Hamilton vs. Burr

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Who was worse?

  1. Hamilton

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    Who was worse: Alexander Hamilton or Aaron Burr?

    Hamilton is in vogue at present, but only because of the efforts of liars like Ron Chernow, who has spent his career licking the boots of prominent bankers.
    Burr murdered Hamilton (who had resolved to throw away his first fire). Burr also committed treason. He plotted with foreign powers to detach large regions of the U.S.

    The British Minister, Anthony Merry, reported:

    "I am encouraged to report to your Lordship the substance of some secret communications which [Burr] has sought to make to me since he has been out of office...Mr. Burr has mentioned to me that the inhabitants of Louisiana [the lands recently purchased from France] seem determined to render themselves independent of the United States and the execution of their design is only delayed by the difficulty of obtaining previously an assurance of protection and assistance from some foreign power....It is clear that Mr. Burr means to endeavor to be the instrument for effecting such a connection....He pointed out the great commercial advantage which his Majesty's dominions in general would derive from furnishing almost exclusively (as they might through Canada and New Orleans) the inhabitants of so extensive a territory....Mr. Burr observed it would be too dangerous and even premature to disclose to me at present the full extent and detail of the plan he had formed....In regard to military aid, he said, two or three frigates and the same number of smaller vessels to be stationed at the mouth of the Mississippi to prevent its being blockaded by such force as the United States could send, and to keep open the communications with the sea would be the whole that would be wanted; and in respect to money the loan of about one hundred thousand pounds would, he conceived, be sufficient for the immediate purposes of the enterprise."
     
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    According to John Adams, Washington said: “By all that I have known and heard Colonel Burr is a brave and able Officer: but the question is whether he has not equal Talents at Intrigue.”
     
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    Burr
     
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    i am a long time burr fan and did a happy dance when they reveal hamilton did not fire into the air but had a hair trigger ...quite a shock in nyc when i found you are not allowed to piss on hamiltons grave
     
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    There is no evidence that Hamilton "resolved to throw away his first fire". Hamilton fired first (narrowly missing according to some accounts) hitting a tree over Burr's head and Burr fired next hitting Hamilton in the lower abdomen. Unless you want to consider that dueling was illegal in both NY and NJ it seems that you can't convict Burr of murder.
     
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    There is Hamilton’s statement, which I linked to in the OP.

    Accounts differ.
     
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    Burr was a traitor like his coconspirator James Wilkinson. Burr was as bad as Benedict Arnold.

    Also consider Burr’s behavior during the 1800 presidential election.

    Finally Burr founded a company which promised to provide clean water for NYC to help prevent yellow fever outbreaks. This company never provided clean water and the outbreaks continued.

    Burr, Hamilton, Chase Bank and the Wooden Water Pipes : New York Traveler.net
     
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    Burr was cheated and went nuts...he should have shot jefferson
     
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    The insufferable system of 17th century "honor" coerced an otherwise intelligent politician to row across the Hudson river on a spring day and get himself shot dead by an outlaw. What does that say about Hamilton's mental stability?
     
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    Hamilton was a big fan of corruption and an aristocracy, Burr was an adventurer with grandiose plans of his own in the West, building an empire. He was preferable to Hamilton and his cabal of swindlers and traitors; Burr being ambitious in a wide open continent was no crime, and in fact pretty common; being a typical corrupt pol and enabling your friends to steal the country blind was always reprehensible. It's an easy choice who was the best man..
     

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