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Four online articles help to clarify the health care dialogue. The obstacles are: to pass tax reform, the GOP has to pass a budget, and to pass a budget, they will have to either accept ACA/obamcare as it is now or repeal or modify the program, and that does not look like any of those alternatives are going to get a majority of the Senate's votes.

The Stumbling, Bumbling Death of the Republican Repeal Dream

  • There is a big difference between making promises as the minority party and governing as the majority party.
  • Success in politics is never guaranteed. And promises made are rarely promises kept.
Murkowski and McCain Lied to Voters "Murkowski and McCain Saved ObamaCare Just Months After Promising Voters They'd Repeal It

"This week, the Senate gave the public a fresh and powerful reason to view Twain as correct in his assessment . . . . Alaska Sen. Lisa Murkowski, for example, wrote multiple op-eds for her hometown papers decrying what ObamaCare had done to her state, and vowing to repeal it, in the run-up to her 2016 re-election. In one she wrote that "the Affordable Care Act has unfortunately become one of the most ironically named pieces of legislation for Alaska in history."

It Was Trump's Fault John Podhoretz opines that "Exactly two years ago yesterday, I published a blog post on this site called
Trump: The Case for Despairing—About America. I wrote: “The issue with Trump is that his approach can only be called ‘the politics of unseriousness.’ He engages with no issue, merely offers a hostile and pithy soundbite bromide about it. He yammers. He describes how wonderful things will be when he acts against something or other without explaining how he will act, what he will do, or how it will work. Reader, we married him. He is our president. And his unseriousness just played a key role in the disastrous fate of the Republican effort to save the country from ObamaCare.”

House Republicans Frustrated by Senate Failure to Act
They awoke Friday morning to the news that their Senate counterparts had failed.

“A lot of us here in the House were gearing up again to do the hard work and try to make the mechanics and the dollars and the demographics work, and we wake up the next morning and the rug has been pulled out again by the Senate,” said Rep. David Schweikert.

“I think the Senate needs to grow up and understand that they’re part of the governing majority too,” he added.

It was a frustrating position for House Republicans. They had struggled for months to narrowly pass Obamacare repeal legislation, and eventually succeeded under the expectation that the Senate would improve, and then pass, their own measure. The failure, seven months into the Congress and on the eve of the House departing for the annual August recess, was a boiling point for many lawmakers, who consider their agenda and campaign promises to be in peril, and who question whether failures in the upper chamber will cost them politically.

 
Republican politicians knew all along that could not do a real "Repeal & Replace", because they knew that (a) repeal-only would be political suicide, and (b) a replacement is impossible when you're working with only half an ideological tool kit.

So, they convinced their constituents of this lie and won.

And now their lie has been exposed and they (and, obediently, their constituents) are trying to blame anyone but themselves.
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Republican politicians knew all along that could not do a real "Repeal & Replace", because they knew that (a) repeal-only would be political suicide, and (b) a replacement is impossible when you're working with only half an ideological tool kit.

So, they convinced their constituents of this lie and won.

And now their lie has been exposed and they (and, obediently, their constituents) are trying to blame anyone but themselves.
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Such are the dynamics of American politics.
 
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Inside Hillary Clinton's big-money cavalry

Priorities USA Action

Type: super PAC

Ready for Hillary PAC / Ready PAC

Type: hybrid PAC

American Bridge 21st Century

Type: super PAC

American Bridge 21st Century Foundation

Type: 501(c)(4) “social welfare” nonprofit

Correct the Record

Type: hybrid PAC

Emily’s List / Women Vote!

Type: PAC / super PAC

Planned Parenthood Votes

Type: super PAC

Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington

Type: 501(c)(3) nonprofit

American Democracy Legal Fund

Type: 527 political committee

Media Matters for America

Type: 501(c)(3) nonprofit

and...............and................and..............and.........................and.............
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Four online articles help to clarify the health care dialogue. The obstacles are: to pass tax reform, the GOP has to pass a budget, and to pass a budget, they will have to either accept ACA/obamcare as it is now or repeal or modify the program, and that does not look like any of those alternatives are going to get a majority of the Senate's votes.

The Stumbling, Bumbling Death of the Republican Repeal Dream

  • There is a big difference between making promises as the minority party and governing as the majority party.
  • Success in politics is never guaranteed. And promises made are rarely promises kept.
Murkowski and McCain Lied to Voters "Murkowski and McCain Saved ObamaCare Just Months After Promising Voters They'd Repeal It

"This week, the Senate gave the public a fresh and powerful reason to view Twain as correct in his assessment . . . . Alaska Sen. Lisa Murkowski, for example, wrote multiple op-eds for her hometown papers decrying what ObamaCare had done to her state, and vowing to repeal it, in the run-up to her 2016 re-election. In one she wrote that "the Affordable Care Act has unfortunately become one of the most ironically named pieces of legislation for Alaska in history."

