Has Anyone Noticed?

[Freedom Lover]

Has anyone noticed:

1. All of the things that President Bush has said will take place in Iraq have actually happened as the people of Iraq move toward freedom, i.e. sovereignty, interim gov't, constitution, permanent gov't elections in December?

2. Tax cuts have spurred the economy just as the President said they would?

3. Since President Bush took office Republicans have increased their majorities in both chambers of Congress?

4. The President has appointed "Constitutionalists" to all levels of the federal system just as he promised he would?

5. President Bush continues to be underrated by the Democrats and the press, yet he continues beat them?

6. That polls showing the President's ratings being low are showing more Democrats being polled than Republicans thereby creating a false picture of what is really going on?

7. In speeches given by Democrats they never mention liberty or freedom? (This one was posted before but no one could give me an answer to this one.)

8. That Democrats and their willing accomplices in the socialist press have pronounced Scooter Libby guilty before a trial has even started? ( I thought they stood for civil rights. I guess Republicans are nor entitled to any.)

Okay, you libs out there go after these!

 

[Hagbard Celine]

Has anyone noticed:

1. All of the things that President Bush has said will take place in Iraq have actually happened as the people of Iraq move toward freedom, i.e. sovereignty, interim gov't, constitution, permanent gov't elections in December?

2. Tax cuts have spurred the economy just as the President said they would?

3. Since President Bush took office Republicans have increased their majorities in both chambers of Congress?

4. The President has appointed "Constitutionalists" to all levels of the federal system just as he promised he would?

5. President Bush continues to be underrated by the Democrats and the press, yet he continues beat them?

6. That polls showing the President's ratings being low are showing more Democrats being polled than Republicans thereby creating a false picture of what is really going on?

7. In speeches given by Democrats they never mention liberty or freedom? (This one was posted before but no one could give me an answer to this one.)

8. That Democrats and their willing accomplices in the socialist press have pronounced Scooter Libby guilty before a trial has even started? ( I thought they stood for civil rights. I guess Republicans are nor entitled to any.)

Okay, you libs out there go after these!

:wank: - "master" = ( ) + =

 

[Freedom Lover]

Real cute Celine. Sure is typical of libs who have no answers or intelligent responses. Hope you did not use up all your crayons drawing the pictures!

I guess I should add to my list has anyone noticed that the left resorts to your type of response when they can not refute the facts.

 

[The ClayTaurus]

Has anyone noticed:

1. All of the things that President Bush has said will take place in Iraq have actually happened as the people of Iraq move toward freedom, i.e. sovereignty, interim gov't, constitution, permanent gov't elections in December?

2. Tax cuts have spurred the economy just as the President said they would?

3. Since President Bush took office Republicans have increased their majorities in both chambers of Congress?

4. The President has appointed "Constitutionalists" to all levels of the federal system just as he promised he would?

5. President Bush continues to be underrated by the Democrats and the press, yet he continues beat them?

6. That polls showing the President's ratings being low are showing more Democrats being polled than Republicans thereby creating a false picture of what is really going on?

7. In speeches given by Democrats they never mention liberty or freedom? (This one was posted before but no one could give me an answer to this one.)

8. That Democrats and their willing accomplices in the socialist press have pronounced Scooter Libby guilty before a trial has even started? ( I thought they stood for civil rights. I guess Republicans are nor entitled to any.)

Okay, you libs out there go after these!

What's the point you're trying to make? Are you asking for liberals to prove that these are lies?

 

[Freedom Lover]

Nope! Just stating some facts and giving them a chance to respond, which obviously they can not do. The point being, the left is wrong about what is really happening in this country, and President Bush deserves more credit for what he is doing than what they are willing to give him. It boils down to what I have said many times on this board that the socialist Democrats are willing to say anything, do anything, take almost any position to gain or retain power, and that makes them dangerous to the United States of America. Look at their recent stunts. Point made!

 

[Hagbard Celine]

Real cute Celine. Sure is typical of libs who have no answers or intelligent responses. Hope you did not use up all your crayons drawing the pictures!

