Hansen's way of dealing with inconvenient history

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    [​IMG] from http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/briefs/hansen_07/

    hmmmm....the graphs appear to be corrupted.

    here is a copy
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    and of course the blink comparer to show how the data has been 'improved' since 1999
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    the internet seems to have caused a problem with the 'memory hole' (Orwell's 1984)

    and BTW, did any of you see it being discussed in the media that last year was the 23rd warmest year on record in the US? no? did you hear that 2010 was tied for the warmest year? of course you did.
     
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    One is the global temperature, one is the US temperature. And your problem is what?
     
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    Hey if we are having a big ol winter storm in the northern US we cannot be having global warming can we?
     
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    wild weather is all a part of the proof
     
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    my problem is that an incovenient graph on the NASA GISS site just happened to develop a problem in 2011. wouldnt it be interesting to be able to see every year's graph?

    Old Rocks - do you think it is reasonable that past history data is changed every year?
     
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    NASA GISS: Science Briefs: Whither U.S. Climate?

    Science Briefs
    Whither U.S. Climate?
    By James Hansen, Reto Ruedy, Jay Glascoe and Makiko Sato — August 1999

    What's happening to our climate? Was the heat wave and drought in the Eastern United States in 1999 a sign of global warming?

    Empirical evidence does not lend much support to the notion that climate is headed precipitately toward more extreme heat and drought. The drought of 1999 covered a smaller area than the 1988 drought, when the Mississippi almost dried up. And 1988 was a temporary inconvenience as compared with repeated droughts during the 1930s "Dust Bowl" that caused an exodus from the prairies, as chronicled in Steinbeck's Grapes of Wrath.

    How can the absence of clear climate change in the United States be reconciled with continued reports of record global temperature? Part of the "answer" is that U.S. climate has been following a different course than global climate, at least so far. Figure 1 compares the temperature history in the U.S. and the world for the past 120 years. The U.S. has warmed during the past century, but the warming hardly exceeds year-to-year variability. Indeed, in the U.S. the warmest decade was the 1930s and the warmest year was 1934. Global temperature, in contrast, had passed 1930s values by 1980 and the world has warmed at a remarkable rate over the last 25 years.
     
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    NASA GISS: Science Briefs: Whither U.S. Climate?

    The upshot is that we will be able to understand climate change well only with the help of global climate models that are able to incorporate all of these mechanisms on an equal footing. We will be able to test our understanding during the era of satellite measurements, when all of these forcing factors can be measured accurately.

    In the meantime, we can venture two "predictions" on "whither U.S. climate". First, regarding U.S. temperature, we have argued (Hansen et al., 1999a) that the next decade will be warmer than the 1990s, rivaling if not exceeding the 1930s. The basis for that prediction is the expectation of continued greenhouse warming and probable slackening of regional ocean cooling. Second, regarding precipitation and drought, even without analysis of regional patterns of change, we can offer the probabilistic statement that the frequencies of both extremes, heavy precipitation and floods on the one hand and droughts and forest fires on the other, will increase with increasing global temperature. The rationale for this (Hansen et al., 1991) is that increased surface heating increases evaporation, and this increases the intensity of both precipitation and drought conditions where and when they occur.

    More quantitative predictions should be possible soon based on global climate models and satellite observations. Model runs for the past 50 years suggest that it is possible to simulate regional climate trends realistically. Simulations for the future will depend upon estimates of trends in climate forcings derived from global satellite observations and analyses.
     
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    Answer IanC's question olfraud. Is it OK to continuously go back and falsify data?
     

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