Hamas off terrorist organisations list...

[aris2chat]

NOW GIVE ME THE DEATH RATIOS >>>>>>Vig

There is NO EQUIVALENCY in WAR, you dumbass...that's the whole point!

If someone tries to attack you with a knife, do you use a knife to defend yourself or use a gun? You don't want and even fight, you want the advantage. War is the same. If one pilot is in a biplane dropping TNT to target on the ground and you are in an F14, would you go home and get a cesna and TNT to fight him? Military technology it intended to get an advantage, not to be on a level.

If you find yourself in a fair fight your tactics suck.

This war not the Marquess of Queensberry rules in a boxing match. This life and death not a sporting event for entertainment. Even then the competitors train hard and try to be smarter, faster, stronger and more prepared to have an advantage.

 

[mudwhistle]

Rewards for launching missiles into Israel I suppose.

 

[Phoenall]

What, you don't understand there is NO EQUIVALENCY in WAR? Are you always this fucking stupid?

Then why do you bleat when a few Israelis(soldiers get killed) compared to hundreds of Palestinians when Israel always have the might and upper hand

More to the point why do you always bleat when the Palestinians are killed in their thousands when engaging in war with Israel

Because it is Israel war. The Palestinians were at home minding their own business when foreigners went to Palestine to take over the country.

It had not been their country since 1099 when they ran away. The land was given to the Jews of the world by its legal owners under CUSTOMARY INTERNATIONAL LAW so how could they take over what was already theirs by law

History of Jerusalem during the Middle Ages - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia


The history of Jerusalem during the Middle Ages is generally one of decline; beginning as a major city in the Byzantine Empire, Jerusalem prospered during the early centuries of Muslim control (640–969), but under the rule of the Fatimid caliphate (late 10th to 11th centuries) its population declined from about 200,000 to less than half that number by the time of the Christian conquest in 1099. The Christians massacred much of the population as they took the city, and while population quickly recovered during the Kingdom of Jerusalem, it was again decimated to below 2,000 people when the Khwarezmi Turks retook the city in 1244. After this, the city remained a backwater of the late medieval Muslim empires and would not again exceed a population of 10,000 until the 16th century.[1] It was passed back and forth through various Muslim factions until decidedly conquered by the Ottomans in 1517, who maintained control until the British took it in 1917.



Mandate For Palestine - The Legal Aspects of Jewish Rights


Ever ask yourself why during the 30 year period - between 1917 to 1947 - thousands of Jews throughout the world woke up one morning and decided to leave their homes and go to Palestine? The majority did this because they heard that a future national home for the Jewish people was being established in Palestine, on the basis of the League of Nations obligation under the “Mandate for Palestine” document. The “Mandate for Palestine,” an historical League of Nations document, laid down the Jewish legal right to settle anywhere in western Palestine, between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea, an entitlement unaltered in international law. The “Mandate for Palestine” was not a naive vision briefly embraced by the international community. Fifty-one member countries – the entire League of Nations – unanimously declared on July 24, 1922:
“Whereas recognition has been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country.”
It is important to point out that political rights to self-determination as a polity for Arabs were guaranteed by the same League of Nations in four other mandates – in Lebanon and Syria (The French Mandate), Iraq, and later Trans-Jordan [The British Mandate].
Any attempt to negate the Jewish people’s right to Palestine - Eretz-Israel, and to deny them access and control in the area designated for the Jewish people by the League of Nations is a serious infringement of international law.

