Hamas-Israel Deal: Who Benefits?

[Daniyel]

There is no deal and no negotiations according to Israel's officials, however Hamas assume if they might offer some deal to Israel with Egypt's assistance that might be considered in Israel..the funny fact is that IS just captured 50 Hamas members on their way to Cairo so I guess it's despair fueling Hamas now.

Would you support such a deal?

Something similar was offered to the Palestinians in the past yet again they've missed the train, I personally won't support such deal at this point for two and a half reasons.
1.Those typical time outs are nothing but an attempt to reload the new magazines Hamas spent last summer while gaining more support for the next round.(You may also conclude that I have zero faith in Hamas deals)
They claimed they won't stop until the blockade is entirely lifted, but the fact they are counting their last rockets prove the success of the blockade and it's crucial necessarity..along with the new Iranian missiles I think this is another media spin to raise the support inside Gaza that is fading anyway.
2.Second reason is by allowing the losing side to determine anything including terms of surrendering is a vital mistake, they've claimed victorious last summer and yet they are in a position to suggest a deceiving deal such as that to Israel is an insult itself not to mention a new reason for Hamas to come up with a better idea for the right to deserve negotiations in the next time they'll assault Israel.

Interesting view with a lot of sense in that.
But there has to be a solution some day. How should it look like?

Definitely without Hamas, Fatah place is questionable.
There has to be a leader to replace those more likely to rebel Hamas in Gaza first.

There are surely still some secular movements that could be worth considering.

I'm only revoking Hamas(and the PIJ) for now, Fatah is originally a religious movement.
Its not about secular or religious; it's about radicalism and moderation.

 

[Bleipriester]

Peace and no more retaliation to illegal rockets. But latest news is that hamas have started to fire illegal rockets again and Israel has responded by targeting senior hamas officials.
So you see it is a two way street and unless the Palestinians start acting like decent human beings they will be treated as scum.

So when a Hamas member launches a rocket, it is the Palestinians?
And when Israel launches a rocket, it is the Palestinians, as well?

Where did I post that then


The UN and AI have both stated that qassams are illegal weapons and a war crime on two counts.

The Israeli's took out a valid military target with minimal casualties as in accordance with IHL

IS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH FOR YOU herr obergefrieter

It is clear that for you, only Palestinians are guilty.
And you are screaming about Palestinian rockets, while Israel uses weapons that are illegal and murderous.

...with minimal casualties as in accordance with IHL...

"The Israeli military is reportedly using flechette shells in its offensive in Gaza, weapons described as illegal under “rules of humanitarian law” by an Israeli human rights organisation.

Generally fired by a tank and described as an “imprecise weapon” ill-suited to combat in a built-up area, flechette shells explode in the air above a target, sending out a cone of thousands of tiny steel darts each no more than 4cm (1.57 ins) long."
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...g-flechette-rounds-in-gaza-strip-9617480.html


"Israeli and international human rights organizations accused Israel of using white phosphorus munitions improperly during Israel’s three-week military offensive against Hamas and other militant groups in Gaza in the winter of 2008-9. Such munitions are not prohibited under international law, but they are not supposed to be used in civilian areas, because white phosphorus is highly flammable and, like napalm, it can burn flesh. Israel maintained that its use of shells containing phosphorus did not violate international law.

Kershner also didn’t mention that Israel initially denied its use of white phosphorus, which would be an behavior had its use of the munitions been legal. The London Times reported on January 5, 2009 that despite Israel’s denials, “the tell-tale shells could be seen spreading tentacles of thick white smoke to cover the troops’ advance.”"
Israel’s Illegal Use of White Phosphorus During ‘Operation Cast Lead’ | Foreign Policy Journal


"Testimony given to Al-Monitor by Palestinian nurses, doctors and human rights activists indicate that the Israeli army used DIMEs, which causes the loss of limbs and leads to wounds that do not respond to treatment.

DIME weapons "kill their victims through the amputation of limbs in a way that resembles an automated saw. As for those who are able to survive, they are vulnerable to cancer because [the weapons] contain carcinogenic tungsten," reads a July 21 report by Al Jazeera."
Israel accused of using illegal weapons in Gaza war - Al-Monitor: the Pulse of the Middle East

Wow. So you're suggesting that Islamic terrorists must be treated with care and consideration so we don't offend their tender islamo-sensibilities?

These weapons hit more civilians than terrorists.

 

[Hollie]

Peace and no more retaliation to illegal rockets. But latest news is that hamas have started to fire illegal rockets again and Israel has responded by targeting senior hamas officials.
So you see it is a two way street and unless the Palestinians start acting like decent human beings they will be treated as scum.