I guess I should add to my list has anyone noticed that the left resorts to your type of response when they can not refute the facts.

Originally Posted by Freedom Lover
Has anyone noticed:
1. All of the things that President Bush has said will take place in Iraq have actually happened as the people of Iraq move toward freedom, i.e. sovereignty, interim gov't, constitution, permanent gov't elections in December?

Remember "mission accomplished?" We're still there! Remember the whole reason for going over there? "Saddam has WMDs?" Hey look! No WMDs! Remember "Saddam has ties to al-Qaeda?" Who the hell is al-Qaeda? Do you remember? Oh yeah, they were the ones who attacked us on 9/11. Right. Almost forgot amidst the Sunni insurgency we created when we took out Saddam's government.

2. Tax cuts have spurred the economy just as the President said they would?

http://www.cbpp.org/4-14-04tax-sum.htm EPI - The Economy Has Little To Show For 860 Billion in Tax Cuts

3. Since President Bush took office Republicans have increased their majorities in both chambers of Congress?

Don't blame me, I voted for Kerry.

4. The President has appointed "Constitutionalists" to all levels of the federal system just as he promised he would?

Yeah, Bush's history in regard to appointing people to positions in government is flawless.

5. President Bush continues to be underrated by the Democrats and the press, yet he continues beat them?

You obviously don't know anything about the press. They publish what they're told by the people in the whitehouse. You can't blame them or the Democrats for Bush's crappy job approval ratings unless you were to argue that it's the press's fault just for reporting all his gaffes.

6. That polls showing the President's ratings being low are showing more Democrats being polled than Republicans thereby creating a false picture of what is really going on?

It's impossible to have a biased result in a random poll. Get a clue man.

7. In speeches given by Democrats they never mention liberty or freedom? (This one was posted before but no one could give me an answer to this one.)

Prove it. You can't because it's ludicrous.

8. That Democrats and their willing accomplices in the socialist press have pronounced Scooter Libby guilty before a trial has even started? ( I thought they stood for civil rights. I guess Republicans are nor entitled to any.)

I guess the grand jury that indicted him on five counts of perjury is pre-judging him too.

Okay, you libs out there go after these!

Teehee!

 

[Hagbard Celine]

Nope! Just stating some facts and giving them a chance to respond, which obviously they can not do. The point being, the left is wrong about what is really happening in this country, and President Bush deserves more credit for what he is doing than what they are willing to give him. It boils down to what I have said many times on this board that the socialist Democrats are willing to say anything, do anything, take almost any position to gain or retain power, and that makes them dangerous to the United States of America. Look at their recent stunts. Point made!

Yeah, it's all mass psychosis. You and a few other elite people on this board are the only ones who know the real true nature of what is going on in the country.

 

[Democrat4Bush]

I guess the grand jury that indicted him on five counts of perjury is pre-judging him too.

I could have sworn it was 2 counts of perjury, or are we rewriting history already?

 

[Freedom Lover]

1. I remember "mission accomplished"! What was the mission? First, it was to remove Saadam from power. Done! WMD was only one of the reasons among many that were given for going to Iraq. The left only can remember the one, which by the way was stated by your hero John Kerry on the Senate floor after looking at the same intelligence President Bush had. In case you haven't noticed Al-Qaeda is in many countries in the world, including Iraq. Leftists just can't get through their heads that this is a world wide fight and Iraq is probably just the beginning before it is all over.

I can understand your opposition to the war since it requires funds that the socialist left would rather be spending to make more and more people reliant upon government in order to make themselves the majority in our government. It is probly why they can't win because the majority is just not buying it!

2. This is a typical approach by those who think high taxes are good for our economy. It does not take a phd. economist to know that the more money you suck out of the private economy and put it into the government sphere the weaker the economy becomes. If individuals and businesses have less money to spend, while more is being used by the government which is not a producer but only a spender, then the economy weakens to the point that recession comes with its high unemployment and less revenue for the government. Example: the recession that came at the end of Clinton's administration, but was short circuited by the tax cuts put into effect by Congress. Also, look at the socialist economies of Europe that are doing far less than our economy with higher unemployment than our and lower economic growth than what we are experiencing.

