Has the Tea Party overreached?

[Annie]

Give me a link showing the Tea Party influence is growing. You won't find one...but I will wait. If interest rates rise, due to the Tea Party dogma, voters are not going to forget. They will defiitely pay. Never before in US history has a party held the debt ceiling hostage, as they have. It could become ugly for them...

Everybody who is not a retard knows that it is the BO and his minions holding up the process.....repubs have submitted responsible plan after plan....Dims keep shelving them and then calling repubs "hostage" takers.....pure unadulterated BS...

Any Plan that forces the Middle Class and lower to make all the additional sacrifices(in the way of SS and Medicare cuts), while the wealthy get away with no additional sacrifice in the way of closing loopholes and whatnot is not responsible, it's just more oligarchical pandering.

Once again... when Obama talked about $4T over 10 years of cuts with minimal Revenue increases(the Corporate Jet type stuff), why did the Tea Party and GOP walk away from that kind of offer? Answer... because it's not really about the debt. It's about Ideology and Politics.

When was this scored? I missed that. I missed the plan altogether, though I did hear of 'talk', no action.

 

[Steelplate]

Everybody who is not a retard knows that it is the BO and his minions holding up the process.....repubs have submitted responsible plan after plan....Dims keep shelving them and then calling repubs "hostage" takers.....pure unadulterated BS...

Any Plan that forces the Middle Class and lower to make all the additional sacrifices(in the way of SS and Medicare cuts), while the wealthy get away with no additional sacrifice in the way of closing loopholes and whatnot is not responsible, it's just more oligarchical pandering.

Once again... when Obama talked about $4T over 10 years of cuts with minimal Revenue increases(the Corporate Jet type stuff), why did the Tea Party and GOP walk away from that kind of offer? Answer... because it's not really about the debt. It's about Ideology and Politics.

Are you daft...? "Corporate Jet type stuff" is not what's pushing us into bankruptcy.....it's BO's extreme spending plus the entitlement program spending....and if we don't start doing something to save Medicare it is going to go broke very quickly....and then there won't be ANY medical service at all for grandma and grandpa...

And if you really believe in Obama's $4T over 10 years of cuts i have a bridge i'd like to sell ya...

But you are correct....this whole argument is really over funding Ideology.....do you want a Euro-trashed failed Socialist State or a vibrant Free Market Capitalist one....?

You still don't get it(and you call me daft). The cuts were there... major cuts... HUGE Cuts(when you look at it from a Progressive point of view). All that was asked was a little... Even you said it... it wouldn't even have made a dent. That's why it was a good deal. You could have gotten HUGE cuts with not much of anything in the way of taxes. It was a softball compromise that should have been hit out of the park. But you guys are so ridiculously married to your ideology that you walked away from an actual solid debt reduction agenda.

It was stupid. That's why the Tea Party will probably end up imploding upon itself. You know why willow and palm trees don't seem to snap or get uprooted in violent storms nearly as much as hardwood trees? Because they are strong enough to bend.

It's a shame too.... the Tea Party has a role in this country. All points of view do. They could be the perfect watch dog in regards to government waste and fraud and unnecessary Programs. But the problem is that you guys are so extreme, almost all programs are deemed unnecessary to you. You hate government and want to see it crippled instead of logically and thoughtfully streamlined.

 

[Steelplate]

All political parties will experience flux in their infancy. But, however hard you try to suggest to the contrary, their ideals will still be attractive to many voters. The Tea Party is very similar to the UK's alternative political voice, UKIP (who I'm a card carrying member of and volunteer on behalf of). Even if the current Tea Party is forced to disolve out of either financial mismanagement or an idealogical split, their core ideals will resurface in the near future in some form or another.

Yeah, they could come back as....Nazis or the KKK...

What always cracks me up. Nazis or the KKK. Prove your point. Do it. Sitting here waiting for you to prove that right wingers are Nazis or KKK.

By all means go for my throat on this. Please. Show me.

you mind if I jump in here a little? I don't think they are nazi's or KKK. They are, however extremists. Extreme ideology attracts radicals. There is also the element of Corporatism that the Tea Party embraces. If you look at Nazi Germany and Italy under Mussolini... they both had those same elements. So, while I don't think that they are Nazi's or KKK, the ingredients are there for it to happen.

yeah, I know... Obama's a Kenyan Communist....

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Any Plan that forces the Middle Class and lower to make all the additional sacrifices(in the way of SS and Medicare cuts), while the wealthy get away with no additional sacrifice in the way of closing loopholes and whatnot is not responsible, it's just more oligarchical pandering.

Once again... when Obama talked about $4T over 10 years of cuts with minimal Revenue increases(the Corporate Jet type stuff), why did the Tea Party and GOP walk away from that kind of offer? Answer... because it's not really about the debt. It's about Ideology and Politics.

Are you daft...? "Corporate Jet type stuff" is not what's pushing us into bankruptcy.....it's BO's extreme spending plus the entitlement program spending....and if we don't start doing something to save Medicare it is going to go broke very quickly....and then there won't be ANY medical service at all for grandma and grandpa...

