HARD RIGHT TURN: How The GOP Destroyed Its Moderates

[Oddball]

And Chimpola is virtually indistinguishable from leftist hardliner LBJ.....So much for Boiking's credentials as being any kind of "moderate".

 

[Freewill]

Obama's 1st term= Bu$h II's 3rd term to a degree. Obamneycare was a creature of guess who? The American Enterprise Institute (research arm of Fox News ) (Google it) MAYBE Obama will be a REAL Leftist once he's reelected & doesn't have to be concerned w/ Independent/Undecideds.

You eXtreme Rightards need to put the kool aid down

What you mean is concerned with the majority of the voters. He will then be more flexible when dealing with the Russians.

 

[Oddball]

Always amusing to get critiques from far left progressive/socialist fundie kooks like Spamahontas, about how immoderate the GOP has become.

Hey Jethro, is this a 'critique from a far left progressive/socialist fundie kook'?


Victor Gold, former speechwriter for George Herbert Walker Bush is a Goldwater conservative...his book explains how the GOP was hijacked away from conservatives by far right theocrats and far left neocons...starting in 1980...

The "far right" theocrats are the neocons, you nincompoop.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Yes, we should take input from a Party that has run up annual trillion deficits, taken God out of their party, got us downgraded and can't wait to take orders from Putin.

Thaaaaaaaaank you

 

[blackhawk]

I will take a hard left liberals view of the Republican party as serious as the left would take of Rush Limbaugh's view of the Democratic party.

 

[Saigon]

Let's add.....In actions, not words.

I want to hear this one.

I'm surprised you can't answer it yourself.

1) By becoming addicted to tax cuts as the basis for all economic policy - a far cry from conservative governments of earlier eras.

2) By constantly wanting to over-fund the military - something not a given even going back to the 1950's.

3) By basically ignoring all scientific evidence of climate change - in the past conservatives have often triumphed scientific thinking.

4) By opposing and diminishing development aid, whereas earlier conservatives often felt development aid was a Christian act.

5) By opposing immigration and immigrants - whereas earlier conservatives often felt the economy benefitted from incoming cheap labour.

Shall I go on?

 

[kaz]

After four decades as a Republican insider, Victor Gold reveals how the holy-rollers and the Neo-Cons have destroyed the GOP. Now he's fighting to get his party back

Do you realize that "holy-rollers" and "Neo-Cons" are entirely different groups? The title is an Oxymoron because even though there is some overlap, you can't prioritize the socon agenda over the neocon agenda and vice versa at the same time. And the majority of Socons are not neocons and the majority of neocons are not socons. The author is the regular type of moron and it' kills his credibility that he doesn't know the difference.

 

[Dot Com]

Yes, we should take input from a Party that has run up annual trillion deficits, taken God out of their party, got us downgraded and can't wait to take orders from Putin.

Thaaaaaaaaank you

Whats god got to do w/ government (and don't give me the in god we trust group-think instituted during the red scare to make us look like super theocrats.)

Also, you referring to the totally avoidable T-Party downgrade?

 

[bripat9643]

Hate to break the news to you but Obama is a moderate. I should know, I'm a Progressive

Democrats would claim Pol Pot is a moderate if he was running for office in this country.

 

[kaz]

Always amusing to get critiques from far left progressive/socialist fundie kooks like Spamahontas, about how immoderate the GOP has become.

Hey Jethro, is this a 'critique from a far left progressive/socialist fundie kook'?


Victor Gold, former speechwriter for George Herbert Walker Bush is a Goldwater conservative...his book explains how the GOP was hijacked away from conservatives by far right theocrats and far left neocons...starting in 1980...

The "far right" theocrats are the neocons, you nincompoop.

??? what does neocon have to do with theocracy?

