Hamas polices border after IDF kills man

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Hamas Islamists enforced a fragile two-day-old truce on Friday by evacuating Palestinians from a "no-go" border zone after Israel shot dead a Gaza resident there in the first fatality since the ceasefire.

The rare move by the group in control of the Gaza Strip followed intervention by Egyptian mediators who urged both sides to take steps to preserve the truce that ended eight days of fierce Israeli-Palestinian fighting on Wednesday.

Israel said its troops opened fire after protesters, some of them throwing stones, tried to breach a Gaza border fence, violating a 300-metre wide security zone where Israel has barred Palestinian access since 2009.

Hamas denounced the shooting which killed Anwar Qdeih, 23, and injured 15 other people, as a violation of the truce.

Health officials said Qdeih was shot in the head.

Palestinian Foreign Minister Riad Malki, speaking from talks with Italian leaders in Rome, said the incident was "a clear violation of the agreement and should not be repeated."

The ceasefire, though, remained intact, with no reports of rockets being fired at Israel, after Egypt contacted both sides, Palestinian sources close to the truce negotiators said.

Hamas security officials, coming closer to the Israeli border fence than ever before, escorted Palestinians away from the site, witnesses, including a Reuters photographer, said.

A Palestinian security source confirmed the move to Reuters, saying "yes, there are instructions to implement the agreement and at the same time protect the people. The instruction is not to allow people to approach the border fence."

Hamas spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri said that "deploying national security members on the edges (border) was in implementation of the (truce) agreement and to provide protection to the farmers in that area."

Hamas polices border after IDF kills man - Israel News, Ynetnews

So does that qualify as security cooperation with the IDF? Will Israel have to start paying Hamas security forces or sending them cards on their birthdays?
 
Hamas Islamists enforced a fragile two-day-old truce on Friday by evacuating Palestinians from a "no-go" border zone after Israel shot dead a Gaza resident there in the first fatality since the ceasefire.

The rare move by the group in control of the Gaza Strip followed intervention by Egyptian mediators who urged both sides to take steps to preserve the truce that ended eight days of fierce Israeli-Palestinian fighting on Wednesday.

Israel said its troops opened fire after protesters, some of them throwing stones, tried to breach a Gaza border fence, violating a 300-metre wide security zone where Israel has barred Palestinian access since 2009.

Hamas denounced the shooting which killed Anwar Qdeih, 23, and injured 15 other people, as a violation of the truce.

Health officials said Qdeih was shot in the head.

Palestinian Foreign Minister Riad Malki, speaking from talks with Italian leaders in Rome, said the incident was "a clear violation of the agreement and should not be repeated."

The ceasefire, though, remained intact, with no reports of rockets being fired at Israel, after Egypt contacted both sides, Palestinian sources close to the truce negotiators said.

Hamas security officials, coming closer to the Israeli border fence than ever before, escorted Palestinians away from the site, witnesses, including a Reuters photographer, said.

A Palestinian security source confirmed the move to Reuters, saying "yes, there are instructions to implement the agreement and at the same time protect the people. The instruction is not to allow people to approach the border fence."

Hamas spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri said that "deploying national security members on the edges (border) was in implementation of the (truce) agreement and to provide protection to the farmers in that area."

Hamas polices border after IDF kills man - Israel News, Ynetnews

So does that qualify as security cooperation with the IDF? Will Israel have to start paying Hamas security forces or sending them cards on their birthdays?

Hamas spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri said that "deploying national security members on the edges (border) was in implementation of the (truce) agreement and to provide protection to the farmers in that area."

OK, this could get interesting.
 
From your link:

"Jabari is behind you'

"Omar Qdeish, a witness and relative of the man who was killed said he 'was trying to put a Hamas flag on the fence' when he was shot.

"The army fired three times into the air. Anwar shouted at them 'Jabari is behind you', then they shot him in the head,' he told Reuters."

Time for Israel to remove all manifestations of its illegal occupation (effective control) including "security fences?"
 
