Halloween decorations carry haunting message of forced labor

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    "Free" trade is part of what is sinking the middle class. The Unions seem to think that by defending a system that can't work.

    This type of "free" trade is why I say that WJ Clinton did more damage to the American working man then any president before or since. It was predicted, it happened, don't deny it.
     
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    So Clinton did this all on his own eh?
     
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    He could have stopped it all on his own. He pushed for "free" trade harder then he pushed for anything else. The Unions said they would punish anyone who voted for the "free" trade agreements, then did not, they only did what they know.
     
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    Clinton wanted prosperity at any cost...especially of the cost is in the future after he is gone. He agreed to NAFTA as a compromise to get Republicans to give him what he wanted on homeowner expansion.
     
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    I see that the liberals have never understood that forced labor is necessary to support communism. When the government supplies the people with all of their needs, the people will be entitled to having those needs filled but not think they should have to work. Eventually forced labor becomes necessary. Stalin knew that much.

    Many of the workers in forced labor camps are drug users so I can't muster up very much sympathy for them.

    China: Drug

    Police abuses of the law have to be dealt with. Obviously because police abuse has to be dealt with everywhere it exists. This doesn't mean ending a very effective program of getting drug users off the streets.
     
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    If what you say is true, and I don't think it is, then Clinton sold out the country, in two ways. Along with Congress.
     
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    The capitalist makes a higher return when his labor costs are lower.

    Does the OP know anything about Nike's South Korean and Vietnam manufacturing plants?

    Does the OP know where most of the goods sold in Walmart are made?

    Does the OP know where iPads are made?

    The story of post-Reagan capitalism, is the story of how business bypassed American workers for sweatshop labor.

    The biggest threat to capitalism is when a thriving, freedom-hungry middle class springs-up along one of its supply chains.

    Capitalism doesn't want a powerful middle class which demands higher wages. It wants cheap labor so it can provide investors with higher returns. It wants labor markets in dictator run countries where workers are so downtrodden and oppressed that they will accept pennies an hour. This is how the capitalist makes massive profits: by making his products at lower costs.

    During the postwar years, capital investment was tied to American labor markets. The capitalist had to pay fair, first world labor costs (and they fucking hated it because paying the labor costs associated with a thriving middle class resulted in lower short term profits). Capitalism favors freedom-hating dictator run nations because those nations oppress their labor markets and deliver cheaper labor costs. Cheaper labor costs = higher returns. (Don't let anyone tell you that capitalism wants freedom for the masses. Capitalism wants one thing: a higher return on investment. And capitalism gets those higher returns from freedom-hating sweatshop nations)

    During the liberal postwar years there was a compact between capital and labor. The result was higher wages for hard working Americans. The result was that hard working American families would make more of the profit that was made off their backs. Because of this compact - because of higher wages/benefits - American workers had more money with which to consume. This gave the capitalist an incentive to add even more jobs in order to capture all that consumption money. It was the golden era of American capitalism when the father could support the family on just his wages. This allowed the mother to stay home and raise the kids.

    Problem is: capital didn't like paying American wages. Capital wants to profit from the infrastructure of this country, but they don't want to give anything back; they don't want to make the country stronger by employing Americans. Why? Because Nike makes more money when its sneaks are made for pennies a day in South Korea and Vietnam. Nike makes less profit when their sneaks are made by "first world" labor markets.

    So Nike, Apple, Target, Walmart (etc., etc.) get their manufacturing labor from freedom-hating sweatshop nations, and - consequently - Americans lose more and more jobs.

    We got fucking punk's by the Reagan Revolution, of which Bill Clinton was a foot soldier. We were told by Reagan that if we gave the capitalists what he wants; if you give him the ability to make higher profits by all possible means, than great jobs would trickle down. The exact opposite happened. We gave the capitalist mobility to seek massive returns by employing sweatshop labor, and the result has been a steady loss of American jobs. This is why the Bush tax cuts didn't lead to any job growth. Remember the jobless recovery under Bush, or the current jobless recover under Obama? Why is this the case? Because the jobs are fucking gone. The capitalist now gets over 90% his products made from China, Taiwan, South Korea, Vietnam, Grenada, Honduras, Jordan, etc. Read the fucking labels on your clothes.

    We swallowed poison in 1980. We gave capital cheap labor so it could make higher returns and the only thing that trickled down was credit cards so that Americans could go into debt buying things made in other countries.

    Again: we swallowed poison in 1980.
     
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    Pretty amazing how you trun what Clinton did back on Reagan.
     
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    The low wages paid in South Korea and Viet Nam are only low wages compared to ours. In those countries low wages are a pretty good living. Low wages is what enabled India to raise its standard of living to the point where the people are getting much more than low wages today.

    I don't have a problem with people making a living wage, in the country they live in. Do you?
     
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    No, I don''t. But the OP was about slave labor, not what you are talking about.
     

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