3. I am not blaming you. I am thanking God that the socialist Democrats do not hold the reins of power!

4. Never claimed they were flawless, just saying, unlike the socialist Democrats who run for office portraying themselves as something they are not, it is refreshing that a President would actually govern in the manner he said he would while campaigning for office. What are the libs ever going to do when their socialist judges no longer control the Courts?

5. I know the press. I used to have to deal with them almost on a daily basis. What I do know is that you must be reading or watching other media than what I am. They have been quite willing to make big news out of what you refer to as gaffes. They are quite unwilling to print anything that gives President Bush credit for the things that are good, and whether or not you want to admit it there are many!

6. You don't know much about polls. I know how they can be manipulated. Just because a poll is random does not mean the poller cannot target a certain population in the universe from which the participants will be selected at random. It is easy to do if one has an agenda they want to promote.

7. In over forty five years of listening to political speeches, both Democrat and Republican, the last Democrat I can recall talking about freedom and Liberty was JFK. Ever since then Democrat candidates only want to talk about people being victims and whjat the government will do for them. You can go back and read your Democrat candidate's speeches and see if you can find them talking about freedom and liberty in any meaningful amount, other than just in passing. You show me, because I have not heard it!

8. The purpose of a grand jury is to determine if sufficient evidence exists to to try a person for the crime they are alleged to have committed. An indictment is NOT a conviction! Grand juries tend to go along with what the prosecutor wants. It has been said a prosecutor can indict a ham sandwich if he/she wants to. Example: Kay Baily Hutchinson, Senator from texas was indicted by the same out of control prosecutor that has indicted Tom Delay. She was found innocent of his charges. Ever hear of O.J. Simpson? Indictments do not mean guilt, but you guys are willing to impart that to Mr. Libby in hopes of making political gains. This is so tranparent it is laughable!

 

[Abbey Normal]

7. In over forty five years of listening to political speeches, both Democrat and Republican, the last Democrat I can recall talking about freedom and Liberty was JFK. Ever since then Democrat candidates only want to talk about people being victims and whjat the government will do for them...

Great "big picture" analysis. Apart from possibly Zell Miller, I totally agree.

 

[The ClayTaurus]

1. I remember "mission accomplished"! What was the mission? First, it was to remove Saadam from power. Done! WMD was only one of the reasons among many that were given for going to Iraq. The left only can remember the one, which by the way was stated by your hero John Kerry on the Senate floor after looking at the same intelligence President Bush had. In case you haven't noticed Al-Qaeda is in many countries in the world, including Iraq. Leftists just can't get through their heads that this is a world wide fight and Iraq is probably just the beginning before it is all over.

I can understand your opposition to the war since it requires funds that the socialist left would rather be spending to make more and more people reliant upon government in order to make themselves the majority in our government. It is probly why they can't win because the majority is just not buying it!

2. This is a typical approach by those who think high taxes are good for our economy. It does not take a phd. economist to know that the more money you suck out of the private economy and put it into the government sphere the weaker the economy becomes. If individuals and businesses have less money to spend, while more is being used by the government which is not a producer but only a spender, then the economy weakens to the point that recession comes with its high unemployment and less revenue for the government. Example: the recession that came at the end of Clinton's administration, but was short circuited by the tax cuts put into effect by Congress. Also, look at the socialist economies of Europe that are doing far less than our economy with higher unemployment than our and lower economic growth than what we are experiencing.

3. I am not blaming you. I am thanking God that the socialist Democrats do not hold the reins of power!

4. Never claimed they were flawless, just saying, unlike the socialist Democrats who run for office portraying themselves as something they are not, it is refreshing that a President would actually govern in the manner he said he would while campaigning for office. What are the libs ever going to do when their socialist judges no longer control the Courts?

