Hate crime or stupid teenage prank?

chanel

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The future of Dharun Ravi, a former Rutgers University student charged with secretly viewing his roommate in a sexual encounter with another man, could rest on how jurors interpret his actions.

In opening arguments Friday at Ravi's trial, a Superior Court jury heard two versions of a case that gay-rights advocates say underscores the problems of harassment and bullying faced by homosexual teenagers. The story attracted international attention after Ravi's roommate, Tyler Clementi, 18, committed suicide by jumping off the George Washington Bridge days after learning that Ravi had used a laptop webcam to spy on him with a man.

McClure called Ravi's actions "malicious and criminal," and argued that he set out to harass and intimidate Clementi because he was gay.

Ravi, who will turn 20 on Tuesday, is not a bigot and is not homophobic, Altman said.

At the time of the incidents described in the criminal case, he said, his client was "an 18-year-old boy" beginning his first year in college. Ravi "might have been stupid," Altman said, "but he certainly wasn't a criminal."

Trial begins for former Rutgers student Ravi

Being somewhat familiar with the stupidity of 18 year old boys, I don't believe Ravi should have to spend 10 years in jail. On the other hand, I do believe there should be consequences - even for stupidity.

Comments?
 
One thing is for sure, Clementi was deeply ashamed of his homosexuality.

I wonder if he was born with that shame or if he chose it? :dunno:
 
One thing is for sure, Clementi was deeply ashamed of his homosexuality.

I wonder if he was born with that shame or if he chose it? :dunno:


We'll never know for sure, but we do know he chose to end his homosexuality.
 
Apparently his mother wasn't too thrilled about it either. People don't jump off bridges because of embarrassment. That kid was suffering long before he met Ravi, IMHO.

A "hate" crime would have to involve pure hatred. I don't think they will be able to prove that. The boys were friendly.
 
It was on par with some of the things we did in college. Nothing was off limits

Ravi is a first class asshole, but I don't think it was criminal beyond invasion of privacy. Ravi will pay for the rest of his life and will be a social outcast

Ohhhh....he was THAT guy?
 
If it was a hate crime, it was not a hate crime because the roommate was homosexual. It was because he was a nerd with poor social skills. Would Ravi have filmed and posted the video on You Tube if it was a heterosexual encounter? Sure. If it was a football jock and the prom queen, No.

We need nerd protection.
 
You think the guy would have been happy to help Ravi out with his obvious desire to watch some gay porn.
 
It was on par with some of the things we did in college. Nothing was off limits

Ravi is a first class asshole, but I don't think it was criminal beyond invasion of privacy. Ravi will pay for the rest of his life and will be a social outcast

Ohhhh....he was THAT guy?

Negs on the way :D
 
It would be interesting to note if the accused feared contracting the AIDS virus from being forced to share a room with a man who engaged in (random?) homosexual sodomy. What if the administration denied a request for a room change.
 
The future of Dharun Ravi, a former Rutgers University student charged with secretly viewing his roommate in a sexual encounter with another man, could rest on how jurors interpret his actions.

In opening arguments Friday at Ravi's trial, a Superior Court jury heard two versions of a case that gay-rights advocates say underscores the problems of harassment and bullying faced by homosexual teenagers. The story attracted international attention after Ravi's roommate, Tyler Clementi, 18, committed suicide by jumping off the George Washington Bridge days after learning that Ravi had used a laptop webcam to spy on him with a man.

McClure called Ravi's actions "malicious and criminal," and argued that he set out to harass and intimidate Clementi because he was gay.

Ravi, who will turn 20 on Tuesday, is not a bigot and is not homophobic, Altman said.

At the time of the incidents described in the criminal case, he said, his client was "an 18-year-old boy" beginning his first year in college. Ravi "might have been stupid," Altman said, "but he certainly wasn't a criminal."

Trial begins for former Rutgers student Ravi

Being somewhat familiar with the stupidity of 18 year old boys, I don't believe Ravi should have to spend 10 years in jail. On the other hand, I do believe there should be consequences - even for stupidity.

Comments?

Even thought this is a tragic moment in time.

:lol:

Who knew Ravi was dood?

Seriously, I had to re-read that more than a few times to get all the :lol: out of my system.

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Whatever the charge is for invasion of privacy is, should be the most he should face.

But if this occurred in a dorm, that they shared, there is no privacy and therefore no crime.

The bloviators are trying to ruin another life b/c a gay wasn't strong enough to face the facts of what he is.
 
A "hate" crime would have to involve pure hatred. I don't think they will be able to prove that. The boys were friendly.

McClure, however, said Ravi's intent was clear from e-mails and text messages he sent to friends in which he mocked Clementi and invited others to connect to his live iChat Web stream to see for themselves. He tried a second time on Sept. 21 when Clementi again met with M.B., she said, but authorities said Clementi had turned off Ravi's computer.

Based on the above and the statute, it is a hate crime:

a. Bias Intimidation. A person is guilty of the crime of bias intimidation if he commits, attempts to commit, conspires with another to commit, or threatens the immediate commission of an offense specified in chapters 11 through 18 of Title 2C of the New Jersey Statutes; N.J.S.2C:33-4; N.J.S.2C:39-3; N.J.S.2C:39-4 or N.J.S.2C:39-5,
(1) with a purpose to intimidate an individual or group of individuals because of race, color, religion, gender, handicap, sexual orientation, or ethnicity; or
(2) knowing that the conduct constituting the offense would cause an individual or group of individuals to be intimidated because of race, color, religion, gender, handicap, sexual orientation, or ethnicity; or
(3) under circumstances that caused any victim of the underlying offense to be intimidated and the victim, considering the manner in which the offense was committed, reasonably believed either that (a) the offense was committed with a purpose to intimidate the victim or any person or entity in whose welfare the victim is interested because of race, color, religion, gender, handicap, sexual orientation, or ethnicity, or (b) the victim or the victim's property was selected to be the target of the offense because of the victim's race, color, religion, gender, handicap, sexual orientation, or ethnicity.

New Jersey Statute Directory - NJSA 2C:16-1. Bias intimidation.

The defendant allegedly committed the crime at the age of 18, he is no ‘boy’ and the act was no ‘prank.’
 
The truth will come out in the trial. One thing for sure, he's a giant fucking asshole and now the whole wrold knows it. At the very least they should throw the book at him for whatever privacy crimes he broke, give him community service and make him go through sensitivity training.
 
It would be pretty hard to get some kind of invasion of privacy complaint because this was HIS dorm room too.
 
It would be pretty hard to get some kind of invasion of privacy complaint because this was HIS dorm room too.

Cameras are pretty strong evidence

If I put cameras in MY HOUSE and film your wife using the bathroom have I invaded her privacy?
 
It would be interesting to note if the accused feared contracting the AIDS virus from being forced to share a room with a man who engaged in (random?) homosexual sodomy. What if the administration denied a request for a room change.

what if your head wasn't completely up your ass?

would you have to buy earmuffs?
 

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