Hamas Islamists enforced a fragile two-day-old truce on Friday by evacuating Palestinians from a "no-go" border zone after Israel shot dead a Gaza resident there in the first fatality since the ceasefire.

The rare move by the group in control of the Gaza Strip followed intervention by Egyptian mediators who urged both sides to take steps to preserve the truce that ended eight days of fierce Israeli-Palestinian fighting on Wednesday.

Israel said its troops opened fire after protesters, some of them throwing stones, tried to breach a Gaza border fence, violating a 300-metre wide security zone where Israel has barred Palestinian access since 2009.

Hamas denounced the shooting which killed Anwar Qdeih, 23, and injured 15 other people, as a violation of the truce.

Health officials said Qdeih was shot in the head.

Palestinian Foreign Minister Riad Malki, speaking from talks with Italian leaders in Rome, said the incident was "a clear violation of the agreement and should not be repeated."

The ceasefire, though, remained intact, with no reports of rockets being fired at Israel, after Egypt contacted both sides, Palestinian sources close to the truce negotiators said.

Hamas security officials, coming closer to the Israeli border fence than ever before, escorted Palestinians away from the site, witnesses, including a Reuters photographer, said.

A Palestinian security source confirmed the move to Reuters, saying "yes, there are instructions to implement the agreement and at the same time protect the people. The instruction is not to allow people to approach the border fence."

Hamas spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri said that "deploying national security members on the edges (border) was in implementation of the (truce) agreement and to provide protection to the farmers in that area."

Hamas polices border after IDF kills man - Israel News, Ynetnews

So does that qualify as security cooperation with the IDF? Will Israel have to start paying Hamas security forces or sending them cards on their birthdays?

No....Hamas cooperation with Morsi
 
Hamas Islamists enforced a fragile two-day-old truce on Friday by evacuating Palestinians from a "no-go" border zone after Israel shot dead a Gaza resident there in the first fatality since the ceasefire.

The rare move by the group in control of the Gaza Strip followed intervention by Egyptian mediators who urged both sides to take steps to preserve the truce that ended eight days of fierce Israeli-Palestinian fighting on Wednesday.

Israel said its troops opened fire after protesters, some of them throwing stones, tried to breach a Gaza border fence, violating a 300-metre wide security zone where Israel has barred Palestinian access since 2009.

Hamas denounced the shooting which killed Anwar Qdeih, 23, and injured 15 other people, as a violation of the truce.

Health officials said Qdeih was shot in the head.

Palestinian Foreign Minister Riad Malki, speaking from talks with Italian leaders in Rome, said the incident was "a clear violation of the agreement and should not be repeated."

The ceasefire, though, remained intact, with no reports of rockets being fired at Israel, after Egypt contacted both sides, Palestinian sources close to the truce negotiators said.

Hamas security officials, coming closer to the Israeli border fence than ever before, escorted Palestinians away from the site, witnesses, including a Reuters photographer, said.

A Palestinian security source confirmed the move to Reuters, saying "yes, there are instructions to implement the agreement and at the same time protect the people. The instruction is not to allow people to approach the border fence."

Hamas spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri said that "deploying national security members on the edges (border) was in implementation of the (truce) agreement and to provide protection to the farmers in that area."

Hamas polices border after IDF kills man - Israel News, Ynetnews

So does that qualify as security cooperation with the IDF? Will Israel have to start paying Hamas security forces or sending them cards on their birthdays?

No....Hamas cooperation with Morsi

Ok, no birthday cards.
 
From your link:

"Jabari is behind you'

"Omar Qdeish, a witness and relative of the man who was killed said he 'was trying to put a Hamas flag on the fence' when he was shot.

"The army fired three times into the air. Anwar shouted at them 'Jabari is behind you', then they shot him in the head,' he told Reuters."

Time for Israel to remove all manifestations of its illegal occupation (effective control) including "security fences?"

What illegal occupation? Hamas is the occupying power in Gaza now.
 