So when a Hamas member launches a rocket, it is the Palestinians?
And when Israel launches a rocket, it is the Palestinians, as well?

Where did I post that then


The UN and AI have both stated that qassams are illegal weapons and a war crime on two counts.

The Israeli's took out a valid military target with minimal casualties as in accordance with IHL

IS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH FOR YOU herr obergefrieter

It is clear that for you, only Palestinians are guilty.
And you are screaming about Palestinian rockets, while Israel uses weapons that are illegal and murderous.

...with minimal casualties as in accordance with IHL...

"The Israeli military is reportedly using flechette shells in its offensive in Gaza, weapons described as illegal under “rules of humanitarian law” by an Israeli human rights organisation.

Generally fired by a tank and described as an “imprecise weapon” ill-suited to combat in a built-up area, flechette shells explode in the air above a target, sending out a cone of thousands of tiny steel darts each no more than 4cm (1.57 ins) long."
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...g-flechette-rounds-in-gaza-strip-9617480.html


"Israeli and international human rights organizations accused Israel of using white phosphorus munitions improperly during Israel’s three-week military offensive against Hamas and other militant groups in Gaza in the winter of 2008-9. Such munitions are not prohibited under international law, but they are not supposed to be used in civilian areas, because white phosphorus is highly flammable and, like napalm, it can burn flesh. Israel maintained that its use of shells containing phosphorus did not violate international law.

Kershner also didn’t mention that Israel initially denied its use of white phosphorus, which would be an behavior had its use of the munitions been legal. The London Times reported on January 5, 2009 that despite Israel’s denials, “the tell-tale shells could be seen spreading tentacles of thick white smoke to cover the troops’ advance.”"
Israel’s Illegal Use of White Phosphorus During ‘Operation Cast Lead’ | Foreign Policy Journal


"Testimony given to Al-Monitor by Palestinian nurses, doctors and human rights activists indicate that the Israeli army used DIMEs, which causes the loss of limbs and leads to wounds that do not respond to treatment.

DIME weapons "kill their victims through the amputation of limbs in a way that resembles an automated saw. As for those who are able to survive, they are vulnerable to cancer because [the weapons] contain carcinogenic tungsten," reads a July 21 report by Al Jazeera."
Israel accused of using illegal weapons in Gaza war - Al-Monitor: the Pulse of the Middle East

Wow. So you're suggesting that Islamic terrorists must be treated with care and consideration so we don't offend their tender islamo-sensibilities?

These weapons hit more civilians than terrorists.

That's because the terrorist cowards use civilians as cover.

 

[Bleipriester]

Would you support such a deal?

Something similar was offered to the Palestinians in the past yet again they've missed the train, I personally won't support such deal at this point for two and a half reasons.
1.Those typical time outs are nothing but an attempt to reload the new magazines Hamas spent last summer while gaining more support for the next round.(You may also conclude that I have zero faith in Hamas deals)
They claimed they won't stop until the blockade is entirely lifted, but the fact they are counting their last rockets prove the success of the blockade and it's crucial necessarity..along with the new Iranian missiles I think this is another media spin to raise the support inside Gaza that is fading anyway.
2.Second reason is by allowing the losing side to determine anything including terms of surrendering is a vital mistake, they've claimed victorious last summer and yet they are in a position to suggest a deceiving deal such as that to Israel is an insult itself not to mention a new reason for Hamas to come up with a better idea for the right to deserve negotiations in the next time they'll assault Israel.

Interesting view with a lot of sense in that.
But there has to be a solution some day. How should it look like?

Definitely without Hamas, Fatah place is questionable.
There has to be a leader to replace those more likely to rebel Hamas in Gaza first.

There are surely still some secular movements that could be worth considering.

I'm only revoking Hamas(and the PIJ) for now, Fatah is originally a religious movement.
Its not about secular or religious; it's about radicalism and moderation.

A non-secular leadership always tends to radicalism. This does not mean that a religious movement cannot establish a secular leadership.

 

[Bleipriester]

So when a Hamas member launches a rocket, it is the Palestinians?
And when Israel launches a rocket, it is the Palestinians, as well?

Where did I post that then


The UN and AI have both stated that qassams are illegal weapons and a war crime on two counts.

The Israeli's took out a valid military target with minimal casualties as in accordance with IHL

IS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH FOR YOU herr obergefrieter

It is clear that for you, only Palestinians are guilty.
And you are screaming about Palestinian rockets, while Israel uses weapons that are illegal and murderous.

...with minimal casualties as in accordance with IHL...

"The Israeli military is reportedly using flechette shells in its offensive in Gaza, weapons described as illegal under “rules of humanitarian law” by an Israeli human rights organisation.

