Has the Holocaust become the Official religion of the Jews???

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    Can you link each and every one of these statements please? Most Jews today are either atheists or shun the religion of Judiasm.

    The numbers of practicing Jews is down to it's lowest level in the history of Judiasm.

    Many believe the Jewish people have now adopted belief in the Holocaust as their new religion.

    Zionist Jews have spread the Holocaust Religion all over the world.

    Holocaust Museums are the new Jewish houses of worship,

    And are present in most major cities all over the world.

    In Europe, if you question the official doctrine of the Holocaust Religion, you will go to prison.

    Central to this new religion, is mandatory belief in the mythical 6 million.

    The theology of the Holocaust Religion is to be taken literally and nothing is to be questioned or doubted.

    Israel is ground zero of the Holocaust Religion.
     
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    Holocaust denial has become the official religion of closet-queens.
     
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    impossible by definition
    Really? Less than when it was only Abraham?


    You're an idiot
     
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    Abraham wasn't a Jew.

    They were first called Jews when they resided in the area known as Judea
     
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    They were the same people. It is perfectly acceptable to apply the term to the people retroactively.

    Besides, as I said, your asse4tion is impossible by definition.
     
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    I cannot understand the point of your post other than it appears to be yet another antagonistic ''dig'' at a religion/faith/ethnicity that you don't agree with. First off, you seem to be incorrect in your assessments/statements, secondarily, you appear to opine and pass it off as ''fact''. Where do you get the information for your claims about how many ''practicing Jews'' there are? Please cite your sources in regards to the ''holocaust'' being a ''religion'' and all the other ancillary arguments you make.

    Origins of the Words "Jew" and "Judaism"
    The original name for the people we now call Jews was Hebrews. The word "Hebrew" (in Hebrew, "Ivri") is first used in the Torah to describe Abraham (Gen. 14:13). The word is apparently derived from the name Eber, one of Abraham's ancestors. Another tradition teaches that the word comes from the word "eyver," which means "the other side," referring to the fact that Abraham came from the other side of the Euphrates, or referring to the fact Abraham was separated from the other nations morally and spiritually.

    Another name used for the people is Children of Israel or Israelites, which refers to the fact that the people are descendants of Jacob, who was also called Israel.

    The word "Jew" (in Hebrew, "Yehudi") is derived from the name Judah, which was the name of one of Jacob's twelve sons. Judah was the ancestor of one of the tribes of Israel, which was named after him. Likewise, the word Judaism literally means "Judah-ism," that is, the religion of the Yehudim. Other sources, however, say that the word "Yehudim" means "People of G-d," because the first three letters of "Yehudah" are the same as the first three letters of G-d's four-letter name.

    Originally, the term Yehudi referred specifically to members of the tribe of Judah, as distinguished from the other tribes of Israel. However, after the death of King Solomon, the nation of Israel was split into two kingdoms: the kingdom of Judah and the kingdom of Israel (I Kings 12; II Chronicles 10). After that time, the word Yehudi could properly be used to describe anyone from the kingdom of Judah, which included the tribes of Judah, Benjamin and Levi, as well as scattered settlements from other tribes. The most obvious biblical example of this usage is in Esther 2:5, where Mordecai is referred to as both a Yehudi and a member of the tribe of Benjamin.

    In the 6th century B.C.E., the kingdom of Israel was conquered by Assyria and the ten tribes were exiled from the land (II Kings 17), leaving only the tribes in the kingdom of Judah remaining to carry on Abraham's heritage. These people of the kingdom of Judah were generally known to themselves and to other nations as Yehudim (Jews), and that name continues to be used today.

    In common speech, the word "Jew" is used to refer to all of the physical and spiritual descendants of Jacob/Israel, as well as to the patriarchs Abraham and Isaac and their wives, and the word "Judaism" is used to refer to their beliefs. Technically, this usage is inaccurate, just as it is technically inaccurate to use the word "Indian" to refer to the original inhabitants of the Americas. However, this technically inaccurate usage is common both within the Jewish community and outside of it, and is therefore used throughout this site.
     
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    Yawn!
     
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    ...and how many Jews were murdered in YOUR estimation? What is the extent of YOUR research? Your sources?

    wiki.answers.com/.../How_many_Jews_were_killed_in_the_Holocaust

    Since 1945-46, the most commonly cited figure for the total number of Jews killed has been approximately six million. This figure, first given at the Nuremberg Tribunal, has been confirmed again and again by later research.
    The Holocaust commemoration center, the Yad Vashem Holocaust Martyrs' and Heroes' Remembrance Authority in Jerusalem, comments:

    There is no precise figure for the number of Jews killed in the Holocaust. The figure commonly used is the six million established by the Nuremberg Tribunal in 1946 and repeated later by Adolf Eichmann, a senior SS official. Most research confirms that the number of victims was between five and six million. Early calculations range from 5.1 million (Professor Raul Hilberg) to 5.95 million (Jacob Leschinsky). More recent research, by Professor Yisrael Gutman and Dr. Robert Rozett in the Encyclopedia of the Holocaust, estimates the Jewish losses at 5.59-5.86 million, and a study headed by Dr. Wolfgang Benz presents a range from 5.29-6 million. The main sources for these statistics are comparisons of prewar censuses with postwar censuses and population estimates. Nazi documentation containing partial data on various deportations and murders is also used. We estimate that Yad Vashem currently has somewhat more than four million names of victims that are accessible.

