Has The House Violated The 14th Amendment?

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    The rightwingnut threads on the debt ceiling have made me wonder... the 14th Amendment is pretty clear in stating that "the validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insuurection or rebellion, shall not be questioned." Isn't what the House is doing, in undermining the full faith and credit of the U.S. government, a violation of that provision?
     
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    Nope.......

    They have passed three bills.
     
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    linking it to things that are not passable..

    think more instead of posting what you wish were true.

    the FACT is that by dragging their butts and holding the country hostage to the rightwingnut agenda, they have very much undermined us financially. The question is, does it rise to the level of a constitutional violation?
     
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    Again, SCOTUS has ruled that Congress has the authority to question the validity and to repudiate the debt if they so choose:


    "Mr. Justice McREYNOLDS, dissenting.

    Mr. Justice VAN DEVANTER, Mr. Justice SUTHERLAND, Mr. Justice BUTLER, and I conclude that, if given effect, the enactments here challenged will bring about confiscation of property rights and repudiation of national obligations. Acquiescence in the decisions just announced is impossible; the circumstances demand statement of our views. 'To let oneself slide down the easy slope offered by the course of events and to dull one's mind against the extent of the danger, ... that is precisely to fail in one's obligation of responsibility.'

    Just men regard repudiation and spoliation of citizens by their sovereign with abhorrence; but we are asked to affirm that the Constitution has granted power to accomplish both. No definite delegation of such a power exists; and we cannot believe the farseeing framers, who labored with hope of establishing justice and securing the blessings of liberty, intended that the expected government should have authority to annihilate its own obligations and destroy the very rights which they were endeavoring to protect. Not only is there no permission for such actions; they are [316-Continued.]"


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    U.S. v. BANKERS' TRUST CO., 294 U.S. 240 (1935)

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    Makes sense to me.
     
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    one more time... those are dissents and not the ruling of the court.
     
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    Read article I, section 8, take two asprin, and call us in the morning.
     
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    They did the job. Time for dems to put the credit card away and suck it up and grow a spine.
     
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    Jillian last year the democrats didn't even have a budget, do you really want to go there?
     
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    one more time ....learn to read and comprehend the English language.

    The dissenters were objecting to the majority's decision , which ruled that Congress can question the validity of a debt; the Fourteenth Amendment notwithstanding, And that they can repudiate the same if they so choose.

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