Generally fired by a tank and described as an “imprecise weapon” ill-suited to combat in a built-up area, flechette shells explode in the air above a target, sending out a cone of thousands of tiny steel darts each no more than 4cm (1.57 ins) long."
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...g-flechette-rounds-in-gaza-strip-9617480.html


"Israeli and international human rights organizations accused Israel of using white phosphorus munitions improperly during Israel’s three-week military offensive against Hamas and other militant groups in Gaza in the winter of 2008-9. Such munitions are not prohibited under international law, but they are not supposed to be used in civilian areas, because white phosphorus is highly flammable and, like napalm, it can burn flesh. Israel maintained that its use of shells containing phosphorus did not violate international law.

Kershner also didn’t mention that Israel initially denied its use of white phosphorus, which would be an behavior had its use of the munitions been legal. The London Times reported on January 5, 2009 that despite Israel’s denials, “the tell-tale shells could be seen spreading tentacles of thick white smoke to cover the troops’ advance.”"
Israel’s Illegal Use of White Phosphorus During ‘Operation Cast Lead’ | Foreign Policy Journal


"Testimony given to Al-Monitor by Palestinian nurses, doctors and human rights activists indicate that the Israeli army used DIMEs, which causes the loss of limbs and leads to wounds that do not respond to treatment.

DIME weapons "kill their victims through the amputation of limbs in a way that resembles an automated saw. As for those who are able to survive, they are vulnerable to cancer because [the weapons] contain carcinogenic tungsten," reads a July 21 report by Al Jazeera."
Israel accused of using illegal weapons in Gaza war - Al-Monitor: the Pulse of the Middle East

Wow. So you're suggesting that Islamic terrorists must be treated with care and consideration so we don't offend their tender islamo-sensibilities?

These weapons hit more civilians than terrorists.

That's because the terrorist cowards use civilians as cover.

I am not going to repeat this discussion over and over again. And I said that civilians should not pay the price. Israel will not get rid of Islamic terrorists by bombing Gaza now and then.

 

[Daniyel]

Something similar was offered to the Palestinians in the past yet again they've missed the train, I personally won't support such deal at this point for two and a half reasons.
1.Those typical time outs are nothing but an attempt to reload the new magazines Hamas spent last summer while gaining more support for the next round.(You may also conclude that I have zero faith in Hamas deals)
They claimed they won't stop until the blockade is entirely lifted, but the fact they are counting their last rockets prove the success of the blockade and it's crucial necessarity..along with the new Iranian missiles I think this is another media spin to raise the support inside Gaza that is fading anyway.
2.Second reason is by allowing the losing side to determine anything including terms of surrendering is a vital mistake, they've claimed victorious last summer and yet they are in a position to suggest a deceiving deal such as that to Israel is an insult itself not to mention a new reason for Hamas to come up with a better idea for the right to deserve negotiations in the next time they'll assault Israel.

Interesting view with a lot of sense in that.
But there has to be a solution some day. How should it look like?

Definitely without Hamas, Fatah place is questionable.
There has to be a leader to replace those more likely to rebel Hamas in Gaza first.

There are surely still some secular movements that could be worth considering.

I'm only revoking Hamas(and the PIJ) for now, Fatah is originally a religious movement.
Its not about secular or religious; it's about radicalism and moderation.

A non-secular leadership always tends to radicalism. This does not mean that a religious movement cannot establish a secular leadership.

Nazism is purely a secular movement (even atheistic) yet probably one of the world largest radical movement in mankind history.

 

[Bleipriester]

Interesting view with a lot of sense in that.
But there has to be a solution some day. How should it look like?

Definitely without Hamas, Fatah place is questionable.
There has to be a leader to replace those more likely to rebel Hamas in Gaza first.

There are surely still some secular movements that could be worth considering.

I'm only revoking Hamas(and the PIJ) for now, Fatah is originally a religious movement.
Its not about secular or religious; it's about radicalism and moderation.

A non-secular leadership always tends to radicalism. This does not mean that a religious movement cannot establish a secular leadership.

Nazism is purely a secular movement (even atheistic) yet probably one of the world largest radical movement in mankind history.

Extremism can have more pillars than only religion. However, the nazi´s belief to be part of a superior race is kinda religious.

 

[Daniyel]

Definitely without Hamas, Fatah place is questionable.
There has to be a leader to replace those more likely to rebel Hamas in Gaza first.

There are surely still some secular movements that could be worth considering.

I'm only revoking Hamas(and the PIJ) for now, Fatah is originally a religious movement.
Its not about secular or religious; it's about radicalism and moderation.

A non-secular leadership always tends to radicalism. This does not mean that a religious movement cannot establish a secular leadership.

