Has the Tea Party overreached?

I think the majority of the people in this country are now realizing the extreme nature of the Tea Party.

Truthfully, I don't mind the Tea Party's Platform of fiscal conservativeness. What I mind is the vitriol that they display on a regular basis that is even evident in this thread. It's as if no other opinion matters but theirs. That attitude, no matter where it's shown on the Ideological spectrum is bad for this country.

They need to stop and realize that all of us are Americans, we are all fellow countrymen and brothers. The pettiness, the venom and the downright hate needs to stop. We aren't in a schoolyard, we are supposed to be adults. I'm not saying that this is only a problem with the Tea Party, but they are by far the worst offenders of this kind of behavior.

That is my beef with the Tea Party. There is no room for bullies and assholes in our legislature. Hopefully, they'll learn their lesson and grow the hell up as a political party and learn to work with the rest of Congress instead of holding their breath till they get their way.

Like I said... I have no problem with their ultra conservative stance.

Part of the problem is that folks think the rhetoric that's made Rush Limbaugh money is going to also work in government.

Rush can afford to be idealistic and bombastic. He doesn't actually have any say in the process. However once you're in the game, you get no where on your own. At some point you have to come to agree with 217 other Representatives, 60 Senators, and 1 President of the United States. Being bombastic and uncompromising is no way to motivate 278 people to your side, nor is it likely to even win over most of the folks that voted for those 278 people.

Excellent point, and I think that is a lot of it... and if it's not Rush, it's Beck, if it's not Beck, it's Hannity, if it's not Hannity, it's O'Reilly or Greta.

And yes... I know... Maddow, Olbermann, Shultz, etc.... but two wrongs don't make a right, does it?

The weird thing is... on Thursday, my wife and I went to Walden Books(subsidiary of Borders) at our local Mall. Borders is going out of business and everything was 20-40% off. I was browsing through the bargain bin and I found this book by Jimmy Carter called "Our Endangered Values: America's Moral Crisis". I haven't read much of it yet... been pretty busy lately.... but it was written in 2005, and what struck me about it is that in the book, he speaks of fundamentalism and the blurring of the lines of religion and politics, and he expressed his concerns that that polarization and the possible effects of it on the country.

So I have mon/tues/wed off this week and i want to sit down and read it(if I can keep my obsessed ass out of this place(hehe), that is.

Give us a book report on it!
 
I find it disgusting that Congress, while we see what we've done with our spending, refuses to consider a Balanced Budget Amendment while the president seeks a long term answer as his top priority rather than "an answer" to avoid a collapse of our economy ,market and rating.
 
I find it disgusting that Congress, while we see what we've done with our spending, refuses to consider a Balanced Budget Amendment....

Because anyone willing to spend longer than 5 minutes thinking it through knows it's a bad idea. Wars and Natural Disasters are always paid for by credit, because by definition you can't really plan for their costs. A balanced budget amendment would have to have a condition to allow for that, and as such would be too weak to matter.

And again, it's possible the Tea Party comes out on top here. If Obama bypasses then no one will feel the effect of the Tea Party's stand. If there's a default though, they'll likely end up on the trash heap of history.
 

We will know by the next election. The sad truth is that more eligible voters sit out elections than vote, especially in off year elections. If this group of people gets pissed off enough, registers to vote, and then shows up at the polls, many incumbents who were previously sure they could win reelection could actually find themselves out of a job.
 
All political parties will experience flux in their infancy. But, however hard you try to suggest to the contrary, their ideals will still be attractive to many voters. The Tea Party is very similar to the UK's alternative political voice, UKIP (who I'm a card carrying member of and volunteer on behalf of). Even if the current Tea Party is forced to disolve out of either financial mismanagement or an idealogical split, their core ideals will resurface in the near future in some form or another.

Yeah, they could come back as....Nazis or the KKK...:lol:

What a trollish thing to say. I've read your posts for a long time, but this one is so-over-the-top as far as broad brush goes to be meaningless.

The Tea Parties are not a party, thus not going to go the was of NAZI's or KKK. Truth is, the vast majority that agree with the principles are quite liberal regarding social issues. Are there some that claim to 'be the spear' that are far right? Yes. However, they are a small number, statistically significant, yet impotent regarding actualization of policies.
 
Rand Paul just committed ten Republicans to vote for the Reid bill if it contained the Balance Budget Bill Admendment. The Democrats objected. Long night. Once there is a balanced budget, another bill could be passed,asking that a perecentage of revenues going to our debt be allowed to go to a Natural Disaster Fund and citizens could help fund this with credits on their taxes.
 