The Avalon Project The Palestine Mandate


The Council of the League of Nations:
Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have agreed, for the purpose of giving effect to the provisions of Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations, to entrust to a Mandatory selected by the said Powers the administration of the territory of Palestine, which formerly belonged to the Turkish Empire, within such boundaries as may be fixed by them; and
Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country; and
Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country; and
Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have selected His Britannic Majesty as the Mandatory for Palestine; and
Whereas the mandate in respect of Palestine has been formulated in the following terms and submitted to the Council of the League for approval; and
Whereas His Britannic Majesty has accepted the mandate in respect of Palestine and undertaken to exercise it on behalf of the League of Nations in conformity with the following provisions; and
Whereas by the afore-mentioned Article 22 (paragraph 8), it is provided that the degree of authority, control or administration to be exercised by the Mandatory, not having been previously agreed upon by the Members of the League, shall be explicitly defined by the Council of the League Of Nations;


ART. 4.
An appropriate Jewish agency shall be recognised as a public body for the purpose of advising and co-operating with the Administration of Palestine in such economic, social and other matters as may affect the establishment of the Jewish national home and the interests of the Jewish population in Palestine, and, subject always to the control of the Administration to assist and take part in the development of the country.
The Zionist organization, so long as its organization and constitution are in the opinion of the Mandatory appropriate, shall be recognised as such agency. It shall take steps in consultation with His Britannic Majesty's Government to secure the co-operation of all Jews who are willing to assist in the establishment of the Jewish national home.


ART. 6.
The Administration of Palestine, while ensuring that the rights and position of other sections of the population are not prejudiced, shall facilitate Jewish immigration under suitable conditions and shall encourage, in co-operation with the Jewish agency referred to in Article 4, close settlement by Jews on the land, including State lands and waste lands not required for public purposes.


ART. 7.
The Administration of Palestine shall be responsible for enacting a nationality law. There shall be included in this law provisions framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine.

 

[Phoenall]

What, you don't understand there is NO EQUIVALENCY in WAR? Are you always this fucking stupid?

Then why do you bleat when a few Israelis(soldiers get killed) compared to hundreds of Palestinians when Israel always have the might and upper hand

More to the point why do you always bleat when the Palestinians are killed in their thousands when engaging in war with Israel

Because it is Israel war. The Palestinians were at home minding their own business when foreigners went to Palestine to take over the country.

It had not been their country since 1099 when they ran away. The land was given to the Jews of the world by its legal owners under CUSTOMARY INTERNATIONAL LAW so how could they take over what was already theirs by law

Drivel. The land was not given to the Jews of the world, no matter how many times you capitalise "Customary International Law".

The Avalon Project The Palestine Mandate



The Palestine Mandate
The Council of the League of Nations:
Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have agreed, for the purpose of giving effect to the provisions of Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations, to entrust to a Mandatory selected by the said Powers the administration of the territory of Palestine, which formerly belonged to the Turkish Empire, within such boundaries as may be fixed by them; and
Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country; and
Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country; and

 

[Phoenall]

....Proof was asked for and proof was given, so because you cant handle the truth you resort to immature ramblings.

Do explain how Tower Hamlets is run along sharia lines by the local council, they just so happen to be muslims and operate an apartheid regime keeping as many non muslims out of the area as possible.

Oooo, someone's got his knickers in a twist. No need to get prissy about it, Phoney. I accepted your "proof" and moved on. Evey bit of information helps broaden the overall picture. I can't explain how, "Tower Hamlets is run along sharia lines by the local council, they just so happen to be muslims and operate an apartheid regime keeping as many non muslims out of the area as possible." To do that I'd have to read right-wing fascist material found in England First, BNP, UKIP or Sharia Watch, why waste my time and energy, when I'm sure you can provide all the talking points necessary.

Hardly as you will find editorials in the BBC news, Telegraph, Times, Guardian and most other main stream media outlets

Sharia a law unto itself - Telegraph


Last month, Islamic extremists put up posters in the London boroughs of Waltham Forest, Tower Hamlets and Newham, warning residents that they were entering a “Sharia-controlled zone” where Islamic rules were enforced and gambling, alcohol and music was banned. The posters were later removed by police.

London Police establish England 8217 s first 8216 Sharia zone 8217 in which EDL 8217 s Tommy Robinson is not allowed entry.

