Harry Reid says "We didnt get what we wanted"

[Remodeling Maidiac]

"but neither did the other side. The only winners in this legislation are the American people."

Kind of a contradiction from what the left on here like to proclaim. Now I'm not saying the bill is good but why can't the left take up a position and stick to it? It's bad for us its good for us, make up your damn mind and show some backbone. Will he also admit the cuts are subject to future congresses? I won't hold my breath...

 

[AmericanFirst]

"but neither did the other side. The only winners in this legislation are the American people."

Kind of a contradiction from what the left on here like to proclaim. Now I'm not saying the bill is good but why can't the left take up a position and stick to it? It's bad for us its good for us, make up your damn mind and show some backbone. Will he also admit the cuts are subject to future congresses? I won't hold my breath...

The left haas never been able to take a position and stick with it. They blow with the wind. Speaking of blowing, talk to bill clinton

 

[imbalance]

Harry Reid is a creepy weirdo who will die from AIDS soon enough.

 

[WillowTree]

The retarteddimocrats know they showed their asses in front of America, they know the C-span camera is there, that's why he's sounding so frickin conciliatory.

 

[8537]

He's right - the Dems didn't get all they wanted and will pay politically from their base. The Republicans didn't get all they want and will pay politically from their base.

On the other hand, we avoided default which is good for the American people.

 

[Wiseacre]

We didn't get what we wanted but the winners are the American people? One might wonder if they had gotten what they wanted would the American people have been the losers? I think so, Obama wanted a clean bill with no strings to raise the debt ceiling enough to get him through the next election. Don't tell me that was for any other reason than pure politics. But had he and the dems gotten their way the issue of debt and deficits would not be front and center grabbing the nation's attention for most of the year. And that is a very good thing. Tough shit if the dems were not allowed to sweep the issue under the rug until after the election, you may now thank the TPers for forcing this serious problem to be debated and worked on.

 

[8537]

We didn't get what we wanted but the winners are the American people? One might wonder if they had gotten what they wanted would the American people have been the losers? I think so, Obama wanted a clean bill with no strings to raise the debt ceiling enough to get him through the next election. Don't tell me that was for any other reason than pure politics. But had he and the dems gotten their way the issue of debt and deficits would not be front and center grabbing the nation's attention for most of the year. And that is a very good thing. Tough shit if the dems were not allowed to sweep the issue under the rug until after the election, you may now thankt he TPers for forcing this serious problem to be debated and worked on.

The issue was just swept under the rug until after the next election. Boehner, the TP'ers and Republicans didn't get what they wanted, either.

In fact, they agreed to a second step that will place most the leverage with the Democrats.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

You gotta be pretty damn dumb or ridiculously blind to believe what Reid is saying here.
The American people are not so fracking stupid to be unable to see that this bill is the result of a complete failure of both sides to do their job.

 

[Wiseacre]

We didn't get what we wanted but the winners are the American people? One might wonder if they had gotten what they wanted would the American people have been the losers? I think so, Obama wanted a clean bill with no strings to raise the debt ceiling enough to get him through the next election. Don't tell me that was for any other reason than pure politics. But had he and the dems gotten their way the issue of debt and deficits would not be front and center grabbing the nation's attention for most of the year. And that is a very good thing. Tough shit if the dems were not allowed to sweep the issue under the rug until after the election, you may now thankt he TPers for forcing this serious problem to be debated and worked on.

The issue was just swept under the rug until after the next election. Boehner, the TP'ers and Republicans didn't get what they wanted, either.

In fact, they agreed to a second step that will place most the leverage with the Democrats.

I think you're out of your mind, you don't think the pols in Washington and the talking heads on TV are going to be talking about what's going to get cut and how the tax code might be revised from now until the election?

Like to know why you think the dems have any leverage at all with the special committee, it'll have 6 dems and 6 repubs on it. Sounds even to me, nd BTW the dems haven't had any leverage up til now, what makes you think they'll gain any?

 

[BoycottTheday]

What did he say? His "side" isnt on the side of the aMerican people?

No Chit Cherlock!