I find it disgusting that Congress, while we see what we've done with our spending, refuses to consider a Balanced Budget Amendment while the president seeks a long term answer as his top priority rather than "an answer" to avoid a collapse of our economy ,market and rating.

I just heard Reid doing a Q & A after the house voted down his bill. He said he has no problem with a BBA, and is fully willing put it to a vote. But, holding the country hostage for one and the demands that the Debt Ceiling not be raised until it's law is what he refuses to do.

Once again... it's not the Tea Party Platform, it's their asshole like behavior.

I mean... in order for an Amendment to the Constitution to happen. It not only has to pass both Houses of Congress in Washington, it has to go before the Legislature of all 50 states, and it has to be ratified by 3/4 of the states.

To not raise the debt ceiling till all of that happens, and to blow up the economy if the Amendment fails to get ratified, is completely irresponsible and extremely close to extortion.
 
The Tea Party approval rating has now fallen under 30%. The numbers are dwindling and the tricks they have played in Congress will only hurt them.

Poll: Tea Party approval reaches new low - The Hill's Blog Briefing Room

I expect 2012 will be the last election in which they hold any influence.

sure....we all religiously believe in CNN polls.....:eusa_hand:

and it takes DEMagogues like you libtards to call standing up for one's beliefs to be a "trick".....or "asshole like behavior"...
 
A Default could send the Tea Party to the Dumpster.

Why would we default since debt payments are $20 billion a month and tax revenue is $200 billion a month?

You really are math challenged aren't you?

What failure to raise the debt ceiling will look like - Ezra Klein - The Washington Post

I already know liberal ideology, and it's irrelevant to my point. I addressed the word "default." You liberal ideologues keep saying we will "default" on our debt payments. We would not default on our debt payments, we have 10 times the revenue it takes to make them. Don't change the subject to what happens if we stop funding our socialist state, boy chick.
 
The Tea Party approval rating has now fallen under 30%. The numbers are dwindling and the tricks they have played in Congress will only hurt them.

Which would be consistent with the Old Bush Base, as that’s about where his numbers were at the end of his term.

We will know by the next election. The sad truth is that more eligible voters sit out elections than vote, especially in off year elections. If this group of people gets pissed off enough, registers to vote, and then shows up at the polls, many incumbents who were previously sure they could win reelection could actually find themselves out of a job.

True.

We’ll see the return of independent voters and weak democrats (‘Reagan democrats’) to the polls next year to vote for Obama, it’s possible many will go down-ticket – bad news for the GOP.
 
Why would we default since debt payments are $20 billion a month and tax revenue is $200 billion a month?

You really are math challenged aren't you?

What failure to raise the debt ceiling will look like - Ezra Klein - The Washington Post

I already know liberal ideology, and it's irrelevant to my point. I addressed the word "default." You liberal ideologues keep saying we will "default" on our debt payments. We would not default on our debt payments, we have 10 times the revenue it takes to make them. Don't change the subject to what happens if we stop funding our socialist state, boy chick.

Indeed. Default was never the issue, neither was making military or social security payouts. Truth is, what is being call 'default' are what would be curtailing or elimination of government actions domestically. I've no doubt that Obama would cease to pay national rangers, closing down all landmarks and park services. Really screw with vacations in early August.

Lots of programs, those with the largest impact news wise, will be surely cut. Then again, he could just cut 40% of all disbursements across the board, until the deal is reached. Don't expect that though.
 
The Tea Party approval rating has now fallen under 30%. The numbers are dwindling and the tricks they have played in Congress will only hurt them.

Poll: Tea Party approval reaches new low - The Hill's Blog Briefing Room

I expect 2012 will be the last election in which they hold any influence.

sure....we all religiously believe in CNN polls.....:eusa_hand:

and it takes DEMagogues like you libtards to call standing up for one's beliefs to be a "trick".....or "asshole like behavior"...

Give me a link showing the Tea Party influence is growing. You won't find one...but I will wait. If interest rates rise, due to the Tea Party dogma, voters are not going to forget. They will defiitely pay. Never before in US history has a party held the debt ceiling hostage, as they have. It could become ugly for them...:clap2:
 
I find it disgusting that Congress, while we see what we've done with our spending, refuses to consider a Balanced Budget Amendment while the president seeks a long term answer as his top priority rather than "an answer" to avoid a collapse of our economy ,market and rating.

I just heard Reid doing a Q & A after the house voted down his bill. He said he has no problem with a BBA, and is fully willing put it to a vote. But, holding the country hostage for one and the demands that the Debt Ceiling not be raised until it's law is what he refuses to do.

Once again... it's not the Tea Party Platform, it's their asshole like behavior.

