Health Care Hearings Fall-Out: GOP Now Publically Anti-Health Care Rights!

[mascale]

After laughing through the GOP Presidential Road Show "Debates:" Then anyone noticed that MittCare was as widely opposed as ObamaCare. Republicans have it in for payments made to health care professionals.

And so now a Los Angeles Times contributor has succinctly summarized how the GOP will go into the national elections. It will be the Party Opposed To Health Care Rights, Health Care Access, and Health Care payments to health care providers. The Republican Governors, filing the suit which was subject of the Supreme Court Hearings, have put the Republicans squarely on the side of "Privilege" in the matter of Health Care.

GOP is holding the line of healthcare as a privilege, not a right - latimes.com

Even MediCaid, which is not precisely coerced upon the states: Is opposed.

Justice Kennedy famously remarked, on the third day, that affordable business health plan coverage, under the Act in question, actually assumed the viability of the Individual Mandate--and the lessening of premiums, through the Exchanges. The government contention was the the Act is actually a finance mechanism for health care in the United States. Justice Kennedy's analysis would be a likely outcome. The Conservative contention was that the Act was a coercion to purchase a service, or a product, rather than a compulsory participation in a pool, for example, of potential draftees.

The government's contention of a finance plan shows that the Act has Constitutional Basis. IRS even demands payment in legal tender, the money of the United States. It does not accept payment in ounces of gold, even, in the matter of taxes. Sheep, cows, and pigs, are not accepted: Expecially if they are dead, and burning. The money units are legally required, instead.

Gold is subject to valuations, just like health care premiums are subject to valuations. IRS wants the valuation medium, not any commodity instead. The only compulsion in the Affordable Health Care Act was the use of Legal Tender, the evaluation medium, channeled through the health plans. Unlike Gold, you cannot present a unit of "legal tender," and expect a completely paid for, legal service or health care service. Anyone can expect some service from an ounce of gold, subject to its value in legal tender units. The newer "currency" of the health plans with the Minimum Standards: Is actually about a finance plan, regardless of prevailing commodity values, or of service prices. Congress created a kind of giant voucher plan. It used a commonly understood mechanism, a "risk pool."

Read the entire article from the link

 

[Claudette]

If HC is a right then why is Obamacare in the Commerce clause and a tax??

Last I heard rights didn't have taxes attached to em.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

After laughing through the GOP Presidential Road Show "Debates:" Then anyone noticed that MittCare was as widely opposed as ObamaCare. Republicans have it in for payments made to health care professionals.

And so now a Los Angeles Times contributor has succinctly summarized how the GOP will go into the national elections. It will be the Party Opposed To Health Care Rights, Health Care Access, and Health Care payments to health care providers.

Great!!!!!

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March 28, 2012

Healthcare Overhaul Gets
Wide Support​

"An overhaul of the U.S. healthcare system remains popular even though Americans are not enamored with the law that President Barack Obama signed in 2010, according to a Reuters/Ipsos poll released on Wednesday. The poll found that 44 percent of respondents favor the law, and that an additional 21 percent oppose it because it doesn't go far enough - for a total of 65 percent.

The rest, 35 percent, said they oppose the law and major changes to healthcare generally."

35%!! LOL!!!!!!!!​

 

[Katzndogz]

All of which supposes that the health care bill was popular and desired by the public. Which isn't true.

 

[g5000]

GOP is holding the line of healthcare as a privilege, not a right - latimes.com

Opening paragraph:

One of the most striking take-aways from this week's U.S. Supreme Court hearings on the healthcare reform law was the steadfast insistence on the part of Republicans to deny affordable and accessible medical treatment to as many people as possible.

The party is determined to maintain the status quo...

Right out of the gate, the writer commmits a fallacy of the excluded middle.

See Shell #3.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

March 30, 2012

GOP Attorney General;
Suing Over Obamacare

"According to one Republican attorney general in the lawsuit against the health care individual mandate, the problem with Obamacare is that it’s not a government takeover of health care.

“Insurance companies are the absolute worst people to handle this kind of business,” he declared. “I trust the government more than insurance companies.” Caldwell went on to endorse the idea of a single-payer health care system, saying it’d “be a whole lot better” than Obamacare."