And if you really believe in Obama's $4T over 10 years of cuts i have a bridge i'd like to sell ya...

But you are correct....this whole argument is really over funding Ideology.....do you want a Euro-trashed failed Socialist State or a vibrant Free Market Capitalist one....?

You still don't get it(and you call me daft). The cuts were there... major cuts... HUGE Cuts(when you look at it from a Progressive point of view). All that was asked was a little... Even you said it... it wouldn't even have made a dent. That's why it was a good deal. You could have gotten HUGE cuts with not much of anything in the way of taxes. It was a softball compromise that should have been hit out of the park. But you guys are so ridiculously married to your ideology that you walked away from an actual solid debt reduction agenda.

It was stupid. That's why the Tea Party will probably end up imploding upon itself. You know why willow and palm trees don't seem to snap or get uprooted in violent storms nearly as much as hardwood trees? Because they are strong enough to bend.

It's a shame too.... the Tea Party has a role in this country. All points of view do. They could be the perfect watch dog in regards to government waste and fraud and unnecessary Programs. But the problem is that you guys are so extreme, almost all programs are deemed unnecessary to you. You hate government and want to see it crippled instead of logically and thoughtfully streamlined.

NO....YOU don't get it...

It was NOT a good deal.....if you can even call the BO/Boehner negotiations a "deal".....sure BO was talking 3 or 4 trillion in cuts (not really that HUGE imo) but then he wanted an ADDITIONAL 400B in revenue spending which would have meant taxes for sure.....his "tax and spend now, cut later" approach...which is why Boehner walked out because it was like dealing with JellO....and as i pointed out earlier there was nothing solid about the cuts BO had proposed....or can you point to them in a plan written down somewhere....? you can't....he was...as they say in Texas....all hat and no cattle...

It is also is NOT extreme to want a balanced budget....that is not an "extreme" Tea Party idea...get real and stop drinking the koolaid...

 

[Steelplate]

So... 4T in cuts for $400B in revenues, both over ten years. and you think it was a bad deal. and you call me the "kool aid" drinker?

BTW... who said a balanced budget amendment was a bad Idea? But if you want to tie it to a practice that was heretofore considered a housekeeping action, I disagree strongly. Get this shit settled, THEN bring it up in a bill... like reasonable people would.

To the other poster.... what's the sense of putting it on paper when even just talking about revenues causes you guys to run away like...

 

[Stephanie]

You see how lefties-Liberals are folks. Instead of blaming their Representatives for a hand in all this mess.

They instead ATTACK their fellow Americans.

Even that puke of a President attack the people he supposedly REPRESNETS today in his speech. But REMEMBER-he and they are the GREAT UNITERS.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

So... 4T in cuts for $400B in revenues, both over ten years. and you think it was a bad deal. and you call me the "kool aid" drinker?

BTW... who said a balanced budget amendment was a bad Idea? But if you want to tie it to a practice that was heretofore considered a housekeeping action, I disagree strongly. Get this shit settled, THEN bring it up in a bill... like reasonable people would.

To the other poster.... what's the sense of putting it on paper when even just talking about revenues causes you guys to run away like...

Putting it on paper gives responsible people a solid starting point.....but Obama is like Homer Simpson when it comes to being responsible....

That 400B was in addition to another 800B already agreed upon which evidently Obama sprang upon Boehner at the last moment.....it would have meant a total of 1.2B which BO would spend now....the 3-4T would be cut LATER.....and he probably meant the fake cuts as in Reid's plan....Obama the JellO man...

Boehner was getting nowhere fast with Obama....

and the reasons the balanced budget and the spending cuts were tied to the "housekeeping action" as you call it were to 1) prevent a default as well as future defaults 2) prevent a downgrade 3) become a fiscally responsible nation again to encourage investments and job creation

but evidently the Dems don't really care about fixing the REAL problems....they just want lots more "housekeeping" money like a spendthrift wife...because their goal is to increase government spending....not put it on a sensible budget....

 

[Stephanie]

I think the majority of the people in this country are now realizing the extreme nature of the Tea Party.

Truthfully, I don't mind the Tea Party's Platform of fiscal conservativeness. What I mind is the vitriol that they display on a regular basis that is even evident in this thread. It's as if no other opinion matters but theirs. That attitude, no matter where it's shown on the Ideological spectrum is bad for this country.

They need to stop and realize that all of us are Americans, we are all fellow countrymen and brothers. The pettiness, the venom and the downright hate needs to stop. We aren't in a schoolyard, we are supposed to be adults. I'm not saying that this is only a problem with the Tea Party, but they are by far the worst offenders of this kind of behavior.

That is my beef with the Tea Party. There is no room for bullies and assholes in our legislature. Hopefully, they'll learn their lesson and grow the hell up as a political party and learn to work with the rest of Congress instead of holding their breath till they get their way.

Like I said... I have no problem with their ultra conservative stance.

Oh brother. for one thing, you DON'T KNOW who here belongs to a Tea Party. and second, I guess they should sit back while they are being called, hostage takers, terrorist, etc, etc.
please give us a break, your observations are full OF CRAP.