Hate the Sin, But Love the Sinner?

[dilloduck]

Aren't all sins actually God's fault since He gave us the ability to sin? And how much easier for Him to forgive a sinner if he is ultimately responsible.

You got a point--being God has so many advantages. ( he can eat all the red meat he wants too ! )

 

[Amanda]

Hate the sin but love the sinner...... Can you really do that....?

It does not appear that way....

So what does that mean?

Jesus Christ COULD do such, and did do such many times in the Bible....giving complete forgiveness, washing away the sinner's sin can be describe no other way than to say He loved us, with heart, body and soul....

But can we humans really humble ourselves enough to do such?

Can we release our own PRIDE and admit that we too are sinners in our own ways and that our sins are "no better" than the sins of the adulteress that Jesus forgave, as example?

Can we LOVE enough to forgive all sins of others?

I try.

 

[Amanda]

Hate the sin but love the sinner...... Can you really do that....?

Depends on the sin...and the sinner, doesn't it?

No.

 

[Amanda]

When I hear people talking about all the bad things God does or allows to happen I have to think people are just trying to come up with reasons to convince themselves that they shouldn't trust in God. I think if we could somehow make a list each day of all the good and bad things that happen we'd find that far, far more good happens everyday than bad. Of course most people take much of the good for granted so they don't see it, or won't acknowledge it, but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

 

[Anguille]

Hate the sin but love the sinner...... Can you really do that....?

It does not appear that way....

So what does that mean?

Jesus Christ COULD do such, and did do such many times in the Bible....giving complete forgiveness, washing away the sinner's sin can be describe no other way than to say He loved us, with heart, body and soul....

But can we humans really humble ourselves enough to do such?

Can we release our own PRIDE and admit that we too are sinners in our own ways and that our sins are "no better" than the sins of the adulteress that Jesus forgave, as example?

What are you feeling guilty about, Care?

 

[ABikerSailor]

Well......you know......Yeshua (Jesus) put the 10 commandments into 1 simple sentence.

Love one another as you would love yourself, but above all else, love God.

The reason? Well......according to the Torah, our soul is a small piece of God that He carved out from under His Throne with the blade of self-will, which means that we have a choice to go towards Him or run away.

Sin is when you run away from God and hide your face, because you experience the burning of shame, so you hide your face. It is also reflected in your behavior, because if you treat another person badly, you are actually treating a small piece of God (their soul) badly, which is a sin.

If a person turns away from God, we are supposed to recognize that, and then gently take the person aside, and ask them why they are running away? Then, if they are willing to listen, slowly guide them back to Him.

By the way, that belief that everyone is a small piece of God? It's also reflected in Buddhism.

As far as the whole 10 commandments thing, think about this........

The first 3 are there to remind us who God is, and how we are supposed to act towards Him.

The next one is "thou shalt not murder", not "thou shalt not kill". BIG difference.

The rest after that? Well.......if you commit adultry, you run the risk of having someone want to murder you because you slept with their mate. If you steal or lie? Same deal.

Then, we are supposed to remember family, "honor thy father and mother", as well as remember to take some time to commune with God "honor the Sabbath and keep it Holy".

Is it possible to hate the sin and not the sinner? Yep. Why hate someone for going in the wrong direction? Point 'em the right way and move on.

Simple.

 

[Bass v 2.0]

Hate the sin but love the sinner...... Can you really do that....?

It does not appear that way....

So what does that mean?

Jesus Christ COULD do such, and did do such many times in the Bible....giving complete forgiveness, washing away the sinner's sin can be describe no other way than to say He loved us, with heart, body and soul....

But can we humans really humble ourselves enough to do such?

Can we release our own PRIDE and admit that we too are sinners in our own ways and that our sins are "no better" than the sins of the adulteress that Jesus forgave, as example?

Can we LOVE enough to forgive all sins of others?

Hating the sin but loving the person can easily be done and is done every day. When a child or a friend does something wrong you admonish them because you hate the sin, but that doesn't mean you don't love them. If the Bass' niece stole from a store the Bass would hate the fact that she stole because stealing is a sin, but he would not hate his niece and isn't hating his niece by hating her act of thievery.

 

[ABikerSailor]

But, in the eyes of Chucking Ass, it doesn't apply to homosexuals.

 

[Care4all]

Hate the sin but love the sinner...... Can you really do that....?

It does not appear that way....

So what does that mean?

Jesus Christ COULD do such, and did do such many times in the Bible....giving complete forgiveness, washing away the sinner's sin can be describe no other way than to say He loved us, with heart, body and soul....

But can we humans really humble ourselves enough to do such?

Can we release our own PRIDE and admit that we too are sinners in our own ways and that our sins are "no better" than the sins of the adulteress that Jesus forgave, as example?

Can we LOVE enough to forgive all sins of others?

Hating the sin but loving the person can easily be done and is done every day. When a child or a friend does something wrong you admonish them because you hate the sin, but that doesn't mean you don't love them. If the Bass' niece stole from a store the Bass would hate the fact that she stole because stealing is a sin, but he would not hate his niece and isn't hating his niece by hating her act of thievery.

Ahhhhhhhhh, but even a thief or murderer loves his own mother....

In other words, WHAT ABOUT the stranger, not a family member...because as the Bible states, even murderers love their own mom? Can you treat others, the stranger, in the same loving manner as your niece, if they steal? Or the gay man....can you treat him in the same loving manner as you treat your niece when she sinned?

Care

 

[Immanuel]

Aren't all sins actually God's fault since He gave us the ability to sin? And how much easier for Him to forgive a sinner if he is ultimately responsible.

That's like saying it's the State's fault if we hit someone while driving because the State provides the licence and the rules.