The President has the GOP
RIGHT WHERE HE WANTS THEM!!!!

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[Avorysuds]

Another Trolling thread... Don't you guys get tired of it?

 

[mascale]

The Proposition is that the Republicans are taking affordable health care away. In support:

"By allowing people to avoid buying insurance until they need it, and then requiring insurers to cover anyone who comes knocking at their door regardless of medical condition, you create a risk pool of exclusively sick people."

"This is a recipe for financial catastrophe, all but ensuring that premiums rocket skyward and thus making health insurance less affordable and accessible for everyone. That's not political ideology talking; it's simple economics."

"Opposing an expansion of Medicaid is no less reckless. As things stand, family insurance rates are now as much as $1,500 higher annually because of the cost of treating the uninsured, according to a study by the advocacy group Families USA."

"If we can all agree that having tens of millions of people uninsured is not just a national disgrace but also an unfair financial burden for people who do have insurance, then one of our priorities must be to extend coverage to as many people as we can."

"This has been accomplished in part by the reform law's provision that young adults can stay on their parents' plans to age 26. According to census figures, young adults are the age group least likely to have health insurance."

"In terms of income, nearly two-thirds of the uninsured are in households making less than $50,000 a year. Expanding Medicaid eligibility would thus be the most effective and efficient means of bringing coverage to this segment of the population."

"Needless to say, all these problems would be moot if the United States followed the example of its economic peers in Europe and Asia and adopted some sort of Medicare-for-all system guaranteeing universal coverage.

So in the absence of compulsion, then anyone can wait until the last minute, especially if the condition is not pre-existing. Those sorts of problems do get addressed in The Act, but a pool of insured is required.

The Republicans are of the Party that brought about the Financial Crisis, most recently. World War Level Expenditures have been necessary to get back on tract. Still Republicans intend to manage. Healthy people should not be asked to participate in the risk pool. Only the Sick should be encouraged to participate in the risk pool

Then if the plague becomes epidemic, then all insurance carriers are blessed(?).

"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!"
(Unregulated poison blankets even: Cure for everyone in all hospitals, like for many on Lands of Many Nations, not so long ago!)

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Another Trolling thread... Don't you guys get tired of it?

Read & WEEP!!!!

This was PREDICTED, as a result o' Health Care Reform being shot-down by Republicans!!!​

Vermont;
The “Saskatchewan of the United States”​

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Barack
WHUPPED 'EM!!!!!!!!

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[Avatar4321]

Funny, i had the right to purchase health care and health insurance prior to Obamacare being passed. What rights, exactly, was I given by the government telling people what they can or cant do?

 

[g5000]

"By allowing people to avoid buying insurance until they need it, and then requiring insurers to cover anyone who comes knocking at their door regardless of medical condition, you create a risk pool of exclusively sick people."

"This is a recipe for financial catastrophe, all but ensuring that premiums rocket skyward and thus making health insurance less affordable and accessible for everyone. That's not political ideology talking; it's simple economics."

This is exactly the ridiculous and disastrous situation ObamaCare created in the legislation, yes. That's why Justice Kennedy asked, "Can you create commerce in order to regulate it?"

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Tommy Douglas;
The GREATEST CANADIAN​

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[LordBrownTrout]

Keep trying to spin it that way OP....but it will not work. Your buffoons screwed around and then shoveled a 2000 page unconstitutional pile of dung down our throats. It needs to burn.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

"By allowing people to avoid buying insurance until they need it, and then requiring insurers to cover anyone who comes knocking at their door regardless of medical condition, you create a risk pool of exclusively sick people."

"This is a recipe for financial catastrophe, all but ensuring that premiums rocket skyward and thus making health insurance less affordable and accessible for everyone. That's not political ideology talking; it's simple economics."

This is exactly the ridiculous and disastrous situation ObamaCare created in the legislation, yes. That's why Justice Kennedy asked, "Can you create commerce in order to regulate it?"

Get ready for....

SINGLE-PAYER!!!!!

