Have the Democrats Failed Enough?

[The Rabbi]

The Dems took control of Congress in 06 promising the most ethical and open Congress in history, among other things. Obama won the presidency in 08. Dems have virtually controlled gov't for the last 5 years and we see the results: record deficits, record unemployment, and record poverty. Abroad we have been defeated in Iraq and Afghanistan, snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Our allies are angry with us and our enemies are gloating.
Is this enough for the American people to say we have had enough euro-socialism in our lives? Will Americans vote the scoundrels out in 2012 and relegate the Democrats to the status of Whig Parrty of the 21st century?

 

[editec]

The Dems took control of Congress in 06 promising the most ethical and open Congress in history, among other things. Obama won the presidency in 08. Dems have virtually controlled gov't for the last 5 years and we see the results: record deficits, record unemployment, and record poverty. Abroad we have been defeated in Iraq and Afghanistan, snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Our allies are angry with us and our enemies are gloating.
Is this enough for the American people to say we have had enough euro-socialism in our lives? Will Americans vote the scoundrels out in 2012 and relegate the Democrats to the status of Whig Parrty of the 21st century?

The real question for people not blinded by political partisanship is:

When will the American people overturn of the sham of the two party system that, thanks to nearly 40 years of anti-working class policies and tax policies, has brought us record deficits, record unemployment, and record poverty?

 

[The Rabbi]

Also record prosperity.
I would take the two party system over any other system I've seen.

 

[Mad Scientist]

You're missing his point Rabbi. Don't be so blinded by Party loyalty that you put it before your country. As you know, George Washington was against Political Parties because it would do exactly what's happening now.

Face the facts: The Two Party system is the best way to Divide and Conquer us isn't it? Then Liberal vs. Conservative after that.

Obama is doing the same things that Bush did before him. There's a reason for that: Special Interests and International Bankers own the vast majority of Politicians. If the partisans would take their blinders off they'd see that.

 

[The Rabbi]

You're missing his point Rabbi. Don't be so blinded by Party loyalty that you put it before your country. As you know, George Washington was against Political Parties because it would do exactly what's happening now.

Face the facts: The Two Party system is the best way to Divide and Conquer us isn't it? Then Liberal vs. Conservative after that.

Obama is doing the same things that Bush did before him. There's a reason for that: Special Interests and International Bankers own the vast majority of Politicians. If the partisans would take their blinders off they'd see that.

Obama is doing the same things as Bush? Are you kidding? When did Bush rail against millionaires and billionaires? Who wrote Bush's No Child Left Behind bill? How many Democrats voted for war with Iraq?

I would take the 2 party system over any other system I've seen in other countries.

 

[WatertheTree]

The Dems took control of Congress in 06 promising the most ethical and open Congress in history, among other things. Obama won the presidency in 08. Dems have virtually controlled gov't for the last 5 years and we see the results: record deficits, record unemployment, and record poverty. Abroad we have been defeated in Iraq and Afghanistan, snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Our allies are angry with us and our enemies are gloating.
Is this enough for the American people to say we have had enough euro-socialism in our lives? Will Americans vote the scoundrels out in 2012 and relegate the Democrats to the status of Whig Parrty of the 21st century?

Not enough for my vote to go to either Rick Perry or Mit Romney. Suck it corporate liberal.

 

[The Rabbi]

The Dems took control of Congress in 06 promising the most ethical and open Congress in history, among other things. Obama won the presidency in 08. Dems have virtually controlled gov't for the last 5 years and we see the results: record deficits, record unemployment, and record poverty. Abroad we have been defeated in Iraq and Afghanistan, snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Our allies are angry with us and our enemies are gloating.
Is this enough for the American people to say we have had enough euro-socialism in our lives? Will Americans vote the scoundrels out in 2012 and relegate the Democrats to the status of Whig Parrty of the 21st century?

Not enough for my vote to go to either Rick Perry or Mit Romney. Suck it corporate liberal.

So you're supporting Obama for a second term. Got it.

 

[WatertheTree]

The Dems took control of Congress in 06 promising the most ethical and open Congress in history, among other things. Obama won the presidency in 08. Dems have virtually controlled gov't for the last 5 years and we see the results: record deficits, record unemployment, and record poverty. Abroad we have been defeated in Iraq and Afghanistan, snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Our allies are angry with us and our enemies are gloating.
Is this enough for the American people to say we have had enough euro-socialism in our lives? Will Americans vote the scoundrels out in 2012 and relegate the Democrats to the status of Whig Parrty of the 21st century?

Not enough for my vote to go to either Rick Perry or Mit Romney. Suck it corporate liberal.

So you're supporting Obama for a second term. Got it.

