Handling Hamas

Discussion in 'Middle East - General' started by liberalogic, Jan 27, 2006.

  1. liberalogic
    Offline

    liberalogic Member

    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2006
    Messages:
    539
    Thanks Received:
    48
    Trophy Points:
    16
    Location:
    NJ
    Ratings:
    +49
    President Bush said Hamas can't be a partner in peace unless it renounces its goal to destroy Israel. Israel refuses to recognize Hamas as the government. Hamas "offered to renew a truce with Israel, but ruled out direct talk with the Jewish state."

    So what are we supposed to do now in order to continue pushing our desire for peace in the Middle East?

    While Hamas has done many troubling things in the past, I think that alienating them completely is a wrong move. I think right now, right after the "election" before more bad blood flows, we need to step in and ignite some form of negotiation. Pushing them away now pushes the the peace process in the Middle East further and further away as well.
     
  2. 5stringJeff
    Offline

    5stringJeff Senior Member

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2003
    Messages:
    9,990
    Thanks Received:
    536
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Location:
    Puyallup, WA
    Ratings:
    +540
    We should tell Hamas that their cry-baby stance of not negotiating with their next dorr neighbors will not be tolerated.

    Israel should tell the new gov't that any terrorist attack will be considered an attack by the Palestinian government, and will be dealt with accordingly.
     
  3. ekrem
    Offline

    ekrem VIP Member

    Joined:
    Aug 9, 2005
    Messages:
    7,243
    Thanks Received:
    370
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Ratings:
    +375

    Yes. All parties have to talk witheachother for progress of the situation.


    By the way: Very interesting to look.


    B'TSELEM - The Israeli Information Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories was established in 1989 by a group of prominent academics, attorneys, journalists, and Knesset members.

    Palestinians killed by Israeli Security Forces - Monthly Tables
    http://www.btselem.org/English/Stat..._by_Israeli_security_forces_montly_tables.asp



    Israeli civilians killed by Palestinians - Monthly tables
    http://www.btselem.org/English/Statistics/Israeli_civilians_killed_by_Palestinians_Montly_Tables.asp
     
  4. 5stringJeff
    Offline

    5stringJeff Senior Member

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2003
    Messages:
    9,990
    Thanks Received:
    536
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Location:
    Puyallup, WA
    Ratings:
    +540
    Interesting tables. However, they did not note how many of the Palestinians were terrorist assholes who deserved to die. I would imagine that the majority of them were.
     
  5. liberalogic
    Offline

    liberalogic Member

    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2006
    Messages:
    539
    Thanks Received:
    48
    Trophy Points:
    16
    Location:
    NJ
    Ratings:
    +49
    By threatening, though, we are putting more distance between us and them. And by Israel not recognizing Hamas, they are being ignorant and hurting any sort of peace advancement. Hamas is there, now it's time to do deal with it; not ignore it.
     
  6. ekrem
    Offline

    ekrem VIP Member

    Joined:
    Aug 9, 2005
    Messages:
    7,243
    Thanks Received:
    370
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Ratings:
    +375
    Yes agree. Didn't thought about your point you mentioned.
    Israelis do precise attacks like they did with Jassin and others. Still, by these precise Attacks there is always a chance for colateral-damage in civilians.

    Hamas leaders are now not anymore targets for these precise attacks by Israel like in the past. This would be a horrible sign sent out to the arab world. Israel attacking an, through legitimate democratic election elected governing party.
    This must be the best day for Hamas since its being. Like a life insurance for the time being in government.


    The problem is: Hamas is Terrorist.
    But the so-called Palestinian state is not.

    Hamas going to be Palestinian state is a very complicated situation. When Hamas and Israel don't want to talk with eachother than others should mediate between them, like Turkey proposed in Davos.

    Shimon Peres: Israel may negotiate with Hamas if group shuns terror
    http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/675781.html

    This is a pragmatic and wise approach. Now everyone has to put pressure on Hamas to fullfill Peres' demands. This would be the best.
    Israel and Palestinians preventing blowing-up posted statistics above could also be helpfull.

    Hamas won't give their waepons away. But i think, when Israel isn't boycotting them. Hamas is maybe willing to resolve Hamas "soldiers" and regroupt them with official Palestinian forces.

    Boycotting Hamas will only radicalize them. Plus a high possibility that Hamas radicalizes the ministries which they govern. This wouldn't be good.
     
  7. Annie
    Offline

    Annie Diamond Member

    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2003
    Messages:
    50,847
    Thanks Received:
    4,644
    Trophy Points:
    1,790
    Ratings:
    +4,770
    I think now that Hamas has significant majority, it's easy enough for Israel and the US to call them 'a government.' While they do not 'own' land, they do represent the people that apparently have elected them, fairly. Thus they are responsible for those that act at their behest.

    Seems a much better position for Israel. Suicide bombers are committing 'acts of war.' We already have seen the response that can be expected regarding missiles lobbed from the West Bank.
     
  8. manu1959
    Offline

    manu1959 Left Coast Isolationist

    Joined:
    Oct 28, 2004
    Messages:
    13,761
    Thanks Received:
    1,625
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Location:
    california
    Ratings:
    +1,626
    this whole thing is brilliant.....

    israel used to be attacked by a nameless faceless governmetnless landless group

    so it was difficult to do anything....

    now they have a government, land a face and a name.....

    Hamas / Palestine will move to their new land and set up shop ..

    israel will watch and wait

    eventually hamas will not be able to help themsleves....

    israel will kill them all in one swoop and take their land back

    brilliant
     
  9. deaddude
    Offline

    deaddude Senior Member

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2004
    Messages:
    1,403
    Thanks Received:
    77
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Ratings:
    +77
    I can easily somthing like this happening. In fact I would find it to be incredibly funny if it did not happen. It would infuriate the Isrealies if hamas suddenly became peaceful.
     
  10. manu1959
    Offline

    manu1959 Left Coast Isolationist

    Joined:
    Oct 28, 2004
    Messages:
    13,761
    Thanks Received:
    1,625
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Location:
    california
    Ratings:
    +1,626
    do you know the story of the frog and the scorpion
     

Share This Page