Nazism is purely a secular movement (even atheistic) yet probably one of the world largest radical movement in mankind history.

Extremism can have more pillars than only religion. However, the nazi´s belief to be part of a superior race is kinda religious.

That is the difference between an ideology and a religion, you can follow the ideology of God throughout different religions.
Religion is part of that ideology.
Nazism is an ideology itself.

 

[Phoenall]

Hamas-Israel Deal: Who Benefits?

According to multiple news sources, including Haaretz andJPost, Hamas and Israel are currently in the process of solidifying a deal that would end the closure (also known as the blockade) in exchange for an eight-year cease-fire, return of prisoners and halt to tunnel building. On the surface, this deal seems favorable for both sides. Gaza would be able to start much needed reconstruction and rebuild its economy, while Israel would gain regional quiet for the near future. However, reality is more complicated than it often seems.

Hamas without tunnels? lol.

What is your problem, how about Israel without an Air Force, Sirens, Shelters, IDF, Nukes, Iron Dome, and you begrudge them a few tunnels. They can't go up or to sea , you have them trapped. What do you actually think these people are suppose to bow down to you, because of what, your all powerful and you think for some absurb reason you have some sort of right to that land, their land , your stealing their land and killing them. Just who do you think you are?

Then let them build the tunnels under your schools and prime them with H.E. ready to blow the schools up. If they did that then the UN would need to very quickly evacuate gaza before every living thing was killed in the backlash.
These people need to start accepting that they are not superior to the rest of the world and start acting as decent human beings, and not gods chosen. They made promises 2 years ago and have since ignored them, so time for the UN to issue threats in regards to those promises and give them 6 weeks to negotiate peace and mutual borders or get removed from the UN and lose the UNWRA

Then let them build the tunnels under your schools and prime them with H.E. ready to blow the schools up.​

I hear that BS all the time but 100% of their attacks were legitimate targets. Only the invading IDF troops were attacked. No civilians.

So who were the rockets and mortars aimed at then ? Didn't see any troops in the schools of Sderot, or in the kindergartens which were the intended targets for hamas attacks

 

[Phoenall]

No I don't think so, all the people need freedom of movement, and the Palestinians in Gaza should be able to move freely back and forth to the west bank and vice versa.

What is the Palestinians in Gaza getting in this deal, nothing.

Peace and no more retaliation to illegal rockets. But latest news is that hamas have started to fire illegal rockets again and Israel has responded by targeting senior hamas officials.
So you see it is a two way street and unless the Palestinians start acting like decent human beings they will be treated as scum.

So when a Hamas member launches a rocket, it is the Palestinians?
And when Israel launches a rocket, it is the Palestinians, as well?

Where did I post that then


The UN and AI have both stated that qassams are illegal weapons and a war crime on two counts.

The Israeli's took out a valid military target with minimal casualties as in accordance with IHL

IS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH FOR YOU herr obergefrieter

It is clear that for you, only Palestinians are guilty.
And you are screaming about Palestinian rockets, while Israel uses weapons that are illegal and murderous.

...with minimal casualties as in accordance with IHL...

"The Israeli military is reportedly using flechette shells in its offensive in Gaza, weapons described as illegal under “rules of humanitarian law” by an Israeli human rights organisation.

Generally fired by a tank and described as an “imprecise weapon” ill-suited to combat in a built-up area, flechette shells explode in the air above a target, sending out a cone of thousands of tiny steel darts each no more than 4cm (1.57 ins) long."
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...g-flechette-rounds-in-gaza-strip-9617480.html


"Israeli and international human rights organizations accused Israel of using white phosphorus munitions improperly during Israel’s three-week military offensive against Hamas and other militant groups in Gaza in the winter of 2008-9. Such munitions are not prohibited under international law, but they are not supposed to be used in civilian areas, because white phosphorus is highly flammable and, like napalm, it can burn flesh. Israel maintained that its use of shells containing phosphorus did not violate international law.

Kershner also didn’t mention that Israel initially denied its use of white phosphorus, which would be an behavior had its use of the munitions been legal. The London Times reported on January 5, 2009 that despite Israel’s denials, “the tell-tale shells could be seen spreading tentacles of thick white smoke to cover the troops’ advance.”"
Israel’s Illegal Use of White Phosphorus During ‘Operation Cast Lead’ | Foreign Policy Journal


"Testimony given to Al-Monitor by Palestinian nurses, doctors and human rights activists indicate that the Israeli army used DIMEs, which causes the loss of limbs and leads to wounds that do not respond to treatment.