 

[peach174]

We didn't get what we wanted but the winners are the American people? One might wonder if they had gotten what they wanted would the American people have been the losers? I think so, Obama wanted a clean bill with no strings to raise the debt ceiling enough to get him through the next election. Don't tell me that was for any other reason than pure politics. But had he and the dems gotten their way the issue of debt and deficits would not be front and center grabbing the nation's attention for most of the year. And that is a very good thing. Tough shit if the dems were not allowed to sweep the issue under the rug until after the election, you may now thankt he TPers for forcing this serious problem to be debated and worked on.

The issue was just swept under the rug until after the next election. Boehner, the TP'ers and Republicans didn't get what they wanted, either.

In fact, they agreed to a second step that will place most the leverage with the Democrats.

Yep! This is all about running in the 2012 election for both parties.
It's the only way they could get something passed.
Nothing will get really cut much. Just piddly here and there things.
It's a deal that we will fight for in 2013. Yea right.
More Smoke and mirrors.

 

[8537]

We didn't get what we wanted but the winners are the American people? One might wonder if they had gotten what they wanted would the American people have been the losers? I think so, Obama wanted a clean bill with no strings to raise the debt ceiling enough to get him through the next election. Don't tell me that was for any other reason than pure politics. But had he and the dems gotten their way the issue of debt and deficits would not be front and center grabbing the nation's attention for most of the year. And that is a very good thing. Tough shit if the dems were not allowed to sweep the issue under the rug until after the election, you may now thankt he TPers for forcing this serious problem to be debated and worked on.

The issue was just swept under the rug until after the next election. Boehner, the TP'ers and Republicans didn't get what they wanted, either.

In fact, they agreed to a second step that will place most the leverage with the Democrats.

I think you're out of your mind, you don't think the pols in Washington and the talking heads on TV are going to be talking about what's going to get cut and how the tax code might be revised from now until the election?

Sure they will! And who do you suppose will have the upperhand in that conversation now that failing to compromise will cost R's the Defense budget?

Like to know why you think the dems have any leverage at all with the special committee, it'll have 6 dems and 6 repubs on it. Sounds even to me, nd BTW the dems haven't had any leverage up til now, what makes you think they'll gain any?

The Defense budget. 50% of the cuts must come from the defense budget, while the other 50% will come from everywhere else. The Dems can give a bit here, a bit there while the Republicans need to swallow a huge defense cut.

 

[eots]

"they" got everything they wanted and the rest was a little play acting for your benefit

 

[Full-Auto]

The issue was just swept under the rug until after the next election. Boehner, the TP'ers and Republicans didn't get what they wanted, either.

In fact, they agreed to a second step that will place most the leverage with the Democrats.

I think you're out of your mind, you don't think the pols in Washington and the talking heads on TV are going to be talking about what's going to get cut and how the tax code might be revised from now until the election?

Sure they will! And who do you suppose will have the upperhand in that conversation now that failing to compromise will cost R's the Defense budget?

Like to know why you think the dems have any leverage at all with the special committee, it'll have 6 dems and 6 repubs on it. Sounds even to me, nd BTW the dems haven't had any leverage up til now, what makes you think they'll gain any?

The Defense budget. 50% of the cuts must come from the defense budget, while the other 50% will come from everywhere else. The Dems can give a bit here, a bit there while the Republicans need to swallow a huge defense cut.

With the billions in social programs in the DOD bill. It wont be that hard going down.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

He's right - the Dems didn't get all they wanted and will pay politically from their base. The Republicans didn't get all they want and will pay politically from their base.

On the other hand, we avoided default which is good for the American people.

Yeah, we kicked the can down the road again. Big Win.

Oh and we found out Social Security is totally broke.

 

[8537]

With the billions in social programs in the DOD bill. It wont be that hard going down.

I'm not disagreeing with you there - it's just difficult for some (certainly not all!) Republicans to accept that there's any room for cutting defense spending - just as some Dems refuse to believe there's any room for cutting certain social programs. But the Dems got the major social programs taken off the table for round 2, while defense spending must account for 50% of the cuts (it might be 40%...I'm working from memory here).

 

[iamwhatiseem]

He's right - the Dems didn't get all they wanted and will pay politically from their base. The Republicans didn't get all they want and will pay politically from their base.

On the other hand, we avoided default which is good for the American people.

HEEEYYY!!!
You guys didn't tell me that T-M posted in two different logins!!

 

[Foxfyre]

We didn't avoid default. There never was going to be a default and they knew it. That was purely manufactured rhetoric to scare and stir up the people so they would apply pressure where the politicians wanted pressure applied. And unfortunately, those not paying attention or so partisan blind they can't see fell for it.