From your link:

"Jabari is behind you'

"Omar Qdeish, a witness and relative of the man who was killed said he 'was trying to put a Hamas flag on the fence' when he was shot.

"The army fired three times into the air. Anwar shouted at them 'Jabari is behind you', then they shot him in the head,' he told Reuters."

Time for Israel to remove all manifestations of its illegal occupation (effective control) including "security fences?"

What illegal occupation? Hamas is the occupying power in Gaza now.
Who controls Gaza's airspace, coastal waters, electricity, and sewage infrastructure?
 
From your link:

"Jabari is behind you'

"Omar Qdeish, a witness and relative of the man who was killed said he 'was trying to put a Hamas flag on the fence' when he was shot.

"The army fired three times into the air. Anwar shouted at them 'Jabari is behind you', then they shot him in the head,' he told Reuters."

Time for Israel to remove all manifestations of its illegal occupation (effective control) including "security fences?"

What illegal occupation? Hamas is the occupying power in Gaza now.
Who controls Gaza's airspace, coastal waters, electricity, and sewage infrastructure?

If Israel handed over control of there waters and airspace, how many weapons will Hamas smuggle to kill Israelis in gthe span of lets say a year?
 
From your link:

"Jabari is behind you'

"Omar Qdeish, a witness and relative of the man who was killed said he 'was trying to put a Hamas flag on the fence' when he was shot.

"The army fired three times into the air. Anwar shouted at them 'Jabari is behind you', then they shot him in the head,' he told Reuters."

Time for Israel to remove all manifestations of its illegal occupation (effective control) including "security fences?"

What illegal occupation? Hamas is the occupying power in Gaza now.

Israel is still inside Gaza. Perhaps if they leave they can claim that the occupation is over.
 
What illegal occupation? Hamas is the occupying power in Gaza now.
Who controls Gaza's airspace, coastal waters, electricity, and sewage infrastructure?

If Israel handed over control of there waters and airspace, how many weapons will Hamas smuggle to kill Israelis in gthe span of lets say a year?
I think that would depend on what concessions Israel and the US are willing to make regarding the ultimate demographics of Greater Israel. If Jews continue to cling to the belief that they are "chosen" to rule over an Arab population that's larger than the Jewish population by about a million people, then the level of violence between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River will rise.

As long as Israel continues receiving arms from the US, I think it's a little hypocritical to condemn Hamas for resisting an illegal occupation.
 
From your link:

"Jabari is behind you'

"Omar Qdeish, a witness and relative of the man who was killed said he 'was trying to put a Hamas flag on the fence' when he was shot.

"The army fired three times into the air. Anwar shouted at them 'Jabari is behind you', then they shot him in the head,' he told Reuters."

Time for Israel to remove all manifestations of its illegal occupation (effective control) including "security fences?"

What illegal occupation? Hamas is the occupying power in Gaza now.
Who controls Gaza's airspace, coastal waters, electricity, and sewage infrastructure?

Hamas does. Because of Hamas' belligerent status toward Israel, Israel is forced to take security precautions regarding the coastline and airspace, but Hamas is free to get their electricity and water anywhere they please and to do whatever they like with their sewage.

There never was an occupation. After the UN dissolved he Mandate and Israel's War of Independence was over, the West Bank and Gaza were simply unincorporated remnants of the former Mandate. There was never any reason to think Arabs had a greater right to live in the West Bank and Gaza than Jews did. The problems all stem from Arab intolerance of Jews dating all the way back to the 1920's.

After 1950, the international community recognized Israel as legally in possession of the land it captured in that war, but refused to recognize the land Jordan and Egypt had captured as legally their's. So these fragments of land had no legal designation, and this condition persisted until the Six Day War, when Israel, much to its own surprise, came into possession of this land.