DIME weapons "kill their victims through the amputation of limbs in a way that resembles an automated saw. As for those who are able to survive, they are vulnerable to cancer because [the weapons] contain carcinogenic tungsten," reads a July 21 report by Al Jazeera."
Israel accused of using illegal weapons in Gaza war - Al-Monitor: the Pulse of the Middle East

Not one of those weapons was illegal when used by Israel and that is why the UN has not censured their use. Now that hamas is using W.P. in its rockets along with chemical/biological agents they are a war crime and they are warned about their use.

So produce the IHL that made the weapons illegal when last used by Israel. I note you don't say a word about the depleted uranium bullets used by the Palestinians, now why is that could it be because you are a HYPOCRITE

 

[Phoenall]

Definitely without Hamas, Fatah place is questionable.
There has to be a leader to replace those more likely to rebel Hamas in Gaza first.

There are surely still some secular movements that could be worth considering.

I'm only revoking Hamas(and the PIJ) for now, Fatah is originally a religious movement.
Its not about secular or religious; it's about radicalism and moderation.

A non-secular leadership always tends to radicalism. This does not mean that a religious movement cannot establish a secular leadership.

Nazism is purely a secular movement (even atheistic) yet probably one of the world largest radical movement in mankind history.

Extremism can have more pillars than only religion. However, the nazi´s belief to be part of a superior race is kinda religious.

You would know all about that subject now wouldn't you

 

[Phoenall]

Peace and no more retaliation to illegal rockets. But latest news is that hamas have started to fire illegal rockets again and Israel has responded by targeting senior hamas officials.
So you see it is a two way street and unless the Palestinians start acting like decent human beings they will be treated as scum.

So when a Hamas member launches a rocket, it is the Palestinians?
And when Israel launches a rocket, it is the Palestinians, as well?

Where did I post that then


The UN and AI have both stated that qassams are illegal weapons and a war crime on two counts.

The Israeli's took out a valid military target with minimal casualties as in accordance with IHL

IS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH FOR YOU herr obergefrieter

It is clear that for you, only Palestinians are guilty.
And you are screaming about Palestinian rockets, while Israel uses weapons that are illegal and murderous.

...with minimal casualties as in accordance with IHL...

"The Israeli military is reportedly using flechette shells in its offensive in Gaza, weapons described as illegal under “rules of humanitarian law” by an Israeli human rights organisation.

Generally fired by a tank and described as an “imprecise weapon” ill-suited to combat in a built-up area, flechette shells explode in the air above a target, sending out a cone of thousands of tiny steel darts each no more than 4cm (1.57 ins) long."
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...g-flechette-rounds-in-gaza-strip-9617480.html


"Israeli and international human rights organizations accused Israel of using white phosphorus munitions improperly during Israel’s three-week military offensive against Hamas and other militant groups in Gaza in the winter of 2008-9. Such munitions are not prohibited under international law, but they are not supposed to be used in civilian areas, because white phosphorus is highly flammable and, like napalm, it can burn flesh. Israel maintained that its use of shells containing phosphorus did not violate international law.

Kershner also didn’t mention that Israel initially denied its use of white phosphorus, which would be an behavior had its use of the munitions been legal. The London Times reported on January 5, 2009 that despite Israel’s denials, “the tell-tale shells could be seen spreading tentacles of thick white smoke to cover the troops’ advance.”"
Israel’s Illegal Use of White Phosphorus During ‘Operation Cast Lead’ | Foreign Policy Journal


"Testimony given to Al-Monitor by Palestinian nurses, doctors and human rights activists indicate that the Israeli army used DIMEs, which causes the loss of limbs and leads to wounds that do not respond to treatment.

DIME weapons "kill their victims through the amputation of limbs in a way that resembles an automated saw. As for those who are able to survive, they are vulnerable to cancer because [the weapons] contain carcinogenic tungsten," reads a July 21 report by Al Jazeera."
Israel accused of using illegal weapons in Gaza war - Al-Monitor: the Pulse of the Middle East

Wow. So you're suggesting that Islamic terrorists must be treated with care and consideration so we don't offend their tender islamo-sensibilities?

These weapons hit more civilians than terrorists.

Then they should have evacuated the war zone as they were asked, once they stayed they were no longer civilians but militia.

 

[Phoenall]

Where did I post that then


The UN and AI have both stated that qassams are illegal weapons and a war crime on two counts.

The Israeli's took out a valid military target with minimal casualties as in accordance with IHL

IS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH FOR YOU herr obergefrieter

It is clear that for you, only Palestinians are guilty.
And you are screaming about Palestinian rockets, while Israel uses weapons that are illegal and murderous.

...with minimal casualties as in accordance with IHL...

"The Israeli military is reportedly using flechette shells in its offensive in Gaza, weapons described as illegal under “rules of humanitarian law” by an Israeli human rights organisation.