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[code1211]

This is really high comedy. The Pass it to find out what's in it girl decided to pass the hastily crafted Senate Bill untouched to avoid the normal and usual practice of reviewing it and then sending it back to the Senate to be re-approved.

Of course this was impossible because the tenuous majority in the Senate had already evaporated so the Wicked Witch of the West lied and connived her way past procedure and ethics in order to pass the Senate Version.

Did the Senate leave anything out in their haste to pass the bill before the 41st vote showed up? As a matter of fact, yes they did: Severability. In the house Bill they included the clause that if any one part of the bill was ruled unconstitutional, the rest would still be in force.

The haste in the Senate to avoid waiting until the 41st vote showed up and Nancy's drive to ramrod the swindle through with no amendments has condemned the whole bill.

It's nice when idiots and thieves are doomed by their own acts.

 

[Katzndogz]

This is really high comedy. The Pass it to find out what's in it girl decided to pass the hastily crafted Senate Bill untouched to avoid the normal and usual practice of reviewing it and then sending it back to the Senate to be re-approved.

Of course this was impossible because the tenuous majority in the Senate had already evaporated so the Wicked Witch of the West lied and connived her way past procedure and ethics in order to pass the Senate Version.

Did the Senate leave anything out in their haste to pass the bill before the 41st vote showed up? As a matter of fact, yes they did: Severability. In the house Bill they included the clause that if any one part of the bill was ruled unconstitutional, the rest would still be in force.

The haste in the Senate to avoid waiting until the 41st vote showed up and Nancy's drive to ramrod the swindle through with no amendments has condemned the whole bill.

It's nice when idiots and thieves are doomed by their own acts.

Putting in a severability clause was a republican idea that was scrapped almost immediately. That the clause was left out wasn't haste or inadvertence, it was a deliberate decision. The thinking was that if it included a severability clause the bill would be dismantled bit by bit. No one would dare to simply strike down such a sweeping bill.

They would be wrong.

 

[Greenbeard]

Did the Senate leave anything out in their haste to pass the bill before the 41st vote showed up? As a matter of fact, yes they did: Severability. In the house Bill they included the clause that if any one part of the bill was ruled unconstitutional, the rest would still be in force.

Both chambers' legislative drafting manuals specify, based on Supreme Court precedents, that severability clauses are not required; only non-severability clauses explicitly identifying provisions that can not be severed are needed.

In other words, if they wanted anything to be non-severable from the rest of the law, they had to explicitly say so. The absence of any such clause comes with the presumption that in fact all provisions are severable.

That's why the Eleventh Circuit reversed the district court's ruling out of Florida and severed the individual mandate.

 

[mascale]

Jesus of Nazareth first proposed the the "Make-Work-Pay" Refundable, equal amount tax credit in Matthew 20::1-16. The Laborers in the field got an equal amount, regardless if they had worked all the day, or only the one hour. A work-day was actually shorter. So with the daily cost-of-living amount, then the laborers were off to the market place to get what they needed, or do other business.

The Republicans took Schedule M away. That was the "Make-Work-Pay" $400.00 per adult plan, now not available: This tax season.

Cash-for-Clunkers was similarly modeled, to prime the pump for auto-makers.

Aspects of the Stimulus remain in place.

ObamaCare may yet past muster, or parts of it--into the summer.

So in contrast to the do-nothing Congesses as usual, the Conservatives ran into a legislature that actually did something.

In the midterms, they managed to take some of it away.

Subsequent the midterms, The Republicans managed to get the credit rating of the entire United States downgraded.

Anyone notes that they seem to have plan(?)! Soon there will be a larger turnout of the noticing-as-usual!

"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!"
(The Good Ship LollyPop Is Their Plan! Get well on that plan, if you can(?)!)

 

[rdean]

With a policy of "let him die", we kinda already knew that.

 

[Dragon]

Funny, i had the right to purchase health care and health insurance prior to Obamacare being passed. What rights, exactly, was I given by the government telling people what they can or cant do?

If there is a right to health care, it is not satisfied by a right to purchase health care or health insurance, unless those are cheap enough that everyone can afford them.

Purchasing a Rolls-Royce is a privilege, not a right, even though there is no LEGAL obstacle in the way for anyone.