Hamas, Fatah, PIJ, and the rest.

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Oh, this is a bit of an exaggeration...

(COMMENT)

"Thousands of years?" Meaning more than one.

In the period from today and stretching back ---- and two millennium ---- I do not think that there was any period of time in which the indigenous population for the territory exercised autonomous self-governing authority over the area known today as the territory formerly under the Mandate.

Two thousand years ago (6 AD), Roman expeditionary forces established the province called Judaea. The Romans maintained sovereign control of the region until ≈ 614 AD; when The King of the Sasanian Empire (Persians) - Shah Shahrvaraz - took control of Jerusalem until the Islamic Emperor took control in ≈ 627 - 630. For a couple hundred years, the sovereignty exchanged hands several time Among the Caliphs several times. This struggle continued until the establishment of the Catholic Kingdom of Jerusalem until the Kurdish Leader Saladin captured Jerusalem from Crusaders (≈ 1187). This remained the status quo, bouncing back and fourth until Ottoman Sultan Selim I took control (≈ 1517). This Ottoman control remained until the Turkish Republic came to power; and Kemal Ataturk negotiated a peace.

The indigenous Palestinians did not survive for thousands of years, it was never a soveriegn extending self-government.

For every dollar the Russians gave to the Arab League in the post-WWII era, a similar amount was provided to Israel in order to ensure that Cold War era Israel maintained a qualitative and comprehensive military edge over the Arab Allies to Russia.

Military Aid by the US to Israel was comparative to the Russian Military Aid to Lebanon, Syria, and Egypt. But military aid and internal defense and development (IDAD) from either the US it its allies --- or --- Russia to its allies is completely different from the International Donor Aid to Arab Palestinians. "International aid to the Palestinian Authority fell by 70% over the last four years, significantly affecting the Palestinian government's budget, and consequently, the economy." By contrast -- the US bi-lateral aid remained relatively constant.

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"Since the establishment of limited Palestinian self-rule in the West Bank and Gaza Strip in the mid-1990s, the U.S. government has committed more than $5 billion in bilateral economic and non-lethal security assistance to the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza, who are among the largest per capita recipients of foreign aid worldwide."

SEE: Why donor countries are giving less to the Palestinians
Author Adnan Abu Amer
Posted February 24, 2016
Translator Kamal Fayad

Most Respectfully,
R

"Since the establishment of limited Palestinian self-rule in the West Bank and Gaza Strip in the mid-1990s, the U.S. government has committed more than $5 billion in bilateral economic and non-lethal security assistance to the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza, who are among the largest per capita recipients of foreign aid worldwide."​

Indeed, and that money is to benefit Israel not the Palestinians.

So lets see now. Us sends $5 billion in aid to West Bank Palestinians -- & Israel benefits. A classic case of Palestinian mentality.

Sure:

AND what does this prove ?

Nothing if you do not understand English.

So you admit you do not understand English, figures ! ! ! ! ! !

 

[Phoenall]

These Islamic terrorist fashion shows are a hoot.

It's just so typical that the islamist cowards you regail as heroes manage to spend their welfare dollars on military style uniforms which are reserved for goofy "parade of the cowards".

How typical that the Islamic terrorist cowards wage war from behind the women they force into Shame Sacks and from behind children. We never see your cowardly heroes in military uniform when they're committing acts of war against Israel.

We never see israeli terrorist's in uniform or even using their own passport when they commit extra-judicial assassinations Assassination of Mahmoud Al-Mabhouh - Wikipedia

According to islamonazi propaganda, still not proven that the assassins were Israeli as the pictures show actual known hamas killers. And which authority has said that Israeli's are terrorists, discount all islamonazi mouth pieces and dhimmi lands and you have NONE

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Nonsense!

• 18 U.S.C. § 2339A(b)(1)
• 18 U.S.C. § 2339A(b)(2)
• 8 U.S.C. § 2339A(b)(3)
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OK, but supporting Israel violates US laws.

(COMMENT)

How does Commercial, Agricultural and military aid violate US Law. The US Congress and the Executive Branch has made certain determinations. Washington has maintained its large-scale military, financial, and diplomatic support for the Israeli occupation. Remember, US support is not dependent on the position of Israel on International Law. In fact, very few actions initiated under Congressional support and law, are dependent on International Law.

• Israel has successfully prevented victories by radical nationalist movements in Lebanon and Jordan, as well as in Palestine.
• Israel has kept Syria, for many years an ally of the Soviet Union, in check.
• Israel’s air force is predominant throughout the region.
• Israel’s frequent wars have provided battlefield testing for American arms, often against Soviet weapons.
• Israel’s intelligence service has assisted the in intelligence gathering and covert operations.
• Israel has missiles capable of reaching as far as the former Soviet Union, it possesses a nuclear arsenal of hundreds of weapons, and it has cooperated with the American military-industrial complex with research and development for new jet fighters and anti-missile defense systems.

