Have We Given Up Essential Liberty For Temporary Safety? Yes or No?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by paulitician, Nov 23, 2011.

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Have We Given Up Essential Liberty For Temporary Safety?

Poll closed Nov 30, 2011.
  1. Yes

    76.5%
  2. No

    23.5%
  1. paulitician
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    "They who can give up essential Liberty to obtain a little temporary safety,deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Benjamin Franklin
     
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    Exactly what liberty are you now missing that you had before?

    I hear this statement all the time but I see no difference in my freedoms.
     
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    One of the problems I feel Paul has is his over simplification of issues. Liberty and our safety are both paramount.

    What does liberty do for the World Trade victims or intentional plane crash victims? Is TSA taking away our rights? they are striving for the least intrusion for passengers in assuring we have a safe homeland against thise who wish to kill us. It's not easy to balance both, but we must. This is just one example of "rights" being taken away from our citizens that many would not approve.

    The Patriot Act has been designed so we are safe and still alive to enjoy our liberties. The rights of those who wish to harm us, whether American or foreign born has to to be compromised for the safety of our citizens. And now it's law...a good one.
     
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    We dont have a "RIGHT" to fly on privately owned airliners. We have a choice and that is our freedom. If we "CHOOSE" to fly we chose to be searched.
     
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    Those who repeat this quote have no idea what an essential liberty is. That's why they say it. They would give up a permanent safety for a trivial liberty.
     
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    Funny, the last twenty years show that when Republicans are in power, we are less safe and have less liberty.

    See: Terrorist attacks.

    Ask: Pregnant women, gays, blacks, Muslims......

    Point to: Voter suppression.

    Look at: Rapidly aging infrastructure.

    What else can you say?
     
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    Yes, and this was done by the Bush Regime w/Herr Rumsfeld and Herr Vader, I mean Herr Cheney. All with the cheering of folks on the Right like yourself, and all the Republicans. If the Bush Regime was a Star Wars episode/movie it would be titled 'Rise of The Neo-Cons'

    The idea of "safety" as was made popular during the Neo-Con phase of Government is a myth. It's a political dog-whistle to gather the troops of support. There's no such thing as "safety," anything can happen to any of us at any time. The party that proports to be Christians should know better. It's really sickening!
     
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    If the poll refers to the Patriot Act that is anathema to Ron Paul supporters, then I would answer the poll 'no', I don't think we have given up essential liberties at all in order to provide the government the tools it needs to perform its constitutionally mandated function to provide the common defense.

    If the poll refers to financially crushing and destablilizing federal entitlements, the ever more intrusive regulations dictating what products we may or may not buy, and the unconscionable assault on personal liberties in ObamaCare, then I would answer the poll "yes", we are absolutely handing over our freedoms, piece by piece, to an ever more authoritarian government.
     
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    Very well stated. "Bumping" so others can see this.
     

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