5. I know the press. I used to have to deal with them almost on a daily basis. What I do know is that you must be reading or watching other media than what I am. They have been quite willing to make big news out of what you refer to as gaffes. They are quite unwilling to print anything that gives President Bush credit for the things that are good, and whether or not you want to admit it there are many!

6. You don't know much about polls. I know how they can be manipulated. Just because a poll is random does not mean the poller cannot target a certain population in the universe from which the participants will be selected at random. It is easy to do if one has an agenda they want to promote.

7. In over forty five years of listening to political speeches, both Democrat and Republican, the last Democrat I can recall talking about freedom and Liberty was JFK. Ever since then Democrat candidates only want to talk about people being victims and whjat the government will do for them. You can go back and read your Democrat candidate's speeches and see if you can find them talking about freedom and liberty in any meaningful amount, other than just in passing. You show me, because I have not heard it!

8. The purpose of a grand jury is to determine if sufficient evidence exists to to try a person for the crime they are alleged to have committed. An indictment is NOT a conviction! Grand juries tend to go along with what the prosecutor wants. It has been said a prosecutor can indict a ham sandwich if he/she wants to. Example: Kay Baily Hutchinson, Senator from texas was indicted by the same out of control prosecutor that has indicted Tom Delay. She was found innocent of his charges. Ever hear of O.J. Simpson? Indictments do not mean guilt, but you guys are willing to impart that to Mr. Libby in hopes of making political gains. This is so tranparent it is laughable!

You're one of those people who always has to prefix the words liberal and democrat with the word socialist, communist, or marxist, aren't you?

 

[Freedom Lover]

Hey Celine:

Not mass psychosis. Just that conservatives are willing to stand before the voters and tell them what they believe. The socialist Democrats will not do that because they can not win if they reveal who they really are.

Example: Democrats got all giddy when their candidate for Congress in Ohio's 2nd district came closer than expected to winning that seat in a special election a few weeks ago. As it turns out he campaigned, according to reports from the district, as a "near" Republican so as not to reveal his true colors to the voters of a conservative district. Fortunately, enough of the voters of that district knew he was not what he portrayed himself to be and he lost. Now he is running for the Senate in next year's election, but we know who he is and he will be forced to reveal his true leanings before the election is over.

 

[Freedom Lover]

Hey ClayTaurus:

Does it bother you that I know what the modern day Democratic Party stands for, and that I am more than willing to identify them as such so that others will know too? What are you afraid of by being identified this way? Could it be that you know, like the party leadership, that if the voters know what the Democrats really are they will lose even more elections?

 

[Said1]

Hey ClayTaurus:

Does it bother you that I know what the modern day Democratic Party stands for, and that I am more than willing to identify them as such so that others will know too? What are you afraid of by being identified this way? Could it be that you know, like the party leadership, that if the voters know what the Democrats really are they will lose even more elections?

I wouldn't say Clay is an serious leftist, not by a long shot. Just young and "mis-guided".

 

[Bonnie]

Celine Remember "mission accomplished?" We're still there! Remember the whole reason for going over there? "Saddam has WMDs?" Hey look! No WMDs! Remember "Saddam has ties to al-Qaeda?" Who the hell is al-Qaeda? Do you remember? Oh yeah, they were the ones who attacked us on 9/11. Right. Almost forgot amidst the Sunni insurgency we created when we took out Saddam's government.

I also remember other reasons for going there, which all have come to fruition or are on their way to happening. I also do remember Bush and everyone else in the Bush administration saying over and over again to expect us to be in Iraq for many years??? Remember that??

Freedom lover..Tax cuts have spurred the economy just as the President said they would?