It Was Trump's Fault John Podhoretz opines that "Exactly two years ago yesterday, I published a blog post on this site called
Trump: The Case for Despairing—About America. I wrote: “The issue with Trump is that his approach can only be called ‘the politics of unseriousness.’ He engages with no issue, merely offers a hostile and pithy soundbite bromide about it. He yammers. He describes how wonderful things will be when he acts against something or other without explaining how he will act, what he will do, or how it will work. Reader, we married him. He is our president. And his unseriousness just played a key role in the disastrous fate of the Republican effort to save the country from ObamaCare.”

House Republicans Frustrated by Senate Failure to Act
They awoke Friday morning to the news that their Senate counterparts had failed.

“A lot of us here in the House were gearing up again to do the hard work and try to make the mechanics and the dollars and the demographics work, and we wake up the next morning and the rug has been pulled out again by the Senate,” said Rep. David Schweikert.

“I think the Senate needs to grow up and understand that they’re part of the governing majority too,” he added.

It was a frustrating position for House Republicans. They had struggled for months to narrowly pass Obamacare repeal legislation, and eventually succeeded under the expectation that the Senate would improve, and then pass, their own measure. The failure, seven months into the Congress and on the eve of the House departing for the annual August recess, was a boiling point for many lawmakers, who consider their agenda and campaign promises to be in peril, and who question whether failures in the upper chamber will cost them politically.
/----/ Time to drain the swamp.
 
Four online articles help to clarify the health care dialogue. The obstacles are: to pass tax reform, the GOP has to pass a budget, and to pass a budget, they will have to either accept ACA/obamcare as it is now or repeal or modify the program, and that does not look like any of those alternatives are going to get a majority of the Senate's votes.

The Stumbling, Bumbling Death of the Republican Repeal Dream

  • There is a big difference between making promises as the minority party and governing as the majority party.
  • Success in politics is never guaranteed. And promises made are rarely promises kept.
Murkowski and McCain Lied to Voters "Murkowski and McCain Saved ObamaCare Just Months After Promising Voters They'd Repeal It

"This week, the Senate gave the public a fresh and powerful reason to view Twain as correct in his assessment . . . . Alaska Sen. Lisa Murkowski, for example, wrote multiple op-eds for her hometown papers decrying what ObamaCare had done to her state, and vowing to repeal it, in the run-up to her 2016 re-election. In one she wrote that "the Affordable Care Act has unfortunately become one of the most ironically named pieces of legislation for Alaska in history."

It Was Trump's Fault John Podhoretz opines that "Exactly two years ago yesterday, I published a blog post on this site called
Trump: The Case for Despairing—About America. I wrote: “The issue with Trump is that his approach can only be called ‘the politics of unseriousness.’ He engages with no issue, merely offers a hostile and pithy soundbite bromide about it. He yammers. He describes how wonderful things will be when he acts against something or other without explaining how he will act, what he will do, or how it will work. Reader, we married him. He is our president. And his unseriousness just played a key role in the disastrous fate of the Republican effort to save the country from ObamaCare.”

House Republicans Frustrated by Senate Failure to Act
They awoke Friday morning to the news that their Senate counterparts had failed.

“A lot of us here in the House were gearing up again to do the hard work and try to make the mechanics and the dollars and the demographics work, and we wake up the next morning and the rug has been pulled out again by the Senate,” said Rep. David Schweikert.

“I think the Senate needs to grow up and understand that they’re part of the governing majority too,” he added.

It was a frustrating position for House Republicans. They had struggled for months to narrowly pass Obamacare repeal legislation, and eventually succeeded under the expectation that the Senate would improve, and then pass, their own measure. The failure, seven months into the Congress and on the eve of the House departing for the annual August recess, was a boiling point for many lawmakers, who consider their agenda and campaign promises to be in peril, and who question whether failures in the upper chamber will cost them politically.
/----/ Time to drain the swamp.
ABSOLUTELY.............

Until we get rid of the Political Whores in office NOTHING WILL CHANGE..................They have sold their souls to DARK MONEY for personal interests and do the bidding of WHO PAYS TO PLAY............

 
Republican politicians knew all along that could not do a real "Repeal & Replace", because they knew that (a) repeal-only would be political suicide, and (b) a replacement is impossible when you're working with only half an ideological tool kit.