Generally fired by a tank and described as an “imprecise weapon” ill-suited to combat in a built-up area, flechette shells explode in the air above a target, sending out a cone of thousands of tiny steel darts each no more than 4cm (1.57 ins) long."
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...g-flechette-rounds-in-gaza-strip-9617480.html


"Israeli and international human rights organizations accused Israel of using white phosphorus munitions improperly during Israel’s three-week military offensive against Hamas and other militant groups in Gaza in the winter of 2008-9. Such munitions are not prohibited under international law, but they are not supposed to be used in civilian areas, because white phosphorus is highly flammable and, like napalm, it can burn flesh. Israel maintained that its use of shells containing phosphorus did not violate international law.

Kershner also didn’t mention that Israel initially denied its use of white phosphorus, which would be an behavior had its use of the munitions been legal. The London Times reported on January 5, 2009 that despite Israel’s denials, “the tell-tale shells could be seen spreading tentacles of thick white smoke to cover the troops’ advance.”"
Israel’s Illegal Use of White Phosphorus During ‘Operation Cast Lead’ | Foreign Policy Journal


"Testimony given to Al-Monitor by Palestinian nurses, doctors and human rights activists indicate that the Israeli army used DIMEs, which causes the loss of limbs and leads to wounds that do not respond to treatment.

DIME weapons "kill their victims through the amputation of limbs in a way that resembles an automated saw. As for those who are able to survive, they are vulnerable to cancer because [the weapons] contain carcinogenic tungsten," reads a July 21 report by Al Jazeera."
Israel accused of using illegal weapons in Gaza war - Al-Monitor: the Pulse of the Middle East

Wow. So you're suggesting that Islamic terrorists must be treated with care and consideration so we don't offend their tender islamo-sensibilities?

These weapons hit more civilians than terrorists.

That's because the terrorist cowards use civilians as cover.

I am not going to repeat this discussion over and over again. And I said that civilians should not pay the price. Israel will not get rid of Islamic terrorists by bombing Gaza now and then.

They wont get rid of them by allowing them free access to Israeli civilians

 

[Coyote]

Israel Denies Contacts With Hamas on Long-term Truce

Israel officially denied Monday night that it is conducting direct or indirect negotiations with Hamas on a long-term cease-fire agreement. “There are no meetings with Hamas,” the prime minister’s bureau said in a statement, adding: “There are no direct contacts, no contacts through other countries and no contacts through intermediaries.” the statement from Prime Minister Netanyahu’s bureau came after weeks of frequent reports from Palestinian and other Arab media of contacts between Israel and Hamas over a long-term cease-fire. ..

Israel denies contacts with Hamas on long-term truce - Diplomacy and Defense

Much ado about nothing?

I wonder. Often in these sort of things, there are a lot of behind the scenes negotiating - "unofficially" - to see if a suitable framework can be found for some sort of agreement before anything is made public. It's not made public early on because it might amount to nothing and also the political pressures from the various special interest groups mght make it impossible. This is very much the way Nixon dealt with China.

I hope there is validity to it - could be a good thing. Would be nice to see Hamas more interested in governance than terrorism and this would be a positive step towards legitimizing their state.

 

[Kondor3]

Israel Denies Contacts With Hamas on Long-term Truce

Israel officially denied Monday night that it is conducting direct or indirect negotiations with Hamas on a long-term cease-fire agreement. “There are no meetings with Hamas,” the prime minister’s bureau said in a statement, adding: “There are no direct contacts, no contacts through other countries and no contacts through intermediaries.” the statement from Prime Minister Netanyahu’s bureau came after weeks of frequent reports from Palestinian and other Arab media of contacts between Israel and Hamas over a long-term cease-fire. ..

Israel denies contacts with Hamas on long-term truce - Diplomacy and Defense

Much ado about nothing?

I wonder. Often in these sort of things, there are a lot of behind the scenes negotiating - "unofficially" - to see if a suitable framework can be found for some sort of agreement before anything is made public. It's not made public early on because it might amount to nothing and also the political pressures from the various special interest groups mght make it impossible. This is very much the way Nixon dealt with China.

I hope there is validity to it - could be a good thing. Would be nice to see Hamas more interested in governance than terrorism and this would be a positive step towards legitimizing their state.

Anything is possible.

In this context, barely, but...

 

[Daniyel]

Israel Denies Contacts With Hamas on Long-term Truce

Israel officially denied Monday night that it is conducting direct or indirect negotiations with Hamas on a long-term cease-fire agreement. “There are no meetings with Hamas,” the prime minister’s bureau said in a statement, adding: “There are no direct contacts, no contacts through other countries and no contacts through intermediaries.” the statement from Prime Minister Netanyahu’s bureau came after weeks of frequent reports from Palestinian and other Arab media of contacts between Israel and Hamas over a long-term cease-fire. ..

