In terms of income, nearly two-thirds of the uninsured are in households making less than $50,000 a year. Expanding Medicaid eligibility would thus be the most effective and efficient means of bringing coverage to this segment of the population."

    "Needless to say, all these problems would be moot if the United States followed the example of its economic peers in Europe and Asia and adopted some sort of Medicare-for-all system guaranteeing universal coverage.

    So in the absence of compulsion, then anyone can wait until the last minute, especially if the condition is not pre-existing. Those sorts of problems do get addressed in The Act, but a pool of insured is required.

    The Republicans are of the Party that brought about the Financial Crisis, most recently. World War Level Expenditures have been necessary to get back on tract. Still Republicans intend to manage. Healthy people should not be asked to participate in the risk pool. Only the Sick should be encouraged to participate in the risk pool

    Then if the plague becomes epidemic, then all insurance carriers are blessed(?).

    "Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!"
    (Unregulated poison blankets even: Cure for everyone in all hospitals, like for many on Lands of Many Nations, not so long ago!)
     
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    Read & WEEP!!!!

    This was PREDICTED, as a result o' Health Care Reform being shot-down by Republicans!!!


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    Funny, i had the right to purchase health care and health insurance prior to Obamacare being passed. What rights, exactly, was I given by the government telling people what they can or cant do?
     

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