So, they convinced their constituents of this lie and won.

And now their lie has been exposed and they (and, obediently, their constituents) are trying to blame anyone but themselves.
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/----/ No, the republican leadership are deep staters who don't want to repeal Obozocare. They are as bad as the DemocRATS. Time to drain the swamp.
 
Pharmaceuticals / Health Products: Background | OpenSecrets

The industry's political generosity increased in the years leading up to Congress' passage in 2003 of a Medicare prescription drug benefit. Since then, industry spending levels have fluctuated, though they have usually hovered around the $30 million range, including during the 2014 cycle when that number was nearly $32 million. 2012 was the cycle when the industry contributed the most -- over $50.7 million. The pharmaceutical industry has traditionally supported Republican candidates, with the 2008 and 2010 cycles serving as the only exceptions. During the 2014 cycle, Republicans received 58 percent of industry contributions whereas Democrats received only 42 percent.

In terms of lobbying, key players in 2014 included the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America (over $16.6 million), Amgen Inc(nearly $8.6 million), Pfizer Inc (nearly $8.5 million), the Biotechnology Industry Organization (almost $8.3 million) and Eli Lilly & Co (around $8.2 million). Lobbying efforts focus on the patent system, research funding and Medicare. While lobbying totals were fairly high at over $229.1 million in 2014, the industry hit a record in spending nearly 272.8 million on lobbying activities 2009 -- around the time when the Affordable Care Act was being debated in Congress.


Clinton tops 2016 field in drug industry donations

Democratic presidential frontrunner Hillary Clinton has received more campaign cash from drug companies than any candidate in either party, even as she proudly declares the industry is one of her biggest enemies.

Clinton accepted $164,315 in the first six months of the campaign from drug companies, far more than the rest of the 2016 field, according to an analysis by Stat News.

This week, Sanders rejected a $2,700 contribution from Martin Shkreli, the now-infamous CEO of Turing Pharmaceuticals, which hiked prices for a life-saving drug by 4,000 percent overnight.

Among Republicans, Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) took in the most at $96,045, followed by $52,430 to Sen Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) and $50,700 to former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush.
 
/----/ Your chart doesn't state the dosage or number of pills but you can get Generic Nexium from Costco for about $15 making your point moot. In addition you don't factor in the higher income tax those other countries CHARGE for lower Rx costs.
Acid Relief | Costco
It is an older article for basic information of what is wrong with our system. So I stand corrected...........doesn't nullify that we spend more for drugs and healthcare than any other Nation in the world.

The LAWS are written by the Pharma companies, Insurance companies, and etc........via Dark Money to their favorite Political WHORES............Both SIDES..............

And until we get rid of these political whores we aren't gonna see legislation that actually will lower our costs...........
 
/----/ Your chart doesn't state the dosage or number of pills but you can get Generic Nexium from Costco for about $15 making your point moot. In addition you don't factor in the higher income tax those other countries CHARGE for lower Rx costs.
Acid Relief | Costco
It is an older article for basic information of what is wrong with our system. So I stand corrected...........doesn't nullify that we spend more for drugs and healthcare than any other Nation in the world.

The LAWS are written by the Pharma companies, Insurance companies, and etc........via Dark Money to their favorite Political WHORES............Both SIDES..............

And until we get rid of these political whores we aren't gonna see legislation that actually will lower our costs...........
/----/ Those other countries subsidize the cost and the options are restricted by formulary. We get more choices in the US including generic. Because of our free market it is very easy for the detractors to cherry pick data to push their Single Payer system. The point remains in the USA you can shop around. In the socialized countries not so much. "one month's supply of generic Lipitor costs $17 at Costco, Consumer Reports' secret shoppers found. The same drug cost $150 at CVS. Rite Aid and Target had similarly high prices." Prescription drugs cost least at Costco and most at CVS, study shows
 
/----/ Your chart doesn't state the dosage or number of pills but you can get Generic Nexium from Costco for about $15 making your point moot. In addition you don't factor in the higher income tax those other countries CHARGE for lower Rx costs.
Acid Relief | Costco
It is an older article for basic information of what is wrong with our system. So I stand corrected...........doesn't nullify that we spend more for drugs and healthcare than any other Nation in the world.

The LAWS are written by the Pharma companies, Insurance companies, and etc........via Dark Money to their favorite Political WHORES............Both SIDES..............