Israel never formally occupied the land, with the exception of Jerusalem, it merely assumed custodial responsibility for it and the people living there until a better solution could be worked out, and quite reasonably, recognized that Arabs had no greater right to live in the West Bank and Gaza than Jews did. While the Arabs were quiescent when Arab nations held the territories, they became livid when the Jewish state was there. The international community was reluctant to call Arab intolerance what it is, a particularly vile and violent attitude and form of behavior, and to avoid that sought to give it some justification with preposterous talk about an occupation. What occupation? The Palestinian Arabs have their own government, collect their own taxes, run their own schools, control their own media, police their own people and even have their own foreign policy. What occupation? The only thing they can't do is prevent Jews from living among them, and they are very angry about that.
 
What illegal occupation? Hamas is the occupying power in Gaza now.
Who controls Gaza's airspace, coastal waters, electricity, and sewage infrastructure?

Hamas does. Because of Hamas' belligerent status toward Israel, Israel is forced to take security precautions regarding the coastline and airspace, but Hamas is free to get their electricity and water anywhere they please and to do whatever they like with their sewage.

There never was an occupation. After the UN dissolved he Mandate and Israel's War of Independence was over, the West Bank and Gaza were simply unincorporated remnants of the former Mandate. There was never any reason to think Arabs had a greater right to live in the West Bank and Gaza than Jews did. The problems all stem from Arab intolerance of Jews dating all the way back to the 1920's.

After 1950, the international community recognized Israel as legally in possession of the land it captured in that war, but refused to recognize the land Jordan and Egypt had captured as legally their's. So these fragments of land had no legal designation, and this condition persisted until the Six Day War, when Israel, much to its own surprise, came into possession of this land.

Israel never formally occupied the land, with the exception of Jerusalem, it merely assumed custodial responsibility for it and the people living there until a better solution could be worked out, and quite reasonably, recognized that Arabs had no greater right to live in the West Bank and Gaza than Jews did. While the Arabs were quiescent when Arab nations held the territories, they became livid when the Jewish state was there. The international community was reluctant to call Arab intolerance what it is, a particularly vile and violent attitude and form of behavior, and to avoid that sought to give it some justification with preposterous talk about an occupation. What occupation? The Palestinian Arabs have their own government, collect their own taxes, run their own schools, control their own media, police their own people and even have their own foreign policy. What occupation? The only thing they can't do is prevent Jews from living among them, and they are very angry about that.

What a pantload.

Palestine existed after the end of the mandate. They were separate entities.
 
The pali animals killed the pali animal at the fence by shooting him in the head and tired to blame Israel. Typical of the pali animals.
 
What illegal occupation? Hamas is the occupying power in Gaza now.
Who controls Gaza's airspace, coastal waters, electricity, and sewage infrastructure?

Hamas does. Because of Hamas' belligerent status toward Israel, Israel is forced to take security precautions regarding the coastline and airspace, but Hamas is free to get their electricity and water anywhere they please and to do whatever they like with their sewage.

There never was an occupation. After the UN dissolved he Mandate and Israel's War of Independence was over, the West Bank and Gaza were simply unincorporated remnants of the former Mandate. There was never any reason to think Arabs had a greater right to live in the West Bank and Gaza than Jews did. The problems all stem from Arab intolerance of Jews dating all the way back to the 1920's.

After 1950, the international community recognized Israel as legally in possession of the land it captured in that war, but refused to recognize the land Jordan and Egypt had captured as legally their's. So these fragments of land had no legal designation, and this condition persisted until the Six Day War, when Israel, much to its own surprise, came into possession of this land.

Israel never formally occupied the land, with the exception of Jerusalem, it merely assumed custodial responsibility for it and the people living there until a better solution could be worked out, and quite reasonably, recognized that Arabs had no greater right to live in the West Bank and Gaza than Jews did. While the Arabs were quiescent when Arab nations held the territories, they became livid when the Jewish state was there. The international community was reluctant to call Arab intolerance what it is, a particularly vile and violent attitude and form of behavior, and to avoid that sought to give it some justification with preposterous talk about an occupation. What occupation? The Palestinian Arabs have their own government, collect their own taxes, run their own schools, control their own media, police their own people and even have their own foreign policy. What occupation? The only thing they can't do is prevent Jews from living among them, and they are very angry about that.
"In the 1947 United Nations Partition Plan, Gaza was assigned to be part of an Arab state in western Palestine but was occupied by Egypt following the 1948 Arab-Israeli War.