You know, if I ever get in another crash and it is my fault, I think I might just give that argument a try. You never know, I might find a liberal judge who will buy it.

Immie

 

[Father Time]

Aren't all sins actually God's fault since He gave us the ability to sin? And how much easier for Him to forgive a sinner if he is ultimately responsible.

That's like saying it's the State's fault if we hit someone while driving because the State provides the licence and the rules.

Reminds me of something Carlin said for getting into traffic accidents.

It's none of your concern, the whole thing happened outside of your car. Legally speaking these people were on city property at the time you ran them over, you are not responsible. If they don't like it let them sue them city.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Why do people have so much trouble with this concept? Anyone who has ever truly loved another human being has done this very thing. Do our children not - sometimes frequently - commit acts that we despise and abhor and punish them for? Of course. Do we still love our children? I would hope so. I don't know of a single married person whose spouse hasn't, at least once, done something that made that person contemplate divorce. But if they remained together, it was because he or she found a way to continue loving the sinner despite the hated sin.

And when you get right down to it, we do this with ourselves all the time. There isn't one of us who hasn't done things in our lives that we hated and acted in ways that made us deeply ashamed and guilty. But we never have any trouble continuing to love ourselves and want what's best for ourselves. And after all, didn't God instruct us to love our neighbors as ourselves?

 

[Avatar4321]

Sometimes it seems more like love the sin, hate the sinner

 

[Father Time]

Sometimes it seems more like love the sin, hate the sinner

What you mean sadists?

 

[Bass v 2.0]

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In other words, WHAT ABOUT the stranger, not a family member...because as the Bible states, even murderers love their own mom? Can you treat others, the stranger, in the same loving manner as your niece, if they steal? Or the gay man....can you treat him in the same loving manner as you treat your niece when she sinned?

Care

This is a jackass of a question, do you love strangers just as much and or even more than your own family? One can respect strangers and treat them as human beings without disrespecting them, but accepting and loving the things that they do wrong is not needed to accomplish this. What does a murderer loving his mother have to do with this? Thats non-sequitir. You people have some kind of twisted view on what love is, when one disciplines their children for doing something wrong its done out of love[unless you're just as abusive person, the exception] and to prevent them from doing self destructive acts, by loving their sins and not admonishing them you're making it worse.


Bottom line, it is possible and its reality that people love people without loving the wrong, sick and sinful things that people do, God set the perfect example, he loves all humans but doesn't love the murder, rape, thieving, adultery, lying and homosexuality that humans do.

 

[AVG-JOE]

Hate the sin but love the sinner...... Can you really do that....?

It does not appear that way....

So what does that mean?

Jesus Christ COULD do such, and did do such many times in the Bible....giving complete forgiveness, washing away the sinner's sin can be describe no other way than to say He loved us, with heart, body and soul....

But can we humans really humble ourselves enough to do such?

Can we release our own PRIDE and admit that we too are sinners in our own ways and that our sins are "no better" than the sins of the adulteress that Jesus forgave, as example?

Can we LOVE enough to forgive all sins of others?

I suppose I could forgive just about anything of just about anyone, so long as we had an understanding of behavior in the matter going forward.

-Joe

 

[AVG-JOE]

Hate the sin but love the sinner...... Can you really do that....?

It does not appear that way....

So what does that mean?

Jesus Christ COULD do such, and did do such many times in the Bible....giving complete forgiveness, washing away the sinner's sin can be describe no other way than to say He loved us, with heart, body and soul....

But can we humans really humble ourselves enough to do such?

Can we release our own PRIDE and admit that we too are sinners in our own ways and that our sins are "no better" than the sins of the adulteress that Jesus forgave, as example?

What are you feeling guilty about, Care?

Careful Ang... you'll get a reputation as the board psychologist

Or worse... The USMB Mother!!

-Joe

 

[AVG-JOE]

Hate the sin but love the sinner...... Can you really do that....?

It does not appear that way....

So what does that mean?

Jesus Christ COULD do such, and did do such many times in the Bible....giving complete forgiveness, washing away the sinner's sin can be describe no other way than to say He loved us, with heart, body and soul....

But can we humans really humble ourselves enough to do such?

Can we release our own PRIDE and admit that we too are sinners in our own ways and that our sins are "no better" than the sins of the adulteress that Jesus forgave, as example?

What are you feeling guilty about, Care?

Careful Ang... you'll get a reputation as the board psychologist

Or worse.... The USMB Mother!!

-Joe

 

[Care4all]

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In other words, WHAT ABOUT the stranger, not a family member...because as the Bible states, even murderers love their own mom? Can you treat others, the stranger, in the same loving manner as your niece, if they steal? Or the gay man....can you treat him in the same loving manner as you treat your niece when she sinned?

Care

This is a jackass of a question, do you love strangers just as much and or even more than your own family? One can respect strangers and treat them as human beings without disrespecting them, but accepting and loving the things that they do wrong is not needed to accomplish this. What does a murderer loving his mother have to do with this? Thats non-sequitir. You people have some kind of twisted view on what love is, when one disciplines their children for doing something wrong its done out of love[unless you're just as abusive person, the exception] and to prevent them from doing self destructive acts, by loving their sins and not admonishing them you're making it worse.


Bottom line, it is possible and its reality that people love people without loving the wrong, sick and sinful things that people do, God set the perfect example, he loves all humans but doesn't love the murder, rape, thieving, adultery, lying and homosexuality that humans do.

I did not say the sin should not be admonished....nice try....

Take your rant up with God, He's the one who said it....

you either believe in His word and follow His word or you don't, so what is it Charlie?

Care

 

[Avatar4321]

Sometimes it seems more like love the sin, hate the sinner

What you mean sadists?

No. I was talking more about hypocrites.