 

[Oddball]

After four decades as a Republican insider, Victor Gold reveals how the holy-rollers and the Neo-Cons have destroyed the GOP. Now he's fighting to get his party back

Do you realize that "holy-rollers" and "Neo-Cons" are entirely different groups? The title is an Oxymoron because even though there is some overlap, you can't prioritize the socon agenda over the neocon agenda and vice versa at the same time. And the majority of Socons are not neocons and the majority of neocons are not socons. The author is the regular type of moron and it' kills his credibility that he doesn't know the difference.

Actually, they're not.....Holy rollers like Santorum totally buy into international warmongering, domestic nanny-statism, and support the socialistic welfare state every bit as much as any other of them.

 

[kaz]

After four decades as a Republican insider, Victor Gold reveals how the holy-rollers and the Neo-Cons have destroyed the GOP. Now he's fighting to get his party back

Do you realize that "holy-rollers" and "Neo-Cons" are entirely different groups? The title is an Oxymoron because even though there is some overlap, you can't prioritize the socon agenda over the neocon agenda and vice versa at the same time. And the majority of Socons are not neocons and the majority of neocons are not socons. The author is the regular type of moron and it' kills his credibility that he doesn't know the difference.

Actually, they're not.....Holy rollers like Santorum totally buy into international warmongering, domestic nanny-statism, and support the socialistic welfare state every bit as much as any other of them.

I agreed there is overlap, giving an example of someone in both groups doesn't make them the same. Obama has ruled as a neocon, does that mean he's a socon?

 

[Dot Com]

do any of you conz want to continue the 10+ yr wars, what good will it do, and who will pay for it?

 

[bripat9643]

Let's add.....In actions, not words.

I want to hear this one.

I'm surprised you can't answer it yourself.

1) By becoming addicted to tax cuts as the basis for all economic policy - a far cry from conservative governments of earlier eras.

Republicans have favored tax cuts since the 1920s.

2) By constantly wanting to over-fund the military - something not a given even going back to the 1950's.

during the Kennedy administration, military spending consumed more than 50% of the federal budget. Now it consumes 20%. Of course, back in those days some Democrats actually supported defense spending. Now they want to convert it all to welfare. Democrats have changed their tune about defense spending, not Republicans.

3) By basically ignoring all scientific evidence of climate change - in the past conservatives have often triumphed scientific thinking.

The tactic of using bogus science to advance their socialist agenda is recent development, so it's a non sequiture to claim opposition to it represents some change in Republican attitudes.

4) By opposing and diminishing development aid, whereas earlier conservatives often felt development aid was a Christian act.

No one ever support foreign aid because of Christianity.

5) By opposing immigration and immigrants - whereas earlier conservatives often felt the economy benefitted from incoming cheap labour.

Eisenhower is the one who launched Operation Wetback, so that claim is obviously idiotic.

Shall I go on?

Please do. The results are hilarious.

 

[kaz]

Do you realize that "holy-rollers" and "Neo-Cons" are entirely different groups? The title is an Oxymoron because even though there is some overlap, you can't prioritize the socon agenda over the neocon agenda and vice versa at the same time. And the majority of Socons are not neocons and the majority of neocons are not socons. The author is the regular type of moron and it' kills his credibility that he doesn't know the difference.

Actually, they're not.....Holy rollers like Santorum totally buy into international warmongering, domestic nanny-statism, and support the socialistic welfare state every bit as much as any other of them.

I agreed there is overlap, giving an example of someone in both groups doesn't make them the same. Obama has ruled as a neocon, does that mean he's a socon?

Some examples of each combo

W - socon and neocon
Rush, Coulter - socon, not neocon
Hillary, Lieberman - neocon, not socon
Reid, Pelosi - not neocon or socon

 

[Bfgrn]

Always amusing to get critiques from far left progressive/socialist fundie kooks like Spamahontas, about how immoderate the GOP has become.

Hey Jethro, is this a 'critique from a far left progressive/socialist fundie kook'?


Victor Gold, former speechwriter for George Herbert Walker Bush is a Goldwater conservative...his book explains how the GOP was hijacked away from conservatives by far right theocrats and far left neocons...starting in 1980...