    Raul Hilberg, in the third edition of his ground-breaking three-volume work, The Destruction of the European Jews, estimates that 5.1 million Jews died during the Holocaust. This figure includes "over 800,000" who died from "Ghettoization and general privation"; 1,400,000 who were killed in "Open-air shootings"; and "up to 2,900,000" who perished in camps. Hilberg estimates the death toll in Poland at "up to 3,000,000". Hilberg's numbers are generally considered to be a conservative estimate, as they typically include only those deaths for which some records are available, avoiding statistical adjustment. British historian Martin Gilbert used a similar approach in his "Atlas of the Holocaust", but arrived at a number of 5.75 million Jewish victims, since he estimated higher numbers of Jews killed in Russia and other locations.

    Lucy S. Dawidowicz used pre-war census figures to estimate that 5.934 million Jews died (see her figures here).

    One of the most authoritative German scholars of the Holocaust, Wolfgang Benz of the Technical University of Berlin, cites between 5.3 and 6.2 million Jews killed in Dimension des Völkermords (1991), while Yisrael Gutman and Robert Rozett estimate between 5.59 and 5.86 million Jewish victims in the Encyclopaedia of the Holocaust (1990).

    There were about 9.4 million Jews in the territories controlled directly or indirectly by the Nazis. (Some uncertainty arises from the lack of knowledge about how many Jews there were in the Soviet Union). The 6 million killed in the Holocaust thus represent about 64% of these Jews. Of Poland's 3.3 million Jews, over 90 percent were killed. The same proportion were killed in Latvia and Lithuania, but most of Estonia's Jews were evacuated in time. In Czechoslovakia, Greece, the Netherlands and Yugoslavia, over 70 percent were killed. More than 50 percent were killed in Belgium, Hungary and Romania. It is likely that a similar proportion were killed in Belarus and Ukraine, but these figures are less certain. Countries with notably lower proportions of deaths include Bulgaria, Denmark, France, Italy and Norway. Finally, of the 750,000 Jews in Germany and Austria in 1933, only about a quarter survived. Although many German Jews emigrated before 1939, the majority of these fled to Czechoslovakia, France or the Netherlands, from where they were later deported to their deaths.

    The number of people killed at the major extermination camps is estimated as follows:

    Auschwitz-Birkenau: 1.4 million; Belzec: 500,000; Chelmno: 152,000; Majdanek: 78,000 (figure under review); Maly Trostinets: 65,000; Sobibór: 250,000; and Treblinka: 870,000.

    This gives a total of over 3.3 million; of these, 90% are estimated to have been Jews. These seven camps alone thus accounted for half the total number of Jews killed in the entire Nazi Holocaust. Virtually the entire Jewish population of Poland died in these camps.

    In addition to those who died in the above extermination camps, at least half a million Jews died in other camps, including the major concentration camps in Germany. These were not extermination camps, but had large numbers of Jewish prisoners at various times, particularly in the last year of the war as the Nazis withdrew from Poland. About a million people died in these camps, and although the proportion of Jews is not known with certainty, it was estimated to be at least 50 percent. Another 800,000 to 1 million Jews were killed by the Einsatzgruppen in the occupied Soviet territories (an approximate figure, since the Einsatzgruppen killings were frequently undocumented). Many more died through execution or of disease and malnutrition in the ghettos of Poland, Belarus, Ukraine, Lithuania, Latvia and Hungary before they could be deported.

    For more information, see these links:

    Yad Vashem - The Holocaust Martyrs' and Heroes' Remembrance Authority

    United States Holocaust Memorial Museum

    To the comment below:

    I have put this ahead of yours because of what you are implying. Most of the Jews who were killed in the concentration camps were burned to ashes in the crematoria; this is well-documented. A cremated body weighs only about 5 pounds, so there is no "mathematical impossibility" anywhere. There was no need to try and bury all of them. The figure of six million is sadly accurate enough.

    Overall, to ask "How many Jews died in the Holocaust?", we can only say "Many." Sadly, that answer itself is akin to "Too many".

    Note to above and below comments: I took it upon myself to delete the Holocaust denial comment. There is no need for such obscenities on a place which is supposedly dedicated to the truth.

    On the comment immediately above

    Phrases like the "six million" of popular legend tell their own tale. They are characteristic of Holocaust denial.

    There are people who for reasons of their own deny genocide, whether that committed by the Nazis against the Jews, or by the Ottoman Empire against the Armenians. The most common reason is a desire to rehabilitate the perpetrators and to mock the survivors and their descendants.
     
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    If you bring up something negative about Judiasm to a Jewish person.

    Most of them could care less.

    But just mention anything against the so called holocaust.

    And they go ballistic !!!

    Why?

    Has holocaust story replaced the Torah in the Jewish psyche?
     
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    Did you know I paused before I put up a Hebrew flag next to my American flag after 911? I hesitated, I had young children with me at the time.

    Putting up that flag was like putting a giant target on my house. It wasn't done easily and I"m not even Jewish.

    The attempted genocide that happened to the Jews, the hatred I hear some people espouse toward them is completely deranged. They are a targeted people. And they know it.

    God bless them.
     

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