The bail condition (see below) is set with the clarification “Not to enter the London Borough of Tower Hamlets”. We have been told this is an area with a lot of Muslim immigrants. It is also the same area where Muslims tried to establish a Sharia zone a few weeks back, forbidding non-Muslims to enter. The Metropolitan police has now officially established this zone all by themselves. Anjem Choudary, one of England’s many hate-preachers and supported by government payouts, must be proud.

 

[Phoenall]

Then why do you bleat when a few Israelis(soldiers get killed) compared to hundreds of Palestinians when Israel always have the might and upper hand

More to the point why do you always bleat when the Palestinians are killed in their thousands when engaging in war with Israel

Because it is Israel war. The Palestinians were at home minding their own business when foreigners went to Palestine to take over the country.

It had not been their country since 1099 when they ran away. The land was given to the Jews of the world by its legal owners under CUSTOMARY INTERNATIONAL LAW so how could they take over what was already theirs by law

Drivel. The land was not given to the Jews of the world, no matter how many times you capitalise "Customary International Law".

"Customary International Law" has as much legal standing as the land being given to the Jews by god!

Who, by the way Phoney, was, I think you will find, the original 'donator' of the land to the Jews. Was god the "legal owner"?

So you are saying that International law does not apply, so Israel can legally wipe out all the Palestinians ? No ICC or ICJ to worry about as they are powerless as that have to legal standing.


Or do you just think that it does not apply to the Jews................

 

[Challenger]

....Proof was asked for and proof was given, so because you cant handle the truth you resort to immature ramblings.

Do explain how Tower Hamlets is run along sharia lines by the local council, they just so happen to be muslims and operate an apartheid regime keeping as many non muslims out of the area as possible.

Oooo, someone's got his knickers in a twist. No need to get prissy about it, Phoney. I accepted your "proof" and moved on. Evey bit of information helps broaden the overall picture. I can't explain how, "Tower Hamlets is run along sharia lines by the local council, they just so happen to be muslims and operate an apartheid regime keeping as many non muslims out of the area as possible." To do that I'd have to read right-wing fascist material found in England First, BNP, UKIP or Sharia Watch, why waste my time and energy, when I'm sure you can provide all the talking points necessary.

Hardly as you will find editorials in the BBC news, Telegraph, Times, Guardian and most other main stream media outlets

Sharia a law unto itself - Telegraph


Last month, Islamic extremists put up posters in the London boroughs of Waltham Forest, Tower Hamlets and Newham, warning residents that they were entering a “Sharia-controlled zone” where Islamic rules were enforced and gambling, alcohol and music was banned. The posters were later removed by police.

London Police establish England 8217 s first 8216 Sharia zone 8217 in which EDL 8217 s Tommy Robinson is not allowed entry.

The bail condition (see below) is set with the clarification “Not to enter the London Borough of Tower Hamlets”. We have been told this is an area with a lot of Muslim immigrants. It is also the same area where Muslims tried to establish a Sharia zone a few weeks back, forbidding non-Muslims to enter. The Metropolitan police has now officially established this zone all by themselves. Anjem Choudary, one of England’s many hate-preachers and supported by government payouts, must be proud.

My comment, "To do that I'd have to read right-wing fascist material found in England First, BNP, UKIP or Sharia Watch, why waste my time and energy, when I'm sure you can provide all the talking points necessary." Phoney responds with a Daily Telegraph (right wing newspaper) article and even better, a far-right/fascist Islamophobic blog!! Perfect Phoney crashes and burns....

 

[Challenger]

...Says so in the Torah...

The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster disagrees with the Torah, but both are equally valid religious sources, not legally binding however.

 

[aris2chat]

...Says so in the Torah...

The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster disagrees with the Torah, but both are equally valid religious sources, not legally binding however.

FSM? Wow, some authority.
You've had too much nog.

 

[RoccoR]

et al,

Let's not speak too harshly about the Pastafarians.

...Says so in the Torah...

The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster disagrees with the Torah, but both are equally valid religious sources, not legally binding however.

FSM? Wow, some authority.
You've had too much nog.

(OBSERVATION)

Crush the ravioli infidels! Sprinkle upon their bodies the grated parmesean cheese of our glorious victory!