"Gaza's growing population was augmented by an influx of refugees fleeing nearby cities, towns and villages that were captured by Israel..."

"Gaza was occupied by Israel during the 1967 Six-Day War following the defeat of the Egyptian Army. Frequent conflicts have erupted between Palestinians and the Israeli authorities in the city since the 1970s. The tensions led to the First Intifada in 1987. Gaza was a center of confrontation during this uprising,[40] and economic conditions in the city worsened."

Gaza - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That "Arab intolerance of Jews dating back all the way to the 1920s" came from the realization that some Jews wanted all the land between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River for themselves. In 1948 one-third of the population of Mandate Palestine inflicted a Jewish state by force of arms upon the majority of all Palestinians.

In 1967 the Jews expanded their colonies by a factor of three with another one million Arabs subject to Israeli occupation, and three years later, Moshe Dayan explained the intricacies of the occupation by telling Palestinian refugees in the territories we have no solution, you will continue to live like dogs, and whoever wishes may leave, and we will see where that process leads.

The occupation you allege to be confused about is perfectly clear to the UNSC, The International Committee of the Red Cross, the International Court of Justice, Amnesty International, and the US State Department.

Maybe some of the "Jews" living in the occupied territories should go back to Russia?
 
Who controls Gaza's airspace, coastal waters, electricity, and sewage infrastructure?

Hamas does. Because of Hamas' belligerent status toward Israel, Israel is forced to take security precautions regarding the coastline and airspace, but Hamas is free to get their electricity and water anywhere they please and to do whatever they like with their sewage.

There never was an occupation. After the UN dissolved he Mandate and Israel's War of Independence was over, the West Bank and Gaza were simply unincorporated remnants of the former Mandate. There was never any reason to think Arabs had a greater right to live in the West Bank and Gaza than Jews did. The problems all stem from Arab intolerance of Jews dating all the way back to the 1920's.

After 1950, the international community recognized Israel as legally in possession of the land it captured in that war, but refused to recognize the land Jordan and Egypt had captured as legally their's. So these fragments of land had no legal designation, and this condition persisted until the Six Day War, when Israel, much to its own surprise, came into possession of this land.

Israel never formally occupied the land, with the exception of Jerusalem, it merely assumed custodial responsibility for it and the people living there until a better solution could be worked out, and quite reasonably, recognized that Arabs had no greater right to live in the West Bank and Gaza than Jews did. While the Arabs were quiescent when Arab nations held the territories, they became livid when the Jewish state was there. The international community was reluctant to call Arab intolerance what it is, a particularly vile and violent attitude and form of behavior, and to avoid that sought to give it some justification with preposterous talk about an occupation. What occupation? The Palestinian Arabs have their own government, collect their own taxes, run their own schools, control their own media, police their own people and even have their own foreign policy. What occupation? The only thing they can't do is prevent Jews from living among them, and they are very angry about that.
"In the 1947 United Nations Partition Plan, Gaza was assigned to be part of an Arab state in western Palestine but was occupied by Egypt following the 1948 Arab-Israeli War.

"Gaza's growing population was augmented by an influx of refugees fleeing nearby cities, towns and villages that were captured by Israel..."

"Gaza was occupied by Israel during the 1967 Six-Day War following the defeat of the Egyptian Army. Frequent conflicts have erupted between Palestinians and the Israeli authorities in the city since the 1970s. The tensions led to the First Intifada in 1987. Gaza was a center of confrontation during this uprising,[40] and economic conditions in the city worsened."

Gaza - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That "Arab intolerance of Jews dating back all the way to the 1920s" came from the realization that some Jews wanted all the land between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River for themselves. In 1948 one-third of the population of Mandate Palestine inflicted a Jewish state by force of arms upon the majority of all Palestinians.

