Hansen's way of dealing with inconvenient history

[wirebender]

One is the global temperature, one is the US temperature. And your problem is what?

You really aren't able to read a graph are you?

 

[IanC]

One is the global temperature, one is the US temperature. And your problem is what?

You really aren't able to read a graph are you?

he finds some graphs easier to read than others.

any other warmers out there feel like explaining why wholesale changes were made post-1999? the reason, not the method.

 

[wirebender]

he finds some graphs easier to read than others.

any other warmers out there feel like explaining why wholesale changes were made post-1999? the reason, not the method.

My bet is that you just killed the thread. Hard evidence of data tampering isn't an argument a warmist is likely to engage.

 

[IanC]

hahaha. it wouldnt be the first time OR ducked questiins about the integrity of his heroes.

 

[wirebender]

hahaha. it wouldnt be the first time OR ducked questiins about the integrity of his heroes.

Priests, not heroes. The man is clearly a religous zealot.

 

[editec]

What I truly don't get is why people take this debate so personally

When people cannot agree on the data debating its significance is pointless.

So now the global weirding debate becomes a debate about which data sets are real.

And all one can do under those circumstances is try to make the case that one data set is superior to the other.

But instead the debate becomes nothing but silly character assassination.

Why?

 

[wirebender]

What I truly don't get is why people take this debate so personally

When people cannot agree on the data debating its significance is pointless.

So now the global weirding debate becomes a debate about which data sets are real.

And all one can do under those circumstances is try to make the case that one data set is superior to the other.

But instead the debate becomes nothing but silly character assassination.

Why?

At its heart, it isn't even a debate over which data set is real. Show me any data set in which the claimed temperature rise is greater than the margin of error. It is a debate over critical thinking and common sense. If the margin of error of any given data set is greater than the claimed rise in temperature, and vastly expensive government plans are being made based on said data, then the debate must be engaged and the debate isn't about the data. It is about the character and integrity of those sounding an alarm and asking for draconian action to be taken on the basis of data that fails the reality test.

 

[IanC]

bump for flacaltenn

 

[IanC]

I went back to 2007 and got the figures for the top 10 US GISS years AFTER the correction for the Y2K bug and added 2011 numbers
Top 10 GISS U.S. Temperature deviation (deg C) in New Order
8/7/2007

Year Old New 2011
1934 1.23 1.25 1.195
1998 1.24 1.23 1.318
1921 1.12 1.15 1.080
2006 1.23 1.13 1.292
1931 1.08 1.08 0.965
1999 0.94 0.93 1.068
1953 0.91 0.90 0.859
1990 0.88 0.87 0.918
1938 0.85 0.86 0.750
1939 0.84 0.85 0.773

notice anything? all the pre-1990 numbers are significantly lower and all the post-1990 numbers are significantly higher. was there a press conference I missed describing why the temperature data set was massively changed?

 

[IanC]

you out there Old Rocks? still waiting

 

[skookerasbil]

In my line of work................its graphs, graphs, graphs 24/7.........people have no idea how easy it is to manipulate them to paint a certain picture. Same with statistics.........infinately able to be fcukked with, and trust me.........nobody is better at fcukking with graphs than the climate k00ks. They have NO peers!!!

 

[RollingThunder]

http://stevengoddard.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/fig1x.gif?w=500&h=182 from NASA GISS: Science Briefs: Whither U.S. Climate?

hmmmm....the graphs appear to be corrupted.

here is a copy
http://stevengoddard.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/fig1x1.gif?w=500&h=182


and of course the blink comparer to show how the data has been 'improved' since 1999
http://stevengoddard.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/1998changesannotated.gif?w=500&h=355&h=355

the internet seems to have caused a problem with the 'memory hole' (Orwell's 1984)

and BTW, did any of you see it being discussed in the media that last year was the 23rd warmest year on record in the US? no? did you hear that 2010 was tied for the warmest year? of course you did.

