Health Bill dead on arrival at the Senate

[California Girl]

No - I don't believe it's the Republicans fault. It's primarily the fault of the Democrats, for not including it. I pointed out the reality, though, which is that if the GOP hadn't decided to vote against it as a block, they could probably have gotten tort reform included.

Understand now?

Wrong. The Republicans were completely shut out of the process by Pelosi and Co. They asked for tort reform...Pelosi said fuck off.
CBO says tort reform reduces deficit - Washington Times

You understand now!?

Wrong. The Republicans announced relatively early in the process that they would vote as a block against any health-reform legislation that either included a mandate, or included any form of a public option, or several other "non-negotiables."

South Carolina Senator Jim DeMint (R) said back in July, "If we’re able to stop Obama on this it will be his Waterloo. It will break him."

There was never any chance that the House Republicans were going to agree to any compromise, and they offered NOTHING in exchange for their demands for tort reform. And so they didn't get it.

Again - I'm not blaming them, in the end, it was a Democratic bill. But you're so intensely partisan, that you don't even understand that, if they were willing to compromise, they could probably have gotten tort reform as part of the bill.

In the end, they decided to vote, as an almost perfect block (a single Republican voted for it) against the bill.

Maybe I'm casting pearls before swine here, I don't know. Do you understand what "compromise" means? As in, "give up something you want, in order to get something else you want"?

Sure, lots of us understand 'compromise'. Do you understand the Constitution? The whole damned bill is unconstitutional. How can you compromise on whether it sits in the constitution?

If the Administration wanted Tort Reform, they should have included it. They didn't. Why not? They should not play politics with this fundamental bill - they either fucking well do it right or they don't. As is the usual way with both sides of this corrupt and stupid den of thieves, they play politics with the very foundations of our country and the people they are paid to represent.

Personally, I think every single last one of them should be kicked out.

 

[ayiakri]

I disagree with you about the constitutionality of the bill, but then, neither of us is sitting on the Supreme Court (unless you're just slumming here for fun).

Seems pretty likely that the issue will end up before SCOTUS, and according to the Constitution, they're the ones with the final say on what is, and isn't, constitutional. Be definition, if they strike it down, then it's unconstitutional (like parts of the McCain-Feingold finance-reform bill were struck down).

You've got a long wait ahead of you to find out, though (however many years it takes to even get to the Supreme Court).

And I appreciate your not needing to resort to profanity to make that point (in all seriousness).

 

[PatekPhilippe]

No - I don't believe it's the Republicans fault. It's primarily the fault of the Democrats, for not including it. I pointed out the reality, though, which is that if the GOP hadn't decided to vote against it as a block, they could probably have gotten tort reform included.

Understand now?

Wrong. The Republicans were completely shut out of the process by Pelosi and Co. They asked for tort reform...Pelosi said fuck off.
CBO says tort reform reduces deficit - Washington Times

You understand now!?

Wrong. The Republicans announced relatively early in the process that they would vote as a block against any health-reform legislation that either included a mandate, or included any form of a public option, or several other "non-negotiables."

South Carolina Senator Jim DeMint (R) said back in July, "If we’re able to stop Obama on this it will be his Waterloo. It will break him."

There was never any chance that the House Republicans were going to agree to any compromise, and they offered NOTHING in exchange for their demands for tort reform. And so they didn't get it.

Again - I'm not blaming them, in the end, it was a Democratic bill. But you're so intensely partisan, that you don't even understand that, if they were willing to compromise, they could probably have gotten tort reform as part of the bill.

In the end, they decided to vote, as an almost perfect block (a single Republican voted for it) against the bill.

Maybe I'm casting pearls before swine here, I don't know. Do you understand what "compromise" means? As in, "give up something you want, in order to get something else you want"?

You're turning out to be quite the partisan hack....you just completely glossed over the article I presented to back up my post...all you have done is profer horseshit liberal loon talking points.

So..I see, in fact, that you ARE blamimg Republicans for the lack of tort reform being in the House Bill.

Next!

 

[PatekPhilippe]

Wrong. The Republicans announced relatively early in the process that they would vote as a block against any health-reform legislation that either included a mandate, or included any form of a public option, or several other "non-negotiables."

What the fuck does this have to do with tort reform?

 

[ayiakri]

Wrong. The Republicans were completely shut out of the process by Pelosi and Co. They asked for tort reform...Pelosi said fuck off.
CBO says tort reform reduces deficit - Washington Times

You understand now!?

Wrong. The Republicans announced relatively early in the process that they would vote as a block against any health-reform legislation that either included a mandate, or included any form of a public option, or several other "non-negotiables."

South Carolina Senator Jim DeMint (R) said back in July, "If we’re able to stop Obama on this it will be his Waterloo. It will break him."