No right now I am supporting Ron Paul cause he wants to cut funding to the status quo corporate pigs that have there hands out to the government. GOP gives nominationates Mit, Rick, or Cain and I will be voting for more Obama. I suspect most indipendants agree with me.

 

[Hoot]

The Dems took control of Congress in 06...

You been Hannitized!

This is an oft repeated lie, spoken by right wing political pundents, which has no real basis in fact.

After the '06 elections, the Senate was 49 Dems to 49 Repubs, with two independents, and one of those independents campaigned for McCain.

How does that equate to controlling the Senate?

In the House, yes...the Dems had about a 30 vote majority...out of 435 members!

Wow! That's some control of congress, isn't it?

 

[Nic_Driver]

Have the Democrats Failed Enough?

Fallacy: Begging the Question

This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because simply assuming that the conclusion is true (directly or indirectly) in the premises does not constitute evidence for that conclusion.

 

[The Rabbi]

The Dems took control of Congress in 06...

You been Hannitized!

This is an oft repeated lie, spoken by right wing political pundents, which has no real basis in fact.

After the '06 elections, the Senate was 49 Dems to 49 Repubs, with two independents, and one of those independents campaigned for McCain.

How does that equate to controlling the Senate?

In the House, yes...the Dems had about a 30 vote majority...out of 435 members!

Wow! That's some control of congress, isn't it?

Of the 49 Republicans, that includes Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins, who vote with the Dems most of the time. Only since the disaster of 2008 have they gotten around to supporting the GOP.
Which independent campaigned for McCain? You can't mean Joe Lieberman, who caucuses with the Democrats, right? And the other independent wouldn't have been Bernie Sanders, who also caucuses with Democrats, right? You are a liar.
The fact is the Dems controlled Congress, and Bush bent over backwards to work with them. And we see the results today.

 

[G.T.]

Why should anyone pay any attention to the insights of a person who is hell-bent partisan over being rational, decent, etc.?

They shouldn't.

 

[8537]

The Dems took control of Congress in 06...

You been Hannitized!

This is an oft repeated lie, spoken by right wing political pundents, which has no real basis in fact.

After the '06 elections, the Senate was 49 Dems to 49 Repubs, with two independents, and one of those independents campaigned for McCain.

How does that equate to controlling the Senate?

In the House, yes...the Dems had about a 30 vote majority...out of 435 members!

Wow! That's some control of congress, isn't it?

Of the 49 Republicans, that includes Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins, who vote with the Dems most of the time. Only since the disaster of 2008 have they gotten around to supporting the GOP.
Which independent campaigned for McCain? You can't mean Joe Lieberman, who caucuses with the Democrats, right? And the other independent wouldn't have been Bernie Sanders, who also caucuses with Democrats, right? You are a liar.
The fact is the Dems controlled Congress, and Bush bent over backwards to work with them. And we see the results today.

Olympia Snowe votes with her party 75% of the time.
Susan Collins votes with her party 73% of the time.

And yet somehow, an evenly divided Senate that took office in January 2007 reverse-engineered the housing market, causing a collapse in the market that started in the middle of 2006. Who knew they were so powerful!?

 

[Mad Scientist]

You're missing his point Rabbi. Don't be so blinded by Party loyalty that you put it before your country. As you know, George Washington was against Political Parties because it would do exactly what's happening now.

Face the facts: The Two Party system is the best way to Divide and Conquer us isn't it? Then Liberal vs. Conservative after that.

Obama is doing the same things that Bush did before him. There's a reason for that: Special Interests and International Bankers own the vast majority of Politicians. If the partisans would take their blinders off they'd see that.

Obama is doing the same things as Bush? Are you kidding? When did Bush rail against millionaires and billionaires? Who wrote Bush's No Child Left Behind bill? How many Democrats voted for war with Iraq?

I would take the 2 party system over any other system I've seen in other countries.

Obama re-authorized the Patriot Act. Bush only had two wars, Obama has at least five.

"No Child Left Behind" Co Authored by: Sen. Edward Kennedy.

Senate Resolution for the Iraq War passed 77-23. All that voted against were Democrats. The Republicans had a 51-49 advantage at that time and that means 26 Democrats voted for the war.

You couldn't find this info yourself?

 

[The Rabbi]

You're missing his point Rabbi. Don't be so blinded by Party loyalty that you put it before your country. As you know, George Washington was against Political Parties because it would do exactly what's happening now.

Face the facts: The Two Party system is the best way to Divide and Conquer us isn't it? Then Liberal vs. Conservative after that.

Obama is doing the same things that Bush did before him. There's a reason for that: Special Interests and International Bankers own the vast majority of Politicians. If the partisans would take their blinders off they'd see that.