More denier cult nonsense from oil industry stooge Stephen Goddard.

Here's the actual facts.

Despite Subtle Differences, Global Temperature Records in Close Agreement
NASA - GISS
January 13, 2011
(excerpts)

Groups of scientists from several major institutions — NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS), NOAA's National Climatic Data Center (NCDC), the Japanese Meteorological Agency and the Met Office Hadley Centre in the United Kingdom — tally data collected by temperature monitoring stations spread around the world and make an announcement about whether the previous year was a comparatively warm or cool year.

"The three official records vary slightly because of subtle differences in the way we analyze the data, but they agree extraordinarily well," said Dr. Reto Ruedy, one of Hansen's colleagues at GISS who helps analyze global surface temperatures.

All three records show peaks and valleys that vary in virtual sync with each other since 1880. All three show particularly rapid warming in the last few decades. And all three show the last decade is the warmest in the instrumental record.

Invariably, a great deal of attention centers on each year's ranking, but it is critical to focus on the decade-long trends that matter more, the GISS scientists emphasize. On that time scale, the three records are unequivocal: the last decade has been the warmest on record.

Multiple institutions monitor global surface temperatures. Despite subtle differences in the ways
the scientists perform their analyses, these four widely referenced records show remarkable agreement.
(Image credit: NASA Earth Observatory/Robert Simmon)

In 2010, global temperatures continued to rise. A new analysis from the Goddard Institute for Space Studies shows that
2010 tied with 2005 as the warmest year on record, and was part of the warmest decade on record. The thin line represents
annual data, while the thick line is a five-year running mean.
(Image credit: NASA Earth Observatory/Robert Simmon)

***

 

[skookerasbil]

http://stevengoddard.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/fig1x.gif?w=500&h=182 from NASA GISS: Science Briefs: Whither U.S. Climate?

hmmmm....the graphs appear to be corrupted.

here is a copy
http://stevengoddard.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/fig1x1.gif?w=500&h=182


and of course the blink comparer to show how the data has been 'improved' since 1999
http://stevengoddard.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/1998changesannotated.gif?w=500&h=355&h=355

the internet seems to have caused a problem with the 'memory hole' (Orwell's 1984)

and BTW, did any of you see it being discussed in the media that last year was the 23rd warmest year on record in the US? no? did you hear that 2010 was tied for the warmest year? of course you did.

More denier cult nonsense from oil industry stooge Stephen Goddard.

Here's the actual facts.

Despite Subtle Differences, Global Temperature Records in Close Agreement
NASA - GISS
January 13, 2011
(excerpts)

Groups of scientists from several major institutions — NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS), NOAA's National Climatic Data Center (NCDC), the Japanese Meteorological Agency and the Met Office Hadley Centre in the United Kingdom — tally data collected by temperature monitoring stations spread around the world and make an announcement about whether the previous year was a comparatively warm or cool year.

"The three official records vary slightly because of subtle differences in the way we analyze the data, but they agree extraordinarily well," said Dr. Reto Ruedy, one of Hansen's colleagues at GISS who helps analyze global surface temperatures.

All three records show peaks and valleys that vary in virtual sync with each other since 1880. All three show particularly rapid warming in the last few decades. And all three show the last decade is the warmest in the instrumental record.

Invariably, a great deal of attention centers on each year's ranking, but it is critical to focus on the decade-long trends that matter more, the GISS scientists emphasize. On that time scale, the three records are unequivocal: the last decade has been the warmest on record.

Multiple institutions monitor global surface temperatures. Despite subtle differences in the ways
the scientists perform their analyses, these four widely referenced records show remarkable agreement.
(Image credit: NASA Earth Observatory/Robert Simmon)

In 2010, global temperatures continued to rise. A new analysis from the Goddard Institute for Space Studies shows that
2010 tied with 2005 as the warmest year on record, and was part of the warmest decade on record. The thin line represents
annual data, while the thick line is a five-year running mean.
(Image credit: NASA Earth Observatory/Robert Simmon)

***

0.4 Degrees!!!


w0w..............w0w!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




Gee......thats really mindnumbing s0n!!! Astounding actually..............