@DavePBrown Pastafarian Revoutionary
​

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Challenger]

Then why do you bleat when a few Israelis(soldiers get killed) compared to hundreds of Palestinians when Israel always have the might and upper hand

More to the point why do you always bleat when the Palestinians are killed in their thousands when engaging in war with Israel

Because it is Israel war. The Palestinians were at home minding their own business when foreigners went to Palestine to take over the country.

It had not been their country since 1099 when they ran away. The land was given to the Jews of the world by its legal owners under CUSTOMARY INTERNATIONAL LAW so how could they take over what was already theirs by law

Drivel. The land was not given to the Jews of the world, no matter how many times you capitalise "Customary International Law".

The Avalon Project The Palestine Mandate



The Palestine Mandate
The Council of the League of Nations:
Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have agreed, for the purpose of giving effect to the provisions of Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations, to entrust to a Mandatory selected by the said Powers the administration of the territory of Palestine, which formerly belonged to the Turkish Empire, within such boundaries as may be fixed by them; and
Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country; and
Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country; and

and...

Is that it? Is that all you've got?

 

[RoccoR]

Challenger, et al,

It doesn't matter.

and...

Is that it? Is that all you've got?

(COMMENT)

Whether or not your point is substantiated or not is materially irrelevant. You cannot roll back the clock.

The State of Israel is --- and has been for more than half a century.

• It is unrealistic to unmake a thriving state (Israel) and replace it with a failed state (Palestine).
• It is unrealistic to unmake a self-determinist state (Israel) and replace it with a Islamic Jihadist government (HAMAS/Islamic Jihad/).
• It is unrealistic to unmake a sectarian state and replace it with a irrational Islamic leadership.

There is no reasonable expectation that anything other than a peaceful settlement of grievances will restore regional peace. The other nations of the world need to recognize that the end-game solution is to allow the Arab Palestinian conflict to continue until such time as one side or the other sues for peace. There is no case in the Middle East where a conflict involving Muslim World Governments (radical or otherwise) was brought to a successful conclusion through Western intervention; where the end result was a successful, thriving and stable government --- a government that did not spawn jihadist, terrorist and radicalism.

The continuation of the arguments behind the 1948-49 War of Independence outcomes is merely a demonstration that the issue is unsettled and that the conflict needs to be resolved outside the Declaration on Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations which the Palestinians will not accept. The Palestinians want Jihad --- the use of force to violate the existing international boundaries of Israel as the means of solving territorial disputes and problems concerning frontiers.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Challenger]

Challenger, et al,

It doesn't matter.

and...

Is that it? Is that all you've got?

(COMMENT)

Whether or not your point is substantiated or not is materially irrelevant. You cannot roll back the clock.

The State of Israel is --- and has been for more than half a century.

• It is unrealistic to unmake a thriving state (Israel) and replace it with a failed state (Palestine).
• It is unrealistic to unmake a self-determinist state (Israel) and replace it with a Islamic Jihadist government (HAMAS/Islamic Jihad/).
• It is unrealistic to unmake a sectarian state and replace it with a irrational Islamic leadership.

There is no reasonable expectation that anything other than a peaceful settlement of grievances will restore regional peace. The other nations of the world need to recognize that the end-game solution is to allow the Arab Palestinian conflict to continue until such time as one side or the other sues for peace. There is no case in the Middle East where a conflict involving Muslim World Governments (radical or otherwise) was brought to a successful conclusion through Western intervention; where the end result was a successful, thriving and stable government --- a government that did not spawn jihadist, terrorist and radicalism.

The continuation of the arguments behind the 1948-49 War of Independence outcomes is merely a demonstration that the issue is unsettled and that the conflict needs to be resolved outside the Declaration on Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations which the Palestinians will not accept. The Palestinians want Jihad --- the use of force to violate the existing international boundaries of Israel as the means of solving territorial disputes and problems concerning frontiers.