In 1967 the Jews expanded their colonies by a factor of three with another one million Arabs subject to Israeli occupation, and three years later, Moshe Dayan explained the intricacies of the occupation by telling Palestinian refugees in the territories we have no solution, you will continue to live like dogs, and whoever wishes may leave, and we will see where that process leads.

The occupation you allege to be confused about is perfectly clear to the UNSC, The International Committee of the Red Cross, the International Court of Justice, Amnesty International, and the US State Department.

Maybe some of the "Jews" living in the occupied territories should go back to Russia?

So it seems ok to you that the Arabs were intolerant of all Jews because they believed some Jews wanted all the land? They were intolerant of all Jews because of what some Jews thought?

It is silly and it isn't even true. Arab anti semitism dates back to the founding of Islam and was codified in the legal systems of all the countries in the greater ME, and Arab pogroms, massacres of Jews, began (first recorded) in the 11th century, right in the middle of the Golden Age of Islam, lauded for its culture of tolerance, and continued right down into the mid 20th century.

The intolerance and violence that greeted the Jews who moved to Palestine in the late 19th and early 20th century was not based on what some Arabs may have believed some Jews were thinking but was just a continuation of hostile attitudes and violent behaviors toward Jews that had characterized Arab cultures for centuries. The massacres of Jews in the 1920's wasn't about nationalism, they were incited by false rumors that the Jews were attacking al Aksa, and the second intifada was also precipitated by the false rumor that Jews were attacking al Aksa. A thousand years ago Arabs massacred Jews because they were considered enemies of Islam and in 2000 Arabs massacred Jews because they were called enemies of Islam. This intolerant and violent behavior toward Jews in a core value in Arab cultures and it is from this that all the problems of the region spring and it is this that makes negotiated settlements impossible.
 
Hamas does. Because of Hamas' belligerent status toward Israel, Israel is forced to take security precautions regarding the coastline and airspace, but Hamas is free to get their electricity and water anywhere they please and to do whatever they like with their sewage.

There never was an occupation. After the UN dissolved he Mandate and Israel's War of Independence was over, the West Bank and Gaza were simply unincorporated remnants of the former Mandate. There was never any reason to think Arabs had a greater right to live in the West Bank and Gaza than Jews did. The problems all stem from Arab intolerance of Jews dating all the way back to the 1920's.

After 1950, the international community recognized Israel as legally in possession of the land it captured in that war, but refused to recognize the land Jordan and Egypt had captured as legally their's. So these fragments of land had no legal designation, and this condition persisted until the Six Day War, when Israel, much to its own surprise, came into possession of this land.

Israel never formally occupied the land, with the exception of Jerusalem, it merely assumed custodial responsibility for it and the people living there until a better solution could be worked out, and quite reasonably, recognized that Arabs had no greater right to live in the West Bank and Gaza than Jews did. While the Arabs were quiescent when Arab nations held the territories, they became livid when the Jewish state was there. The international community was reluctant to call Arab intolerance what it is, a particularly vile and violent attitude and form of behavior, and to avoid that sought to give it some justification with preposterous talk about an occupation. What occupation? The Palestinian Arabs have their own government, collect their own taxes, run their own schools, control their own media, police their own people and even have their own foreign policy. What occupation? The only thing they can't do is prevent Jews from living among them, and they are very angry about that.
"In the 1947 United Nations Partition Plan, Gaza was assigned to be part of an Arab state in western Palestine but was occupied by Egypt following the 1948 Arab-Israeli War.

"Gaza's growing population was augmented by an influx of refugees fleeing nearby cities, towns and villages that were captured by Israel..."

"Gaza was occupied by Israel during the 1967 Six-Day War following the defeat of the Egyptian Army. Frequent conflicts have erupted between Palestinians and the Israeli authorities in the city since the 1970s. The tensions led to the First Intifada in 1987. Gaza was a center of confrontation during this uprising,[40] and economic conditions in the city worsened."