And until we get rid of these political whores we aren't gonna see legislation that actually will lower our costs...........
/----/ Those other countries subsidize the cost and the options are restricted by formulary. We get more choices in the US including generic. Because of our free market it is very easy for the detractors to cherry pick data to push their Single Payer system. The point remains in the USA you can shop around. In the socialized countries not so much. "one month's supply of generic Lipitor costs $17 at Costco, Consumer Reports' secret shoppers found. The same drug cost $150 at CVS. Rite Aid and Target had similarly high prices." Prescription drugs cost least at Costco and most at CVS, study shows
I believe you misunderstand me for someone advocating Single Payer.................Not the case.

I picked the wrong example..................so be it.........but it doesn't matter...........Our Pharma costs more than anyone else even though you can show that some prices have lessened, and that we can still shop around to get SOME DRUGS at cheaper prices.

Not all foreign countries SUBSIDIZE PHARMA...............So that is not a blanket reason why we are so much higher.

In regards to another reason............R & D is a major player.................and is added to our drug costs.........then the rest of the world copies it for a lesser price as we pay the lion's share for the costs..............

Malpractice suits...............major player in our costs...........

Unnecessary tests to cover their asses for later lawsuits should something go wrong............

Many reasons NOT REALLY ADDRESSED by our WHORED OUT LEADERS.
 
/----/ Your chart doesn't state the dosage or number of pills but you can get Generic Nexium from Costco for about $15 making your point moot. In addition you don't factor in the higher income tax those other countries CHARGE for lower Rx costs.
Acid Relief | Costco
It is an older article for basic information of what is wrong with our system. So I stand corrected...........doesn't nullify that we spend more for drugs and healthcare than any other Nation in the world.

The LAWS are written by the Pharma companies, Insurance companies, and etc........via Dark Money to their favorite Political WHORES............Both SIDES..............

And until we get rid of these political whores we aren't gonna see legislation that actually will lower our costs...........
/----/ Those other countries subsidize the cost and the options are restricted by formulary. We get more choices in the US including generic. Because of our free market it is very easy for the detractors to cherry pick data to push their Single Payer system. The point remains in the USA you can shop around. In the socialized countries not so much. "one month's supply of generic Lipitor costs $17 at Costco, Consumer Reports' secret shoppers found. The same drug cost $150 at CVS. Rite Aid and Target had similarly high prices." Prescription drugs cost least at Costco and most at CVS, study shows
I believe you misunderstand me for someone advocating Single Payer.................Not the case.

I picked the wrong example..................so be it.........but it doesn't matter...........Our Pharma costs more than anyone else even though you can show that some prices have lessened, and that we can still shop around to get SOME DRUGS at cheaper prices.

Not all foreign countries SUBSIDIZE PHARMA...............So that is not a blanket reason why we are so much higher.

In regards to another reason............R & D is a major player.................and is added to our drug costs.........then the rest of the world copies it for a lesser price as we pay the lion's share for the costs..............

Malpractice suits...............major player in our costs...........

Unnecessary tests to cover their asses for later lawsuits should something go wrong............

Many reasons NOT REALLY ADDRESSED by our WHORED OUT LEADERS.
/----/ Another issue is those other countries protect their Pharm companies from frivolous lawsuits. Ours are wide open for lawsuits and they are self insured which drives up the cost. We need Tort reform
 
A walk down memory lane on tort reform

Here’s Your ‘Demonstration Project,’ Mr. President — It’s Called Mississippi

“Since passing tort reform in 2004, Mississippi has seen the number of medical malpracticeclaims plummet by 91 percent from its peak. The state’s largest medical liability insurerdropped its premiums by 42 percent, and has offered an additional 20 percent rebate each year since tort reform went into effect.


That is the story that Mississippi’s Republican, governor, Haley Barbour, offered on Friday, speaking at the Heritage Foundation. He also made an observation about President Obama’s decision to offer only token ‘demonstration projects’ on lawsuit abuse rather than address it meaningfully in his health care reform proposal.

‘It’s mysterious to me that the administration and the leadership of Congress talk about health care reform and the goal of reducing costs, and yet refuse to put tort reform into the legislation,’ he said. ‘I believe $200, $250 billion a year in health care costs is caused by litigation. It may be more than that. But this is the lowest hanging fruit, this ain’t rocket science. If they want a demonstration project, come down to Mississippi, and I’ll show you a demonstration project.’ (Last month, Barbour wrote this op-ed for The Examiner on insurance reform.)…”
Here’s Your ‘Demonstration Project,’ Mr. President — It’s Called Mississippi
 
Tort reform is a difficult sell because most congresspersons are lawyers, and they have friends who get rich under the status quo. Not personally corrupted, but socially corrupted.
 

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