Most Respectfully,
R

If history has shown us one thing, it's that nothing is set in stone. I never dreamt when I was a child that the USSR wouldn't go on, and on, throughout my lifetime. South Africa was giving the the rest of the world "the finger" until suddenly it all changed. Jim Crow was going strong in the USA; now you have a black President. Empires and states rise and fall and sometimes rise again. To assume otherwise is sheer complacent folly; you don't have to "roll back the clock", the future is there to be made how we want it to be, "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it's the only thing that ever has."

It is unrealistic to unmake a sectarian state and replace it with a irrational Islamic leadership.

This is either a Freudian slip or you meant secular? It any event, Zionist Israel is sectarian and is becoming theocratic.

 

[Phoenall]

....Proof was asked for and proof was given, so because you cant handle the truth you resort to immature ramblings.

Do explain how Tower Hamlets is run along sharia lines by the local council, they just so happen to be muslims and operate an apartheid regime keeping as many non muslims out of the area as possible.

Oooo, someone's got his knickers in a twist. No need to get prissy about it, Phoney. I accepted your "proof" and moved on. Evey bit of information helps broaden the overall picture. I can't explain how, "Tower Hamlets is run along sharia lines by the local council, they just so happen to be muslims and operate an apartheid regime keeping as many non muslims out of the area as possible." To do that I'd have to read right-wing fascist material found in England First, BNP, UKIP or Sharia Watch, why waste my time and energy, when I'm sure you can provide all the talking points necessary.

Hardly as you will find editorials in the BBC news, Telegraph, Times, Guardian and most other main stream media outlets

Sharia a law unto itself - Telegraph


Last month, Islamic extremists put up posters in the London boroughs of Waltham Forest, Tower Hamlets and Newham, warning residents that they were entering a “Sharia-controlled zone” where Islamic rules were enforced and gambling, alcohol and music was banned. The posters were later removed by police.

London Police establish England 8217 s first 8216 Sharia zone 8217 in which EDL 8217 s Tommy Robinson is not allowed entry.

The bail condition (see below) is set with the clarification “Not to enter the London Borough of Tower Hamlets”. We have been told this is an area with a lot of Muslim immigrants. It is also the same area where Muslims tried to establish a Sharia zone a few weeks back, forbidding non-Muslims to enter. The Metropolitan police has now officially established this zone all by themselves. Anjem Choudary, one of England’s many hate-preachers and supported by government payouts, must be proud.

My comment, "To do that I'd have to read right-wing fascist material found in England First, BNP, UKIP or Sharia Watch, why waste my time and energy, when I'm sure you can provide all the talking points necessary." Phoney responds with a Daily Telegraph (right wing newspaper) article and even better, a far-right/fascist Islamophobic blog!! Perfect Phoney crashes and burns....

Seems that you dont like the truth about how muslims are taking over and using terrorism to cow the British people. You may be alarmed to know that fully 80% of British people are against muslims and islam, and they speak the same language as the BNP and UKIP

 

[Phoenall]

More to the point why do you always bleat when the Palestinians are killed in their thousands when engaging in war with Israel

Because it is Israel war. The Palestinians were at home minding their own business when foreigners went to Palestine to take over the country.

It had not been their country since 1099 when they ran away. The land was given to the Jews of the world by its legal owners under CUSTOMARY INTERNATIONAL LAW so how could they take over what was already theirs by law

Drivel. The land was not given to the Jews of the world, no matter how many times you capitalise "Customary International Law".

The Avalon Project The Palestine Mandate



The Palestine Mandate
The Council of the League of Nations:
Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have agreed, for the purpose of giving effect to the provisions of Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations, to entrust to a Mandatory selected by the said Powers the administration of the territory of Palestine, which formerly belonged to the Turkish Empire, within such boundaries as may be fixed by them; and
Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country; and
Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country; and

and...

Is that it? Is that all you've got?

It is enough for team palestine when they cherry pick the parts of UN resolutions that suit their purpose. Now show were it says country of palestine ?