Gaza - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That "Arab intolerance of Jews dating back all the way to the 1920s" came from the realization that some Jews wanted all the land between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River for themselves. In 1948 one-third of the population of Mandate Palestine inflicted a Jewish state by force of arms upon the majority of all Palestinians.

In 1967 the Jews expanded their colonies by a factor of three with another one million Arabs subject to Israeli occupation, and three years later, Moshe Dayan explained the intricacies of the occupation by telling Palestinian refugees in the territories we have no solution, you will continue to live like dogs, and whoever wishes may leave, and we will see where that process leads.

The occupation you allege to be confused about is perfectly clear to the UNSC, The International Committee of the Red Cross, the International Court of Justice, Amnesty International, and the US State Department.

Maybe some of the "Jews" living in the occupied territories should go back to Russia?

So it seems ok to you that the Arabs were intolerant of all Jews because they believed some Jews wanted all the land? They were intolerant of all Jews because of what some Jews thought?

It is silly and it isn't even true. Arab anti semitism dates back to the founding of Islam and was codified in the legal systems of all the countries in the greater ME, and Arab pogroms, massacres of Jews, began (first recorded) in the 11th century, right in the middle of the Golden Age of Islam, lauded for its culture of tolerance, and continued right down into the mid 20th century.

The intolerance and violence that greeted the Jews who moved to Palestine in the late 19th and early 20th century was not based on what some Arabs may have believed some Jews were thinking but was just a continuation of hostile attitudes and violent behaviors toward Jews that had characterized Arab cultures for centuries. The massacres of Jews in the 1920's wasn't about nationalism, they were incited by false rumors that the Jews were attacking al Aksa, and the second intifada was also precipitated by the false rumor that Jews were attacking al Aksa. A thousand years ago Arabs massacred Jews because they were considered enemies of Islam and in 2000 Arabs massacred Jews because they were called enemies of Islam. This intolerant and violent behavior toward Jews in a core value in Arab cultures and it is from this that all the problems of the region spring and it is this that makes negotiated settlements impossible.

It is not just what some Jews thought. It was becoming known that the Zionists planned to take over Palestine. This was confirmed when Britain landed with the Balfour declaration in its pocket.

All of the Palestinians actions were to defend their country from this planned takeover.
 
"In the 1947 United Nations Partition Plan, Gaza was assigned to be part of an Arab state in western Palestine but was occupied by Egypt following the 1948 Arab-Israeli War.

"Gaza's growing population was augmented by an influx of refugees fleeing nearby cities, towns and villages that were captured by Israel..."

"Gaza was occupied by Israel during the 1967 Six-Day War following the defeat of the Egyptian Army. Frequent conflicts have erupted between Palestinians and the Israeli authorities in the city since the 1970s. The tensions led to the First Intifada in 1987. Gaza was a center of confrontation during this uprising,[40] and economic conditions in the city worsened."

Gaza - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That "Arab intolerance of Jews dating back all the way to the 1920s" came from the realization that some Jews wanted all the land between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River for themselves. In 1948 one-third of the population of Mandate Palestine inflicted a Jewish state by force of arms upon the majority of all Palestinians.

In 1967 the Jews expanded their colonies by a factor of three with another one million Arabs subject to Israeli occupation, and three years later, Moshe Dayan explained the intricacies of the occupation by telling Palestinian refugees in the territories we have no solution, you will continue to live like dogs, and whoever wishes may leave, and we will see where that process leads.

The occupation you allege to be confused about is perfectly clear to the UNSC, The International Committee of the Red Cross, the International Court of Justice, Amnesty International, and the US State Department.

Maybe some of the "Jews" living in the occupied territories should go back to Russia?

So it seems ok to you that the Arabs were intolerant of all Jews because they believed some Jews wanted all the land? They were intolerant of all Jews because of what some Jews thought?