Obama is doing the same things as Bush? Are you kidding? When did Bush rail against millionaires and billionaires? Who wrote Bush's No Child Left Behind bill? How many Democrats voted for war with Iraq?

I would take the 2 party system over any other system I've seen in other countries.

Obama re-authorized the Patriot Act. Bush only had two wars, Obama has at least five.

"No Child Left Behind" Co Authored by: Sen. Edward Kennedy.

Senate Resolution for the Iraq War passed 77-23. All that voted against were Democrats. The Republicans had a 51-49 advantage at that time and that means 26 Democrats voted for the war.

You couldn't find this info yourself?

Apparently you couldn't. Glad to see your research skills have improved. So you know that Bush acted with bipartisan support on most issues, which Obama does not. You know that Bush did not attack millionaires and billionaires, which Obama does. You know that Bush did not engage in undermining the rule of law through the Chrysler and GM bankruptcies, which obama did.
So claiming that Obama and Bush do the same things is clearly wrong. You've shown that yourself.

 

[Mad Scientist]

Obama is doing the same things as Bush? Are you kidding? When did Bush rail against millionaires and billionaires? Who wrote Bush's No Child Left Behind bill? How many Democrats voted for war with Iraq?

I would take the 2 party system over any other system I've seen in other countries.

Obama re-authorized the Patriot Act. Bush only had two wars, Obama has at least five.

"No Child Left Behind" Co Authored by: Sen. Edward Kennedy.

Senate Resolution for the Iraq War passed 77-23. All that voted against were Democrats. The Republicans had a 51-49 advantage at that time and that means 26 Democrats voted for the war.

You couldn't find this info yourself?

Apparently you couldn't. Glad to see your research skills have improved. So you know that Bush acted with bipartisan support on most issues, which Obama does not. You know that Bush did not attack millionaires and billionaires, which Obama does. You know that Bush did not engage in undermining the rule of law through the Chrysler and GM bankruptcies, which obama did.
So claiming that Obama and Bush do the same things is clearly wrong. You've shown that yourself.

Did you go to school in a foreign Country? Is English not your first Language?

The Patriot Act IS undermining the rule of law!

Bush issued 161 signing statements.
Obama has issued 16 so far.

Bipartisanship? You mean like the Unconstitutional Super Congress that has 6 treasonous Republicans in it? You mean that kind of Bi-Partisanship?

Obama is at the top of that one. You gonna' give him credit for that?

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Is this enough for the American people to say we have had enough euro-socialism in our lives? Will Americans vote the scoundrels out in 2012 and relegate the Democrats to the status of Whig Parrty of the 21st century?

Gee......I thought Snooki Palin was handling all that!

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[007]

The Dems took control of Congress in 06 promising the most ethical and open Congress in history, among other things. Obama won the presidency in 08. Dems have virtually controlled gov't for the last 5 years and we see the results: record deficits, record unemployment, and record poverty. Abroad we have been defeated in Iraq and Afghanistan, snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Our allies are angry with us and our enemies are gloating.
Is this enough for the American people to say we have had enough euro-socialism in our lives? Will Americans vote the scoundrels out in 2012 and relegate the Democrats to the status of Whig Parrty of the 21st century?

We should just do away with our two party system, but besides that, liberalism should be outlawed. It is the main destructive force via it's socialist, hedonist, godless agenda in America.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Why should anyone pay any attention to the insights of a person who is hell-bent partisan over being rational, decent, etc.?

They shouldn't.

True, considering the fact the OP and those in agreement with him have provided no evidence in support of the premise.

Fallacy: Begging the Question

This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because simply assuming that the conclusion is true (directly or indirectly) in the premises does not constitute evidence for that conclusion.

And given the fact the premise is a fallacy.

 

[Mad Scientist]

The Dems took control of Congress in 06 promising the most ethical and open Congress in history, among other things. Obama won the presidency in 08. Dems have virtually controlled gov't for the last 5 years and we see the results: record deficits, record unemployment, and record poverty. Abroad we have been defeated in Iraq and Afghanistan, snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Our allies are angry with us and our enemies are gloating.
Is this enough for the American people to say we have had enough euro-socialism in our lives? Will Americans vote the scoundrels out in 2012 and relegate the Democrats to the status of Whig Parrty of the 21st century?

We should just do away with our two party system, but besides that, liberalism should be outlawed. It is the main destructive force via it's socialist, hedonist, godless agenda in America.

If Americans would just pay attention to what the candidates say instead of just focusing on Party Affiliation, Liberalism would die a natural death because it couldn't hide behind deceptive labeling anylonger.