Israel denies contacts with Hamas on long-term truce - Diplomacy and Defense

Much ado about nothing?

I wonder. Often in these sort of things, there are a lot of behind the scenes negotiating - "unofficially" - to see if a suitable framework can be found for some sort of agreement before anything is made public. It's not made public early on because it might amount to nothing and also the political pressures from the various special interest groups mght make it impossible. This is very much the way Nixon dealt with China.

I hope there is validity to it - could be a good thing. Would be nice to see Hamas more interested in governance than terrorism and this would be a positive step towards legitimizing their state.

Anything is possible.

In this context, barely, but...

Maybe with Egypt, possibly, it happened with Israel and Turkey just few months ago.

 

[Phoenall]

Israel Denies Contacts With Hamas on Long-term Truce

Israel officially denied Monday night that it is conducting direct or indirect negotiations with Hamas on a long-term cease-fire agreement. “There are no meetings with Hamas,” the prime minister’s bureau said in a statement, adding: “There are no direct contacts, no contacts through other countries and no contacts through intermediaries.” the statement from Prime Minister Netanyahu’s bureau came after weeks of frequent reports from Palestinian and other Arab media of contacts between Israel and Hamas over a long-term cease-fire. ..

Israel denies contacts with Hamas on long-term truce - Diplomacy and Defense

Much ado about nothing?

I wonder. Often in these sort of things, there are a lot of behind the scenes negotiating - "unofficially" - to see if a suitable framework can be found for some sort of agreement before anything is made public. It's not made public early on because it might amount to nothing and also the political pressures from the various special interest groups mght make it impossible. This is very much the way Nixon dealt with China.

I hope there is validity to it - could be a good thing. Would be nice to see Hamas more interested in governance than terrorism and this would be a positive step towards legitimizing their state.

In the last week hamas has fired 25 illegal rockets at Israel, to which Israel retaliated with an air strike on a senior hamas official. reported by Huffington post yesterday.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Israel Denies Contacts With Hamas on Long-term Truce

Israel officially denied Monday night that it is conducting direct or indirect negotiations with Hamas on a long-term cease-fire agreement. “There are no meetings with Hamas,” the prime minister’s bureau said in a statement, adding: “There are no direct contacts, no contacts through other countries and no contacts through intermediaries.” the statement from Prime Minister Netanyahu’s bureau came after weeks of frequent reports from Palestinian and other Arab media of contacts between Israel and Hamas over a long-term cease-fire. ..

Israel denies contacts with Hamas on long-term truce - Diplomacy and Defense

Much ado about nothing?

I wonder. Often in these sort of things, there are a lot of behind the scenes negotiating - "unofficially" - to see if a suitable framework can be found for some sort of agreement before anything is made public. It's not made public early on because it might amount to nothing and also the political pressures from the various special interest groups mght make it impossible. This is very much the way Nixon dealt with China.

I hope there is validity to it - could be a good thing. Would be nice to see Hamas more interested in governance than terrorism and this would be a positive step towards legitimizing their state.

In the last week hamas has fired 25 illegal rockets at Israel, to which Israel retaliated with an air strike on a senior hamas official. reported by Huffington post yesterday.

And last week there was the blockade which is an act of war.

Do you have a point?

 

[Challenger]

Peace and no more retaliation to illegal rockets. But latest news is that hamas have started to fire illegal rockets again and Israel has responded by targeting senior hamas officials.
So you see it is a two way street and unless the Palestinians start acting like decent human beings they will be treated as scum.

So when a Hamas member launches a rocket, it is the Palestinians?
And when Israel launches a rocket, it is the Palestinians, as well?

Where did I post that then


The UN and AI have both stated that qassams are illegal weapons and a war crime on two counts.

The Israeli's took out a valid military target with minimal casualties as in accordance with IHL

IS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH FOR YOU herr obergefrieter

It is clear that for you, only Palestinians are guilty.
And you are screaming about Palestinian rockets, while Israel uses weapons that are illegal and murderous.

...with minimal casualties as in accordance with IHL...

"The Israeli military is reportedly using flechette shells in its offensive in Gaza, weapons described as illegal under “rules of humanitarian law” by an Israeli human rights organisation.