•√• American Aid Increases as Israel Grows Stronger
•√• Maintaining Israel’s Military Superiority/Qualitative Edge and Advantage​

American support for Israeli policies, like American support for its allies elsewhere, is primarily based upon the Israels support for perceived American national and commercial security interests.

Most Respectfully,
R

In fact, very few actions initiated under Congressional support and law, are dependent on International Law.​

Indeed, those clowns don't give a rat's ass about any law domestic or international.

So now it is slime America week because you have been destroyed in regards to slimeing Israel

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

OH, for heavens sake.... You need to read it again.

“And many suggest in the strongest possible terms that Congress should conduct a thorough review of continued US assistance to the Palestinian Authority to ensure that the law is completely followed and implemented.”

“And many suggest in the strongest possible terms that Congress should conduct a thorough review of continued US assistance to the Palestinian Authority to ensure that the law is completely followed and implemented.”​

That is the opposite of the truth. US aid pays the "PA" to violate Palestinian law and their constitution.

(COMMENT)

They are talking about US Law. (It is unlawful for a person in the United States or subject to the jurisdiction of the United States to knowingly provide "material support or resources" to a designated FTO.)

• 18 U.S.C. § 2339A(b)(1)
• 18 U.S.C. § 2339A(b)(2)
• 8 U.S.C. § 2339A(b)(3)
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No one in America is going to depend on Arab Law --- or --- the adherence to Arab laws by the Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP) [listed on the Foreign Terrorist Organizations (FTOs)]... They are talking about a review to determine if the US is providing "material support" to any organization that transcend national boundaries in terms of the means by which they are accomplished, and appears intended to intimidate or coerce, to influence the policy of the US Government or allied government that will adversely impact American Interests.

The reputation of the HoAP is such as they are all considered corrupt. Any true outside observer understand that the Basic Law of Palestine is merely a sham. No one expected the Arab Palestinians to adhere to it. No one was surprised that they did not. They are not reached that level of development and are not expected to approach that level for another decade.

Most Respectfully,
R

OK, but supporting Israel violates US laws.

Says who, when was this judgement passed ?

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

OH, for heavens sake.... You need to read it again.

“And many suggest in the strongest possible terms that Congress should conduct a thorough review of continued US assistance to the Palestinian Authority to ensure that the law is completely followed and implemented.”

“And many suggest in the strongest possible terms that Congress should conduct a thorough review of continued US assistance to the Palestinian Authority to ensure that the law is completely followed and implemented.”​

That is the opposite of the truth. US aid pays the "PA" to violate Palestinian law and their constitution.

(COMMENT)

They are talking about US Law. (It is unlawful for a person in the United States or subject to the jurisdiction of the United States to knowingly provide "material support or resources" to a designated FTO.)

• 18 U.S.C. § 2339A(b)(1)
• 18 U.S.C. § 2339A(b)(2)
• 8 U.S.C. § 2339A(b)(3)
​

No one in America is going to depend on Arab Law --- or --- the adherence to Arab laws by the Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP) [listed on the Foreign Terrorist Organizations (FTOs)]... They are talking about a review to determine if the US is providing "material support" to any organization that transcend national boundaries in terms of the means by which they are accomplished, and appears intended to intimidate or coerce, to influence the policy of the US Government or allied government that will adversely impact American Interests.

The reputation of the HoAP is such as they are all considered corrupt. Any true outside observer understand that the Basic Law of Palestine is merely a sham. No one expected the Arab Palestinians to adhere to it. No one was surprised that they did not. They are not reached that level of development and are not expected to approach that level for another decade.

Most Respectfully,
R

OK, but supporting Israel violates US laws.

Are you having another... umm... "episode"?

No just a continuation of the last one

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I'm not sure that the members of Congress (≈ 535) are clowns. You may not agree with them (I don't often agree with them), but they are anything but clowns.

As it impacts me, most members of Congress come from a different social standing than I. Over 60% of the Senate have members that a millionaires. Michael Thomas McCaul, Sr. --- is the US Representative for Stated of Texas (10th congressional district) has served since 2005; and he has an estimated net worth approach $150 million to (some say) $200 million. The combined net worth of the 17 richest members of Congress was almost $2.5 billion in 2011. I can't even afford to breath the same air as they do.

In fact, very few actions initiated under Congressional support and law, are dependent on International Law.

Indeed, those clowns don't give a rat's ass about any law domestic or international.

(COMMENT)

These are men that know what they want, and get it. They are not going to be play second fiddle to the UN.

Hear this clearly: In America, not unlike many other countries in the world, maintenance activity of the Hegemony DOES NOT moves beyond the scope of America's own interests and DOES NOT takes into account the interests of others nations unless the interests of other supports or reinforces the interests of the United States. In the political-military policies of America --- a proper and correct act is then defined as the one which brings about the best results (for America and its interests). Unlike other nations, the US holds that the reputation of America is a positive asset; and its maintenance of a key interest.