 

[RoccoR]

Challenger, et al,

Well, you are almost right.

It is unrealistic to unmake a sectarian state and replace it with a irrational Islamic leadership.

This is either a Freudian slip or you meant secular? It any event, Zionist Israel is sectarian and is becoming theocratic.

(COMMENT)

I stated it correctly. The Jewish State, a sectarian distinction made plain in the San Remo Convention, the Mandate for Palestine, and Part II - Boundaries, Section "B" - Jewish State, Resolution 181(II), can also hold (as Israel does) a secular flavor or balance that allows for the "Freedom of conscience and the free exercise of all forms of worship." It was not a mistake --- but a description of a state that can be both Jewish and tolerant of other religions. The Basic Law describes Israel as a "Jewish" and "democratic" state.

• It is unrealistic to unmake a sectarian state and replace it with a irrational Islamic leadership.

Restated:​

• It is unrealistic to unmake the State of Israel, holding the characteristic of Jewish sect [(Jewish State)(Jewish National Home)] and replace it with the irrational Islamic leadership of the State of Palestine.

Not all sectarianism is evil or wrong. In this case, the Jewish State of Israel does also allow for religious freedoms --- a nation which grants equal civil rights to all citizens regardless of religion, ethnicity, or other heritage.

The State of Israel is not a form of government in which the Jewish religious leaders are officially recognized as the Civil Ruler (a theocracy) as in some Islamic States; nor is Israeli Basic Law subordinate to religious law in the way the Sharia Law is the body of Islamic law. You are totally wrong in this regard. And the Basic Law would regarding human dignity and general liberties cannot be "varied, suspended or made subject to conditions by emergency regulations." Israel --- as Israel was founded, can never become a theocracy.


Most Respectfully,
R

 

[toastman]

Challenger, et al,

It doesn't matter.

and...

Is that it? Is that all you've got?

(COMMENT)

Whether or not your point is substantiated or not is materially irrelevant. You cannot roll back the clock.

The State of Israel is --- and has been for more than half a century.

• It is unrealistic to unmake a thriving state (Israel) and replace it with a failed state (Palestine).
• It is unrealistic to unmake a self-determinist state (Israel) and replace it with a Islamic Jihadist government (HAMAS/Islamic Jihad/).
• It is unrealistic to unmake a sectarian state and replace it with a irrational Islamic leadership.

There is no reasonable expectation that anything other than a peaceful settlement of grievances will restore regional peace. The other nations of the world need to recognize that the end-game solution is to allow the Arab Palestinian conflict to continue until such time as one side or the other sues for peace. There is no case in the Middle East where a conflict involving Muslim World Governments (radical or otherwise) was brought to a successful conclusion through Western intervention; where the end result was a successful, thriving and stable government --- a government that did not spawn jihadist, terrorist and radicalism.

The continuation of the arguments behind the 1948-49 War of Independence outcomes is merely a demonstration that the issue is unsettled and that the conflict needs to be resolved outside the Declaration on Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations which the Palestinians will not accept. The Palestinians want Jihad --- the use of force to violate the existing international boundaries of Israel as the means of solving territorial disputes and problems concerning frontiers.

Most Respectfully,
R

If history has shown us one thing, it's that nothing is set in stone. I never dreamt when I was a child that the USSR wouldn't go on, and on, throughout my lifetime. South Africa was giving the the rest of the world "the finger" until suddenly it all changed. Jim Crow was going strong in the USA; now you have a black President. Empires and states rise and fall and sometimes rise again. To assume otherwise is sheer complacent folly; you don't have to "roll back the clock", the future is there to be made how we want it to be, "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it's the only thing that ever has."

It is unrealistic to unmake a sectarian state and replace it with a irrational Islamic leadership.

This is either a Freudian slip or you meant secular? It any event, Zionist Israel is sectarian and is becoming theocratic.

Do you even know what a theocracy is ? I doubt it. Either way, Israel is not one and certainly is not becoming one. Iran and Vatican City are prime examples of a theocracy.