There was never any chance that the House Republicans were going to agree to any compromise, and they offered NOTHING in exchange for their demands for tort reform. And so they didn't get it.

Again - I'm not blaming them, in the end, it was a Democratic bill. But you're so intensely partisan, that you don't even understand that, if they were willing to compromise, they could probably have gotten tort reform as part of the bill.

In the end, they decided to vote, as an almost perfect block (a single Republican voted for it) against the bill.

Maybe I'm casting pearls before swine here, I don't know. Do you understand what "compromise" means? As in, "give up something you want, in order to get something else you want"?

You're turning out to be quite the partisan hack....you just completely glossed over the article I presented to back up my post...all you have done is profer horseshit liberal loon talking points.

So..I see, in fact, that you ARE blamimg Republicans for the lack of tort reform being in the House Bill.

Next!

You're turning out to be quite the partisan hack....you just completely glossed over the fact that I explicitly said that I didn't blame the Republicans for the lack of tort reform.

So..I see, in fact, that you CAN'T read simple English, and don't understand how legislation gets made.

Next!

 

[ayiakri]

Wrong. The Republicans announced relatively early in the process that they would vote as a block against any health-reform legislation that either included a mandate, or included any form of a public option, or several other "non-negotiables."

What the fuck does this have to do with tort reform?

I refuse to dumb down my posts to be understood by the least-common denominator. Either you were able to follow the thread, or you were not.

 

[California Girl]

Wrong. The Republicans announced relatively early in the process that they would vote as a block against any health-reform legislation that either included a mandate, or included any form of a public option, or several other "non-negotiables."

What the fuck does this have to do with tort reform?

I refuse to dumb down my posts to be understood by the least-common denominator. Either you were able to follow the thread, or you were not.

You have to post something intelligent first, before you can actually dumb down. Do drop me a PM and let me know on that aspicious day.

 

[ayiakri]

What the fuck does this have to do with tort reform?

I refuse to dumb down my posts to be understood by the least-common denominator. Either you were able to follow the thread, or you were not.

You have to post something intelligent first, before you can actually dumb down. Do drop me a PM and let me know on that aspicious day.

Oh, THAT'S likely!!

Sorry, I don't sent private messages to people who haven't bothered to post anything more than insults. And so far, I haven't seen you post anything worth writing home about.

Even on the rare occasion that I've actually agreed with some point you seemed to be struggling to make, your only retort is (suprise!) yet another insult along the lines of "Idiot", "fool", "fucking partisan hack", blah blah blah.

You actually don't strike me as completely mentally incompetent, but merely monumentally lazy. If you ever decide to actually write a post that isn't content-free, I'll be sure to write something reasonable in response.

 

[Maple]

House health care bill has nowhere to go in Senate - Yahoo! News

So much for that great after glow.

House Health Bill Has Nowhere to Go in Senate - FOXNews.com

And another link, this won't fly in the senate, Pelosi may be able to strong arm those freshmen congressmen but she or Harry are not going to be able to get past Liebermann and the rest of the moderate dems. The filibuster will be on.

 

[slackjawed]

Personally I am anxious to see what happens in the senate on this bill. In my lifetime the house has passed several bills that died in the senate, most passed the house by a slim partisan margin. I personally believe that something will pass the senate, watered down maybe but something.
Anyone who believes that our so-called-leaders will ever enact tort reform is living in a dream world. They are lawyers and will always look after their own. Even if congress passed some type of tort reform, the supreme court would knock it down, why-because they are lawyers! Tort reform would be a win-win for all members of congress for this reason alone. It would never stand a supreme court challenge.
Partisan politics isn't the answer. There is more than enough blame to go around for both democrats and republicans (and even so-called independents) over the past several years. Both parties are part of a miserable bunch of liars and thieves. Spouting partisan talking points and posting links to biased news sources to support one's opinion is not productive discussion, or even intelligent argument. This is simply performing as programmed by your partisan masters. This serves as a distraction so that the theft and lies can easily continue out of the public eye.
Casting one's vote based upon one's personal opinions and beliefs is the strongest productive discussion.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

God lets hope so. This Pelosi Nightmare does not equal reform in any way. It actually makes things much much worse. The Fining and Imprisoning of American Citizens for not having Health Insurance should have been enough for all to vote against this massive Socialist Boondoggle. This includes Democrats. It really is shocking to see so many supporting this disaster. Party before Country? Looks that way to me.

 

[ThePickledPunk]

House health care bill has nowhere to go in Senate - Yahoo! News

So much for that great after glow.

Awesome news! Republican senators, and people like yourself, that don't have to worry about health care will prevail over everyone else.