The single biggest reason in the world for the poor economy, the high cost of an education and health care, and the lack of scientific development in the US is that these very rich politicians in Washington have no real interest in the people and developmental improvements.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I'm not sure that the members of Congress (≈ 535) are clowns. You may not agree with them (I don't often agree with them), but they are anything but clowns.

As it impacts me, most members of Congress come from a different social standing than I. Over 60% of the Senate have members that a millionaires. Michael Thomas McCaul, Sr. --- is the US Representative for Stated of Texas (10th congressional district) has served since 2005; and he has an estimated net worth approach $150 million to (some say) $200 million. The combined net worth of the 17 richest members of Congress was almost $2.5 billion in 2011. I can't even afford to breath the same air as they do.

In fact, very few actions initiated under Congressional support and law, are dependent on International Law.

Indeed, those clowns don't give a rat's ass about any law domestic or international.

(COMMENT)

These are men that know what they want, and get it. They are not going to be play second fiddle to the UN.

Hear this clearly: In America, not unlike many other countries in the world, maintenance activity of the Hegemony DOES NOT moves beyond the scope of America's own interests and DOES NOT takes into account the interests of others nations unless the interests of other supports or reinforces the interests of the United States. In the political-military policies of America --- a proper and correct act is then defined as the one which brings about the best results (for America and its interests). Unlike other nations, the US holds that the reputation of America is a positive asset; and its maintenance of a key interest.

The single biggest reason in the world for the poor economy, the high cost of an education and health care, and the lack of scientific development in the US is that these very rich politicians in Washington have no real interest in the people and developmental improvements.

Most Respectfully,
R

As our country goes down the tubes their only interest is packing their own pockets. It is up to you to believe the clown thing or not.

 

[MJB12741]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I'm not sure that the members of Congress (≈ 535) are clowns. You may not agree with them (I don't often agree with them), but they are anything but clowns.

As it impacts me, most members of Congress come from a different social standing than I. Over 60% of the Senate have members that a millionaires. Michael Thomas McCaul, Sr. --- is the US Representative for Stated of Texas (10th congressional district) has served since 2005; and he has an estimated net worth approach $150 million to (some say) $200 million. The combined net worth of the 17 richest members of Congress was almost $2.5 billion in 2011. I can't even afford to breath the same air as they do.

In fact, very few actions initiated under Congressional support and law, are dependent on International Law.

Indeed, those clowns don't give a rat's ass about any law domestic or international.

(COMMENT)

These are men that know what they want, and get it. They are not going to be play second fiddle to the UN.

Hear this clearly: In America, not unlike many other countries in the world, maintenance activity of the Hegemony DOES NOT moves beyond the scope of America's own interests and DOES NOT takes into account the interests of others nations unless the interests of other supports or reinforces the interests of the United States. In the political-military policies of America --- a proper and correct act is then defined as the one which brings about the best results (for America and its interests). Unlike other nations, the US holds that the reputation of America is a positive asset; and its maintenance of a key interest.

The single biggest reason in the world for the poor economy, the high cost of an education and health care, and the lack of scientific development in the US is that these very rich politicians in Washington have no real interest in the people and developmental improvements.

Most Respectfully,
R

As our country goes down the tubes their only interest is packing their own pockets. It is up to you to believe the clown thing or not.

Our country is going down the tubes??? Hey I have an idea. Lets infiltrate it with peace loving, life loving, America loving Palestinians. Don't you agree?

 

[MJB12741]

Is this what Tinmore is referring to as "our country going down the tubes"? If so, may our country continue to "go down the tubes."

Trump stock market rally continues

 

[member]

I Think it is a topic worth discussion since every suggested solution to the conflict runs throughout this issue..

Let's say we found a solution and we are ready to implement it today, is there a place for all these organizations or not? They all sided with the Palestinians but they are unacceptable among Israel (we may exclude Fatah)
Hamas -
Fatah -
PIJ -
Independent cells -

Let's try to stay on topic, assuming we had a solution what would be with these organizations - what would be their role, try see things neutrally.

". . .is there a place for all these organizations..."



Hamas
Fatah
PIJ
Independent cell(s)





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[member]

Let's say we found a solution and we are ready to implement it today is there a place for all these organizations or not?

There are already solutions. They will never be implemented, because the power trade outweighs human dignity. That answers your question.

If Hitler really wanted a final solution he would have used typhoid, Typhoid took it's toll

...figures you mention: "Hitler, final solution, typhoid."

*SnAP* out of it Hitler wanna-be..

 

[fanger]

Anne Frank
died from typhus

 

[Phoenall]

Anne Frank
died from typhus

EVIDENCE and in full showing that it was because of the conditions and lack of medical intervention that led to a pandemic outbreak.

Dont see these pandemic outbreaks in "palestine" only in the other islamonazi nations that house "palestinian" refugees