The Double Benefit of Tax CutsBy GARY S. BECKER, EDWARD P. LAZEAR and KEVIN M. MURPHYIn their debate on economic policy last month, every Democratic candidate for president called for rolling backall or part of George W. Bush's tax cuts. All politics aside, and with the economy showing signs of recovery,perhaps now is the right time to revisit the rationale behind tax reductions and what seems to be an excessivefear of budget deficits.Proposals for tax reductions during periods of a weak economy are inevitably followed by discussion of thestimulus effects that such cuts will have on economic activity over the next year or so. Less often is the focus onthe more important issue, which is whether a tax cut helps in the long run. Tax cuts make sense for two reasons.First, government spending responds to tax revenues, so that lower revenues imply lower government spending.Second, economic growth depends on both human capital and physical capital, and investment in human capital,as well as physical capital, is responsive to tax rates. Consider each in turn.Like any company or household, government spending is constrained by its revenue. The sum of present andfuture public spending, discounted by the rate of interest on government bonds, must equal the sum of presentand discounted future tax revenues. This government budget equation has been recognized by economists sincethe pioneering work on taxation by economist David Ricardo in the early 19th century. Typically, economiststake government spending as given by the needs of society, and assume that taxes, including taxes on moneybalances generated by inflation, adjust to this spending in order to balance the government budget equation.Yet economic theory and empirical evidence suggest that spending often adjusts to available tax revenue ratherthan the other way around. Government spending responds to the ongoing political battles between taxpayersand the interest groups that benefit from government spending.Developments in the federal budget since the early 1980s illustrate the dependence of spending on tax revenue.The Reagan tax cuts of the '80s helped promote longer-term growth, but they also increased federal deficits andsubsequent interest payments on the debt. The Bush tax cuts will also help future growth, and possibly havealready begun to stimulate the economyLooking back, federal spending declined relative to GDP in the late '80s and through most of the '90s. Manyobservers link the moderate growth in spending over this period to the large federal budget deficits seen overmost of the period and the pressure this put on lawmakers to control spending. But the primary federal budgetthat excludes interest had a surplus for all but three years between 1987 and 2001, while the budget includinginterest ran a deficit until 1998. The need to meet payments on the debt helped pressure Congress and theClinton administration to enact welfare reform, cut defense spending, and increase efforts to rein in federalspending on Social Security and health. It is highly unlikely that any of these would have occurred without theneed to adjust spending to growing interest payments on the rising debt due to continuing deficits.Lower taxes that force cutbacks and reforms in spending programs often produce a double benefit. Besides thedirect benefit from lower marginal tax rates on income, dividends, or investments, there are indirect benefitsfrom the forced reductions in inefficient spending programs. This might be an overly generous welfare system orPage 1 of 3WSJ.com - The Double Benefit of Tax Cuts10/7/2003http://online.wsj.com/article_print/0,,SB106548881712135300,00.html

Just for you Trotsky

Celine..Don't blame me, I voted for Kerry.

http://www.opinionjournal.com/diary/?id=110004881
We forgive you anyway

Celine..It's impossible to have a biased result in a random poll. Get a clue man.

CBS Touts Its Own Flawed Poll on Bush

The CBS Evening News continued to pound Bush’s “low” approval ratings based a skewed poll that under-counted Republicans and over-counted Independents. ABC’s Good Morning America and World News Tonight both relied on a different but also flawed poll to report on the President’s approval ratings. NBC’s ER program interjected blatant left-wing bias about the Iraq war into its program. The West Wing continued to idealize its “pro-choice” Republican character played by liberal Alan Alda, while the character played by leftist Janeane Garofalo took several swipes at conservative policies. Letterman presented the Top Ten Ways CBS Can Attract Younger Viewers. Read more in Friday’s CyberAlert.

How about you do the same... get a clue that is

Celine..I guess the grand jury that indicted him on five counts of perjury is pre-judging him too.

That's not the question that was asked, the question was
8

. Freedom Lover.. That Democrats and their willing accomplices in the socialist press have pronounced Scooter Libby guilty before a trial has even started? ( I thought they stood for civil rights. I guess Republicans are nor entitled to any

See post on Russert's accusations of Libby on the air when he is supposed to testify in the case............

so try again

 

[William Joyce]

Has anyone noticed:

1. All of the things that President Bush has said will take place in Iraq have actually happened as the people of Iraq move toward freedom, i.e. sovereignty, interim gov't, constitution, permanent gov't elections in December?