I mean... in order for an Amendment to the Constitution to happen. It not only has to pass both Houses of Congress in Washington, it has to go before the Legislature of all 50 states, and it has to be ratified by 3/4 of the states.

To not raise the debt ceiling till all of that happens, and to blow up the economy if the Amendment fails to get ratified, is completely irresponsible and extremely close to extortion.

Passage of Congress would be all that would be necessary for the debt limit to be raised before Tuesday. I firmly believe it would be a foregone conclusion that the states would approve the admendment. But it could be done after Tuesday.
 
The Tea Party approval rating has now fallen under 30%. The numbers are dwindling and the tricks they have played in Congress will only hurt them.

Poll: Tea Party approval reaches new low - The Hill's Blog Briefing Room

I expect 2012 will be the last election in which they hold any influence.

sure....we all religiously believe in CNN polls.....:eusa_hand:

and it takes DEMagogues like you libtards to call standing up for one's beliefs to be a "trick".....or "asshole like behavior"...

Give me a link showing the Tea Party influence is growing. You won't find one...but I will wait. If interest rates rise, due to the Tea Party dogma, voters are not going to forget. They will defiitely pay. Never before in US history has a party held the debt ceiling hostage, as they have. It could become ugly for them...:clap2:

Everybody who is not a retard knows that it is the BO and his minions holding up the process.....repubs have submitted responsible plan after plan....Dims keep shelving them and then calling repubs "hostage" takers.....pure unadulterated BS...
 
sure....we all religiously believe in CNN polls.....:eusa_hand:

and it takes DEMagogues like you libtards to call standing up for one's beliefs to be a "trick".....or "asshole like behavior"...

Give me a link showing the Tea Party influence is growing. You won't find one...but I will wait. If interest rates rise, due to the Tea Party dogma, voters are not going to forget. They will defiitely pay. Never before in US history has a party held the debt ceiling hostage, as they have. It could become ugly for them...:clap2:

Everybody who is not a retard knows that it is the BO and his minions holding up the process.....repubs have submitted responsible plan after plan....Dims keep shelving them and then calling repubs "hostage" takers.....pure unadulterated BS...

Any Plan that forces the Middle Class and lower to make all the additional sacrifices(in the way of SS and Medicare cuts), while the wealthy get away with no additional sacrifice in the way of closing loopholes and whatnot is not responsible, it's just more oligarchical pandering.

Once again... when Obama talked about $4T over 10 years of cuts with minimal Revenue increases(the Corporate Jet type stuff), why did the Tea Party and GOP walk away from that kind of offer? Answer... because it's not really about the debt. It's about Ideology and Politics.
 
Give me a link showing the Tea Party influence is growing. You won't find one...but I will wait. If interest rates rise, due to the Tea Party dogma, voters are not going to forget. They will defiitely pay. Never before in US history has a party held the debt ceiling hostage, as they have. It could become ugly for them...:clap2:

Everybody who is not a retard knows that it is the BO and his minions holding up the process.....repubs have submitted responsible plan after plan....Dims keep shelving them and then calling repubs "hostage" takers.....pure unadulterated BS...

Any Plan that forces the Middle Class and lower to make all the additional sacrifices(in the way of SS and Medicare cuts), while the wealthy get away with no additional sacrifice in the way of closing loopholes and whatnot is not responsible, it's just more oligarchical pandering.

Once again... when Obama talked about $4T over 10 years of cuts with minimal Revenue increases(the Corporate Jet type stuff), why did the Tea Party and GOP walk away from that kind of offer? Answer... because it's not really about the debt. It's about Ideology and Politics.

Are you daft...? "Corporate Jet type stuff" is not what's pushing us into bankruptcy.....it's BO's extreme spending plus the entitlement program spending....and if we don't start doing something to save Medicare it is going to go broke very quickly....and then there won't be ANY medical service at all for grandma and grandpa...

And if you really believe in Obama's $4T over 10 years of cuts i have a bridge i'd like to sell ya...

But you are correct....this whole argument is really over funding Ideology.....do you want a Euro-trashed failed Socialist State or a vibrant Free Market Capitalist one....?
 
The Tea Party approval rating has now fallen under 30%. The numbers are dwindling and the tricks they have played in Congress will only hurt them.

Poll: Tea Party approval reaches new low - The Hill's Blog Briefing Room

I expect 2012 will be the last election in which they hold any influence.

So full of hate it's funny to watch. When you're proven wrong, and you will be I doubt it will stop you from attacking.

I'm not a member of the TPM and honestly I don't even follow it much at all, but you're so blinded by your ideology you can't see that like the inevitability of gay marriage becoming the norm the TPM is growing and will become the norm.
 

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