It is silly and it isn't even true. Arab anti semitism dates back to the founding of Islam and was codified in the legal systems of all the countries in the greater ME, and Arab pogroms, massacres of Jews, began (first recorded) in the 11th century, right in the middle of the Golden Age of Islam, lauded for its culture of tolerance, and continued right down into the mid 20th century.

The intolerance and violence that greeted the Jews who moved to Palestine in the late 19th and early 20th century was not based on what some Arabs may have believed some Jews were thinking but was just a continuation of hostile attitudes and violent behaviors toward Jews that had characterized Arab cultures for centuries. The massacres of Jews in the 1920's wasn't about nationalism, they were incited by false rumors that the Jews were attacking al Aksa, and the second intifada was also precipitated by the false rumor that Jews were attacking al Aksa. A thousand years ago Arabs massacred Jews because they were considered enemies of Islam and in 2000 Arabs massacred Jews because they were called enemies of Islam. This intolerant and violent behavior toward Jews in a core value in Arab cultures and it is from this that all the problems of the region spring and it is this that makes negotiated settlements impossible.

It is not just what some Jews thought. It was becoming known that the Zionists planned to take over Palestine. This was confirmed when Britain landed with the Balfour declaration in its pocket.

All of the Palestinians actions were to defend their country from this planned takeover.

You claim there is no border. So Israel, by your logic, is free to occupy settle and control any land that is NOT part of a Sovereign Nation State. Because you see, Israel IS a Sovereign Nation State.
 
So it seems ok to you that the Arabs were intolerant of all Jews because they believed some Jews wanted all the land? They were intolerant of all Jews because of what some Jews thought?

It is silly and it isn't even true. Arab anti semitism dates back to the founding of Islam and was codified in the legal systems of all the countries in the greater ME, and Arab pogroms, massacres of Jews, began (first recorded) in the 11th century, right in the middle of the Golden Age of Islam, lauded for its culture of tolerance, and continued right down into the mid 20th century.

The intolerance and violence that greeted the Jews who moved to Palestine in the late 19th and early 20th century was not based on what some Arabs may have believed some Jews were thinking but was just a continuation of hostile attitudes and violent behaviors toward Jews that had characterized Arab cultures for centuries. The massacres of Jews in the 1920's wasn't about nationalism, they were incited by false rumors that the Jews were attacking al Aksa, and the second intifada was also precipitated by the false rumor that Jews were attacking al Aksa. A thousand years ago Arabs massacred Jews because they were considered enemies of Islam and in 2000 Arabs massacred Jews because they were called enemies of Islam. This intolerant and violent behavior toward Jews in a core value in Arab cultures and it is from this that all the problems of the region spring and it is this that makes negotiated settlements impossible.

It is not just what some Jews thought. It was becoming known that the Zionists planned to take over Palestine. This was confirmed when Britain landed with the Balfour declaration in its pocket.

All of the Palestinians actions were to defend their country from this planned takeover.

You claim there is no border. So Israel, by your logic, is free to occupy settle and control any land that is NOT part of a Sovereign Nation State. Because you see, Israel IS a Sovereign Nation State.

Not so.

Everything inside Israel's borders is theirs. Everything that is not is not.

The political existence of the state is independent of recognition by the other states. Even before recognition the state has the right to defend its integrity and independence,...

The Avalon Project : Convention on Rights and Duties of States (inter-American); December 26, 1933

Palestine is a state according to the Palestinians. They don't need Israel's recognition or approval.
 
From your link:

"Jabari is behind you'

"Omar Qdeish, a witness and relative of the man who was killed said he 'was trying to put a Hamas flag on the fence' when he was shot.

"The army fired three times into the air. Anwar shouted at them 'Jabari is behind you', then they shot him in the head,' he told Reuters."

Time for Israel to remove all manifestations of its illegal occupation (effective control) including "security fences?"


A far better response to rock throwing across the border and adventurous attempts
to breach the border would be High Speed rocking throwing. The IDF could train rock throwers in accuracy and high speed----using specifically designed
rocks that will render the criminal attempting to violate the cease fire----permanently
"not a future threat"
 

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