Generally fired by a tank and described as an “imprecise weapon” ill-suited to combat in a built-up area, flechette shells explode in the air above a target, sending out a cone of thousands of tiny steel darts each no more than 4cm (1.57 ins) long."
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...g-flechette-rounds-in-gaza-strip-9617480.html


"Israeli and international human rights organizations accused Israel of using white phosphorus munitions improperly during Israel’s three-week military offensive against Hamas and other militant groups in Gaza in the winter of 2008-9. Such munitions are not prohibited under international law, but they are not supposed to be used in civilian areas, because white phosphorus is highly flammable and, like napalm, it can burn flesh. Israel maintained that its use of shells containing phosphorus did not violate international law.

Kershner also didn’t mention that Israel initially denied its use of white phosphorus, which would be an behavior had its use of the munitions been legal. The London Times reported on January 5, 2009 that despite Israel’s denials, “the tell-tale shells could be seen spreading tentacles of thick white smoke to cover the troops’ advance.”"
Israel’s Illegal Use of White Phosphorus During ‘Operation Cast Lead’ | Foreign Policy Journal


"Testimony given to Al-Monitor by Palestinian nurses, doctors and human rights activists indicate that the Israeli army used DIMEs, which causes the loss of limbs and leads to wounds that do not respond to treatment.

DIME weapons "kill their victims through the amputation of limbs in a way that resembles an automated saw. As for those who are able to survive, they are vulnerable to cancer because [the weapons] contain carcinogenic tungsten," reads a July 21 report by Al Jazeera."
Israel accused of using illegal weapons in Gaza war - Al-Monitor: the Pulse of the Middle East

Wow. So you're suggesting that Islamic terrorists must be treated with care and consideration so we don't offend their tender islamo-sensibilities?

No, Palestinian Resistance fighters must be treated with care and consideration to demonstrate the life affirming, liberal and democratic values Zionist Israel bleats on about. Go on, demonstrate to the world you are better than them, more superior, kinder, more considerate, god's chosen.

 

[Hollie]

Peace and no more retaliation to illegal rockets. But latest news is that hamas have started to fire illegal rockets again and Israel has responded by targeting senior hamas officials.
So you see it is a two way street and unless the Palestinians start acting like decent human beings they will be treated as scum.

So when a Hamas member launches a rocket, it is the Palestinians?
And when Israel launches a rocket, it is the Palestinians, as well?

Where did I post that then


The UN and AI have both stated that qassams are illegal weapons and a war crime on two counts.

The Israeli's took out a valid military target with minimal casualties as in accordance with IHL

IS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH FOR YOU herr obergefrieter

It is clear that for you, only Palestinians are guilty.
And you are screaming about Palestinian rockets, while Israel uses weapons that are illegal and murderous.

...with minimal casualties as in accordance with IHL...

"The Israeli military is reportedly using flechette shells in its offensive in Gaza, weapons described as illegal under “rules of humanitarian law” by an Israeli human rights organisation.

Generally fired by a tank and described as an “imprecise weapon” ill-suited to combat in a built-up area, flechette shells explode in the air above a target, sending out a cone of thousands of tiny steel darts each no more than 4cm (1.57 ins) long."
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...g-flechette-rounds-in-gaza-strip-9617480.html


"Israeli and international human rights organizations accused Israel of using white phosphorus munitions improperly during Israel’s three-week military offensive against Hamas and other militant groups in Gaza in the winter of 2008-9. Such munitions are not prohibited under international law, but they are not supposed to be used in civilian areas, because white phosphorus is highly flammable and, like napalm, it can burn flesh. Israel maintained that its use of shells containing phosphorus did not violate international law.

Kershner also didn’t mention that Israel initially denied its use of white phosphorus, which would be an behavior had its use of the munitions been legal. The London Times reported on January 5, 2009 that despite Israel’s denials, “the tell-tale shells could be seen spreading tentacles of thick white smoke to cover the troops’ advance.”"
Israel’s Illegal Use of White Phosphorus During ‘Operation Cast Lead’ | Foreign Policy Journal


"Testimony given to Al-Monitor by Palestinian nurses, doctors and human rights activists indicate that the Israeli army used DIMEs, which causes the loss of limbs and leads to wounds that do not respond to treatment.

DIME weapons "kill their victims through the amputation of limbs in a way that resembles an automated saw. As for those who are able to survive, they are vulnerable to cancer because [the weapons] contain carcinogenic tungsten," reads a July 21 report by Al Jazeera."
Israel accused of using illegal weapons in Gaza war - Al-Monitor: the Pulse of the Middle East

Wow. So you're suggesting that Islamic terrorists must be treated with care and consideration so we don't offend their tender islamo-sensibilities?

No, Palestinian Resistance fighters must be treated with care and consideration to demonstrate the life affirming, liberal and democratic values Zionist Israel bleats on about. Go on, demonstrate to the world you are better than them, more superior, kinder, more considerate, god's chosen.

A lot of bluster.

The gee-had won't be won by slamming away at your keyboard.