2. Tax cuts have spurred the economy just as the President said they would?

3. Since President Bush took office Republicans have increased their majorities in both chambers of Congress?

4. The President has appointed "Constitutionalists" to all levels of the federal system just as he promised he would?

5. President Bush continues to be underrated by the Democrats and the press, yet he continues beat them?

6. That polls showing the President's ratings being low are showing more Democrats being polled than Republicans thereby creating a false picture of what is really going on?

7. In speeches given by Democrats they never mention liberty or freedom? (This one was posted before but no one could give me an answer to this one.)

8. That Democrats and their willing accomplices in the socialist press have pronounced Scooter Libby guilty before a trial has even started? ( I thought they stood for civil rights. I guess Republicans are nor entitled to any.)

Okay, you libs out there go after these!

Well, now you're going to get it from the hard right. The Bush presidency is a disaster. The war in Iraq was based on Israeli, not American, purposes, and in any event is going terribly as the Sunni insurgency gains strength daily. it was never about "freedom" or "liberty," it was always about defanging Israel's biggest enemy in the middle east. I haven't noticed any tax cuts in my tax bill, and federal spending is out of control. I still pay some third to a half of what I earn to the federal government, and no Republican Congress or President has made much of a dent in that. The fact that the GOP hold majorities in both houses and the White House should be an embarrassment given how ineffectual they are. Immigration is killing us, and "Scooter" Libby is a Jewish neocon whose main goal is benefitting Israel, not the U.S., and I'm hoping he does time for his violation of federal law, not to mention betrayal of our nation. Meanwhile, we've got riots in New Orleans, riots in Ohio, murders, mayhem, pornography on TV, abortion on demand, Christians denied the right to pray in schools, affirmative action unopposed, 13-year-old girls looking like hookers, 14-year-old boys looking like black gangsters, and general cultural meltdown. Where are the conservatives?

 

[TheEnemyWithin]

You're one of those people who always has to prefix the words liberal and democrat with the word socialist, communist, or marxist, aren't you?

Who?? Liberals?? You mean the Man-should-give-free-drugs-to-everybody people? The ones that adore Canada's shitty third-world medical care?? Nooooo way!!! How could he call liberals "communists"???!!!

 

[The ClayTaurus]

I wouldn't say Clay is an serious leftist, not by a long shot. Just young and "mis-guided".

Shhh you're ruining their ability to dismiss me.

 

[The ClayTaurus]

Hey ClayTaurus:

Does it bother you that I know what the modern day Democratic Party stands for, and that I am more than willing to identify them as such so that others will know too? What are you afraid of by being identified this way? Could it be that you know, like the party leadership, that if the voters know what the Democrats really are they will lose even more elections?

No, the democratic party might very well be communist. I'm not a Democrat.

But saying "commie liberal" or "socialist liberal" every 10 words is like saying "facist conservative" or "conservative bigot" every 10 words. It makes your argument look weak because you resort to pounding home that your opponent is a liberal. It becomes less about the issue and more that the other person is a liberal, so fuck talking about the issue. Try writing a post without using the word liberal or some inference to it, and then see how strong your points are then.

 

[Freedom Lover]

Clay:

I think it is important to identify socialist Democrats as such because that is who has controlled the party since the 1960's. This identification separates those who are Democrats that are not socialists. I have several friends who are Democrats, but do not support the socialist programs that their party has espoused over the past few decades. As result they usually now vote for Republicans without changing their party identification. Not only are these socialists a danger to their party, as demonstarted by their continual losses in elections, but also to the nation as a whole. As a result I will continue to identify them for what they are.

By the way, those who use profanity are demonstrating that their vocabulary is not sufficient to express themselves in a proper manner. I hope in the future you can improve on your vocabulary in order to carry on a proper conversation.