The "far right" theocrats are the neocons, you nincompoop.

Here is your list of names for the day...

Henry 'Scoop' Jackson, Richard 'Prince of Darkness' Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, Scooter Libby, Douglas Feith, Robert Kagan, Norman Podhoretz, John Podhoretz, Alan Dershowtiz, Daniel Pipes, Eliot Cohen, Irving Kristol, Bill Kristol, Max Boot, James Schlesinger, Marc Grossman, Joshua Bolten, Frank Gaffney, Michael Rubin.

If you don't find them at Sunday services at Falwell's Thomas Road Baptist Church, or sitting around watching Pat Robertson's 'The 700 Club', check the Synagogues...

oy vay!

 

[jillian]

Hey Jethro, is this a 'critique from a far left progressive/socialist fundie kook'?


Victor Gold, former speechwriter for George Herbert Walker Bush is a Goldwater conservative...his book explains how the GOP was hijacked away from conservatives by far right theocrats and far left neocons...starting in 1980...

The "far right" theocrats are the neocons, you nincompoop.

Here is your list of names for the day...

Henry 'Scoop' Jackson, Richard 'Prince of Darkness' Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, Scooter Libby, Douglas Feith, Robert Kagan, Norman Podhoretz, John Podhoretz, Alan Dershowtiz, Daniel Pipes, Eliot Cohen, Irving Kristol, Bill Kristol, Max Boot, James Schlesinger, Marc Grossman, Joshua Bolten, Frank Gaffney, Michael Rubin.

If you don't find them at Sunday services at Falwell's Thomas Road Baptist Church, or sitting around watching Pat Robertson's 'The 700 Club', check the Synagogues...

oy vay!

screw you...

some names you left out...

richard armitage
dick cheney
donald rumsfeld
peter rodman
francis fukuyama
bill bennet
zalmay khalizad

and those were just names off of the pnac letter to bill clinton in 1998

Letter to President Clinton on Iraq

p.s. scoop jackson isn't jewish, neither are bolton or schlesinger ... oops.

so no to both of you... it is not only far-right theocrats who are neo-cons... it's just one section of the GOP ... far more numerous than the wacko randians.

 

[squeeze berry]

Let's add.....In actions, not words.

I want to hear this one.

I'm surprised you can't answer it yourself.

1) By becoming addicted to tax cuts as the basis for all economic policy - a far cry from conservative governments of earlier eras.

2) By constantly wanting to over-fund the military - something not a given even going back to the 1950's.

3) By basically ignoring all scientific evidence of climate change - in the past conservatives have often triumphed scientific thinking.

4) By opposing and diminishing development aid, whereas earlier conservatives often felt development aid was a Christian act.

5) By opposing immigration and immigrants - whereas earlier conservatives often felt the economy benefitted from incoming cheap labour.

Shall I go on?

but why do you consider that "far right" ?

Some of it is common sense

 

[California Girl]

Hate to break the news to you but Obama is a moderate. I should know, I'm a Progressive

Democrats would claim Pol Pot is a moderate if he was running for office in this country.

And Mother Teresa would be a religious extremist according to the left. The left lost their tenuous grasp on reality long ago.

 

[kaz]

Let's add.....In actions, not words.

I want to hear this one.

I'm surprised you can't answer it yourself.

1) By becoming addicted to tax cuts as the basis for all economic policy - a far cry from conservative governments of earlier eras.

2) By constantly wanting to over-fund the military - something not a given even going back to the 1950's.

3) By basically ignoring all scientific evidence of climate change - in the past conservatives have often triumphed scientific thinking.

4) By opposing and diminishing development aid, whereas earlier conservatives often felt development aid was a Christian act.

5) By opposing immigration and immigrants - whereas earlier conservatives often felt the economy benefitted from incoming cheap labour.

Shall I go on?

Do you have any examples that aren't driven by the use of controlled substances?