There are simply some people that you can toss onto any Likert Scale ( frequently used for charting mood for people with depressive disorders) and make one end of it HYSTERICAL.............. and no matter what you're trying to measure in life, they're going to tend to the hysterical end in most area's. We all know them in our lives.....the one's who you walk away from after a conversation and just shrug your shoulders and giggle your ass off!!!

 

[RollingThunder]

0.4 Degrees!!!
w0w..............w0w!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Gee......thats really mindnumbing s0n!!! Astounding actually..............

I guess everything must "astound" clueless retards like you, kookster. Here's something else to "astound" you.

Global Temperatures

The year 2010 tied with 2005 as the warmest year since records began in 1880. The annual global combined land and ocean surface temperature was 0.62°C (1.12°F) above the 20th century average. The range associated with this value is plus or minus 0.07°C (0.13°F). The 2010 combined land and ocean surface temperature in the Northern Hemisphere was also the warmest on record, while the combined land and ocean surface temperature in the Southern Hemisphere was the sixth warmest such period on record. The annual globally averaged land temperature was 0.96°C (1.73°F) above average, which tied with 2005 as the second warmest year record. The range associated with this value is plus or minus 0.11°C (0.20°F). The warmest year was 2007, at 0.99°C (1.78°F) above the 20th century average. The decadal global land and ocean average temperature anomaly for 2001–2010 was the warmest decade on record for the globe, with a surface global temperature of 0.56°C (1.01°F) above the 20th century average. This surpassed the previous decadal record (1991–2000) value of 0.36°C (0.65°F).

There are simply some people that you can toss onto any Likert Scale ( frequently used for charting mood for people with depressive disorders) and make one end of it HYSTERICAL.............. and no matter what you're trying to measure in life, they're going to tend to the hysterical end in most area's. We all know them in our lives.....the one's who you walk away from after a conversation and just shrug your shoulders and giggle your ass off!!!

There are simply some people (the kookster is a good example) that you can toss onto any intelligence distribution curve and they wind up down in the thin part of the curve at the low end marked "extremely retarded". We all know them from encounters in daily life and from watching rightwingnut politicians and FauxNews talking heads make fools of themselves.....the ones who you laugh at for their clueless stupidity, abysmal ignorance and brainwashed allegiance to the 'retard party' line. These people fill the ranks of the deluded dingbats of the astro-turfed cult of AGW denial that the fossil fuel industry has ginned up.

 

[skookerasbil]

0.4 Degrees!!!
w0w..............w0w!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Gee......thats really mindnumbing s0n!!! Astounding actually..............

I guess everything must "astound" clueless retards like you, kookster. Here's something else to "astound" you.

Global Temperatures

The year 2010 tied with 2005 as the warmest year since records began in 1880. The annual global combined land and ocean surface temperature was 0.62°C (1.12°F) above the 20th century average. The range associated with this value is plus or minus 0.07°C (0.13°F). The 2010 combined land and ocean surface temperature in the Northern Hemisphere was also the warmest on record, while the combined land and ocean surface temperature in the Southern Hemisphere was the sixth warmest such period on record. The annual globally averaged land temperature was 0.96°C (1.73°F) above average, which tied with 2005 as the second warmest year record. The range associated with this value is plus or minus 0.11°C (0.20°F). The warmest year was 2007, at 0.99°C (1.78°F) above the 20th century average. The decadal global land and ocean average temperature anomaly for 2001–2010 was the warmest decade on record for the globe, with a surface global temperature of 0.56°C (1.01°F) above the 20th century average. This surpassed the previous decadal record (1991–2000) value of 0.36°C (0.65°F).