Those on the right who were demanding fiscal responsibility and accountability got almost nothing they wanted. Essentially no budget cuts--those promised won't be upheld by future congresses. Such promises never do.

So we are left with:

The 2012 budget was slashed by $36 billion which translates to being raised $7 billion less than it otherwise would have been raised. There is no actual reduction of any budgeted item. And a legislation gimmick was used in the negotiations that the budget is now deemed to be passed. Meaning it will just go into effect and they won't vote on it. (The old Gephardt Rule or Slaughter Solution.)

The only items addressed in Social Security or Medicare was a possible trigger forcing a2% reduction in payments to Medicare providers meaning more doctors will stop accepting Medicare patients.

The "Super Congress" charged to find $1.5 trilion in more cuts by Thanksgiving is actualy rigged to force some revenue increases. The Bush tax cuts are off the table but when it comes to actually making tough choices, it is unlikely that at least one of the six will balk which will kill the initiative.

The $350 billion in Pentagon cuts are a win for liberals as entitlement benefits won't be touched. Just $7 billion will be cut in 2012 and $3 bilion in 2013 and of that combined $10 billion, half will be from the Pentagon. Anybody want to lay odds that a future Congress will have incentive to do more?

The debt ceiling: Raising the debt ceiling through 2013 will not be contingent on the second round of cuts. There will merely be a vote of disapproval. This avoids another messy fight in January and another round of painful forced cuts.

Discretionary spending would be cut by $21 billion in 2012 and $42 billion in 2013, according to an analysis by the Congressional Budget Office. A drop in the bucket considering it is only cuts in increases and not actually less money to be spent.

President Obama gets all the extra cash he wants to spend and the debt is still on track to grow by $7 billion over the next 10 years. (Such estimates are usually about half or two thirds less than what the actual debt will be if we continue as we are.)

FINAL ANALYSIS: The GOP caved, the Democrats got pretty much everything they wanted, and the President is speaking right now spinning even a more outrageous web of smoke and mirrors to convince his constituency that they actually did something worthwhile.

Meanwhile we are still in serious danger of a downgrade of our credit rating, unemployment will continue to hover around 10% and will likely get worse, the debt clock hasn't even slowed down a little bit, and the train continues a headlong rush toward the bankruptcy cliff.

I am seriously close to tears here.

 

[Wiseacre]

The issue was just swept under the rug until after the next election. Boehner, the TP'ers and Republicans didn't get what they wanted, either.

In fact, they agreed to a second step that will place most the leverage with the Democrats.

I think you're out of your mind, you don't think the pols in Washington and the talking heads on TV are going to be talking about what's going to get cut and how the tax code might be revised from now until the election?

Sure they will! And who do you suppose will have the upperhand in that conversation now that failing to compromise will cost R's the Defense budget?

Like to know why you think the dems have any leverage at all with the special committee, it'll have 6 dems and 6 repubs on it. Sounds even to me, nd BTW the dems haven't had any leverage up til now, what makes you think they'll gain any?

The Defense budget. 50% of the cuts must come from the defense budget, while the other 50% will come from everywhere else. The Dems can give a bit here, a bit there while the Republicans need to swallow a huge defense cut.

So you think Obama wants to go into the election cutting defense spending by that much while he's trying to fight wars in several places? True, the GOP really hates it, but I think you over estimate their position here. Remember, whoever the GOP candidate is will have clean hands from not being a part of this. And BTW, Medicare takes a hit too, don't think the Dems don't have their own problems even if it is to providers rather than beneficiaries. For the life of me I cannot envision how the dems can possibly think that they can reduce Medicare spending that much AND and it millions of new participants wih little or no impact. I don't think many voters will be fooled.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

With the billions in social programs in the DOD bill. It wont be that hard going down.

I'm not disagreeing with you there - it's just difficult for some (certainly not all!) Republicans to accept that there's any room for cutting defense spending - just as some Dems refuse to believe there's any room for cutting certain social programs. But the Dems got the major social programs taken off the table for round 2, while defense spending must account for 50% of the cuts (it might be 40%...I'm working from memory here).

The 50% cut in defense only occurs if the committee plan is voted down in congress. No debates or amendments are allowed either. So its not a definite cut of that amount unless the committee plans are voted down.

Don't be so giddy....