RGS "fought" to keep health care based on elitism!

Impressive.

I guess there's about 200 million "people like us", and only about 10,000,000 of those who, unlike us, have no health insurance.

BTW- who, in your opinion, does not have to worry about health care?

 

[Polk]

Reminder - no one in thi country is "without healthcare" Anyone can pay for any service they need. Sheeez. Let's get the right words.

They just need to find a treasure chest first.

Get a fucking job...there's your treasure chest.

The amount of jobs that would allow people to be able to afford treatment out of pocket are is extremely low.

 

[Polk]

For those who think Medicaid provides care for those in need... it doesn't. Unless you're a child or a pregnant woman, you can't get Medicaid for all practical purposes. If someone works ten hours a week at minimum wage, they make more than the cutoff threshold for Medicaid coverage on the basis of a low income.

Well then...that should be an incentive to get a better job and start pulling their fair share shouldn't it? Why the fuck should I work to pay for your medical bills?

Look how quickly you turn. First you claim there are federal programs to help those in poverty to get health care, then when it's pointed out that's not really true, you're going to pretend you never said that.

 

[Polk]

If someone is sick and needs treatment to survive, there is no ethical difference between denying treatment and sticking a revolver in their mouth and pulling the trigger.

You truly are one of the stupidest on these boards. When you cannot afford healthcare there are government programs IN PLACE ALREADY to assist you.

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There's only one more thing to add--

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You can keep claiming it over and over, but it won't make it true.

 

[Polk]

I agree, if they had thrown tort reform in a very simple bill that said we will provide government insurance for anyone who OPTS, I repeat OPTS into it, they would have got this through months ago.

The government insurance having a larger actuary base than most private insurance companies would have proven more efficient, and more and more Americans over time would have opted, I REPEAT, opted into it.

The public option has always been is opt in. And no, tort reform wouldn't have been enough to get Republicans on board. The debate over stimulus (where Democrats made dozens of changes the Republicans wanted and they all still voted against it on the House side and almost all did so on the Senate side) shows that no amount of compromise measures will get Republicans to support it.

 

[Jon]

Whose fault is it they don't have access and affordability? Not mine. So why should I pay for it?

You live in heart attack lane, Arkansas, the land of fat and fried, I lived there too.

You will take government funding and you know it.

Right. Because living in Arkansas means I'm automatically fat. Wow, you're fucking stupid.

 

[amrchaos]

Pelosi is going to get hammered by power brokers within her own party over the House health care bill. The Democrat leadership in the Senate is none too pleased at having that pile of crap sent their way.

Reid is going to let her hang by her own rope - she is finished as Speaker by this time next year...

three things must occur in order for Pelosi to lose her right to Speaker.

1)She loses an election in her uber-liberal district. Not going to happen

2)The Republicans win back the majority In the house. Not going to happen

3)The Democrats decide to trade their majority making speaker for someone less proven---Not going to happen.

 

[The Rabbi]

Pelosi is going to get hammered by power brokers within her own party over the House health care bill. The Democrat leadership in the Senate is none too pleased at having that pile of crap sent their way.

Reid is going to let her hang by her own rope - she is finished as Speaker by this time next year...

three things must occur in order for Pelosi to lose her right to Speaker.

1)She loses an election in her uber-liberal district. Not going to happen

2)The Republicans win back the majority In the house. Not going to happen

3)The Democrats decide to trade their majority making speaker for someone less proven---Not going to happen.

4) Democrats get slaughtered at the polls in 2010 mostly over Pelosi's uber-liberal agenda. Definitely going to happen.

 

[amrchaos]

Pelosi is going to get hammered by power brokers within her own party over the House health care bill. The Democrat leadership in the Senate is none too pleased at having that pile of crap sent their way.

Reid is going to let her hang by her own rope - she is finished as Speaker by this time next year...

three things must occur in order for Pelosi to lose her right to Speaker.

1)She loses an election in her uber-liberal district. Not going to happen

2)The Republicans win back the majority In the house. Not going to happen

3)The Democrats decide to trade their majority making speaker for someone less proven---Not going to happen.

4) Democrats get slaughtered at the polls in 2010 mostly over Pelosi's uber-liberal agenda. Definitely going to happen.

Tell us--who would you vote for?

The Republican--or the "conservative" independent candidate. I see NY23 on a national scale come 2010.

Hell, Democrats could save their war funds for 2012 considering that the opposition is going to split their vote. Just spend in those areas where they normally get over 35% of the vote and no more.

In fact--that produces a great strategy for the Dems. Wait until 3 weeks to election, and throw some money behind an ultra-conservative candidate that make the Republican look llike a communists!! Then wait and throw a a "Hoffman victory party" after the election.