There are simply some people that you can toss onto any Likert Scale ( frequently used for charting mood for people with depressive disorders) and make one end of it HYSTERICAL.............. and no matter what you're trying to measure in life, they're going to tend to the hysterical end in most area's. We all know them in our lives.....the one's who you walk away from after a conversation and just shrug your shoulders and giggle your ass off!!!

There are simply some people (the kookster is a good example) that you can toss onto any intelligence distribution curve and they wind up down in the thin part of the curve at the low end marked "extremely retarded". We all know them from encounters in daily life and from watching rightwingnut politicians and FauxNews talking heads make fools of themselves.....the one's who you laugh at for their clueless stupidity, abysmal ignorance and brainwashed allegiance to the 'retard party' line. These people fill the ranks of the deluded dingbats of the astro-turfed cult of AGW denial that the fossil fuel industry has ginned up.

 

[skookerasbil]

 

[whitehall]

What do you rely on when you don't have "empirical evidence"? Faith in political agendas.

 

[skookerasbil]

 

[skookerasbil]

What do you rely on when you don't have "empirical evidence"? Faith in political agendas.

Indeed.......the Rolling Thunder guy would gleefully buy a big old bag of dog poop for $1,000.00 a pop if it was packaged just right!! These people grow up in thatched cottages and fall for every single PC bullshit thing hook, line and stinker.

 

[westwall]

http://stevengoddard.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/fig1x.gif?w=500&h=182 from NASA GISS: Science Briefs: Whither U.S. Climate?

hmmmm....the graphs appear to be corrupted.

here is a copy
http://stevengoddard.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/fig1x1.gif?w=500&h=182


and of course the blink comparer to show how the data has been 'improved' since 1999
http://stevengoddard.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/1998changesannotated.gif?w=500&h=355&h=355

the internet seems to have caused a problem with the 'memory hole' (Orwell's 1984)

and BTW, did any of you see it being discussed in the media that last year was the 23rd warmest year on record in the US? no? did you hear that 2010 was tied for the warmest year? of course you did.

More denier cult nonsense from oil industry stooge Stephen Goddard.

Here's the actual facts.

Despite Subtle Differences, Global Temperature Records in Close Agreement
NASA - GISS
January 13, 2011
(excerpts)

Groups of scientists from several major institutions — NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS), NOAA's National Climatic Data Center (NCDC), the Japanese Meteorological Agency and the Met Office Hadley Centre in the United Kingdom — tally data collected by temperature monitoring stations spread around the world and make an announcement about whether the previous year was a comparatively warm or cool year.

"The three official records vary slightly because of subtle differences in the way we analyze the data, but they agree extraordinarily well," said Dr. Reto Ruedy, one of Hansen's colleagues at GISS who helps analyze global surface temperatures.

All three records show peaks and valleys that vary in virtual sync with each other since 1880. All three show particularly rapid warming in the last few decades. And all three show the last decade is the warmest in the instrumental record.

Invariably, a great deal of attention centers on each year's ranking, but it is critical to focus on the decade-long trends that matter more, the GISS scientists emphasize. On that time scale, the three records are unequivocal: the last decade has been the warmest on record.

Multiple institutions monitor global surface temperatures. Despite subtle differences in the ways
the scientists perform their analyses, these four widely referenced records show remarkable agreement.
(Image credit: NASA Earth Observatory/Robert Simmon)

In 2010, global temperatures continued to rise. A new analysis from the Goddard Institute for Space Studies shows that
2010 tied with 2005 as the warmest year on record, and was part of the warmest decade on record. The thin line represents
annual data, while the thick line is a five-year running mean.
(Image credit: NASA Earth Observatory/Robert Simmon)

***

Really? You're that petrified of a 0.4 degree rise? What do you think the temp swing is in your neck of the woods between winter and summer? Do you melt like a bowl of ice cream? Are you a bowl of ice cream?