Halal supermarket - Sell Alcohol & Pork or Face Closure

[Tilly]

Seems they are not catering to all the locals and it is a local authority owned premises and the store breaches French Republican principles, so fairy nuff.

Sell alcohol and pork or we will shut you down, French town tells halal supermarket

A halal supermarket in a Paris suburb has been told it must sell pork and alcoholCREDIT: PHILIPPE HUGUEN/AFP/GETTY

• Rory Mulholland, paris

4 AUGUST 2016 • 7:03PM


Ahalal supermarket in a Paris suburb has been told by local authorities it must start selling alcohol and pork or else it will be shut down.

Good Price discount mini-market in Colombes has been told by the local housing authority, from which it rents its premises, that it has not followed the conditions on the lease that stipulate that the shop must act as a "general food store."

The authority argues that all members of the local community are not being served properly if there are no alcohol or pork products in the Good Price store, which is run as a franchise and which last year replaced another small supermarket.

“The mayor of Colombes, Nicole Goueta, went there herself and asked the owner to diversify the range of products by adding alcohol and non-halal meats,” the mayor’s chief of staff, Jérôme Besnard, told The Telegraph.

He said locals, particularly older residents, had complained that they could no longer get the full range of products at Good Price, which replaced a regular supermarket, and had to travel some distance now to do their shopping.

“We want a social mix. We don’t want any area that is only Muslim or any area where there are no Muslims,” Mr Besnard said, adding that the town’s reaction would have been the same had a kosher shop opened on that spot.

The Colombes housing authority argues that the store breaches French republican principles by prioritising a certain group within society rather than catering to all categories.

It has taken legal action to bring an end to the lease which would normally run until 2019. The case goes to court in October....

Sell alcohol and pork or we will shut you down, French town tells halal supermarket

 

[Pogo]

What a crock. I hope the store prevails, that's bullshit. And the idea that being Halal somehow means it's "restricted to Muslims" is preposterous. I went to a halal grocery last week and I certainly didn't have to become a Muslim. I also didn't go there to buy alcohol or pork, for the same reason I don't go to a car parts store to by lettuce.

Wonder what their attitude would be on selling cigarettes.

 

[Uncensored2008]

What a crock. I hope the store prevails, that's bullshit.

Wonder what their attitude would be on selling cigarettes.

Or Wedding Cakes.

You fucking hypocrite.

 

[Pogo]

What a crock. I hope the store prevails, that's bullshit. And the idea that being Halal somehow means it's "restricted to Muslims" is preposterous. I went to a halal grocery last week and I certainly didn't have to become a Muslim. I also didn't go there to buy alcohol or pork, for the same reason I don't go to a car parts store to by lettuce.

Wonder what their attitude would be on selling cigarettes.

Or Wedding Cakes.

You fucking hypocrite.

How is that fucking hypocrisy, Pot Head? Explain yourself. And don't just beg stupidity this time.

 

[Uncensored2008]

How is that fucking hypocrisy, Pot Head? Explain yourself. And don't just beg stupidity this time.

Yeah, forcing those hated Christians to bake cakes for lesbians is really good, but forcing a beloved Muslim to sell pork is really bad...

 

[Pogo]

How is that fucking hypocrisy, Pot Head? Explain yourself. And don't just beg stupidity this time.

Yeah, forcing those hated Christians to bake cakes for lesbians is really good, but forcing a beloved Muslim to sell pork is really bad...

You morons keep falling straight into the same trap and yet never learn.

Very well -- here we go:

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I win again.

 

[Vastator]

Sounds like French authorities are making the right call. I hope it works out for the community as a whole.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

What a crock. I hope the store prevails, that's bullshit. And the idea that being Halal somehow means it's "restricted to Muslims" is preposterous. I went to a halal grocery last week and I certainly didn't have to become a Muslim. I also didn't go there to buy alcohol or pork, for the same reason I don't go to a car parts store to by lettuce.

Wonder what their attitude would be on selling cigarettes.

I buy halal and kosher on occasion. Does that make me a Pushme-Pullyu?

Of course, I don't think Christians should put gay messages on cakes either, if they don't want too.

 

[cnm]

What a crock. I hope the store prevails, that's bullshit.

How so? It is council property, it replaced a facility providing a general service. Seem reasonable arguments to me.

 

[Mortimer]

I'm not sure what to think of it, on one hand when you are in a muslim country you need to follow islamic law, they even forbid bibles and christian names, so the muslims here I dont want them to feel to comfortable with islamic law, but on the other hand there are the jews and they have kosher shops and they slaughter ritually too and they have stricter food laws then muslims, and no one complains about jews.

 

[ABikerSailor]

I'm not sure what to think of it, on one hand when you are in a muslim country you need to follow islamic law, they even forbid bibles and christian names, so the muslims here I dont want them to feel to comfortable with islamic law, but on the other hand there are the jews and they have kosher shops and they slaughter ritually too and they have stricter food laws then muslims, and no one complains about jews.

Hate to tell you Mortimer, but in kosher places you can find wine and beer, along with many different food items. Used to stop in a place in Norfolk called Uncle Louie's Deli every payday to buy some sausages, and other kinds of stuff they had there.

But then again, there was a regular supermarket right next to the deli too.

If there is only 1 market in the area, and they are franchised and in other areas too, well, that isn't so much a mom and pop store any longer.

 

[TheOldSchool]

If they violated the terms of a lease then they have to change or leave. If not, people are free to stop shopping there anytime they want.

 

[Tilly]

I'm not sure what to think of it, on one hand when you are in a muslim country you need to follow islamic law, they even forbid bibles and christian names, so the muslims here I dont want them to feel to comfortable with islamic law, but on the other hand there are the jews and they have kosher shops and they slaughter ritually too and they have stricter food laws then muslims, and no one complains about jews.

It seems until last year this was a general food store, now it has become halal. It also seems this is the only local food store, so it needs to serve all the community. Also, it is owned by the local authority who probably should not be seen to be endorsing a premises that only caters to some of the locals. The French LKE their pork and their wine. If the person renting the property wants to only serve some of the community, he can do that privately. BTW, not everyone agrees with eating halal either, so the area needs a store that caters to everyone.

 

[Pogo]

What a crock. I hope the store prevails, that's bullshit.

How so? It is council property, it replaced a facility providing a general service. Seem reasonable arguments to me.

Council property it may be -- it's not a council business. It would be one thing to order a business to NOT sell something --- guns, alcohol, pornography, drugs, tobacco --- this is an outside official entity trying to tell a business what TO DO. Yuge difference.

Suppose they decided the community needed a bar? A porno store? A brothel? No, I don't think the State gets to dictate how you choose to run your business to the point of forcing you to carry merchandise you're not there to carry. If the community thinks they're not getting enough wine or pork -- let somebody open a facility to do that.

Suppose you opened a restaurant with the specific aim of catering (no pun intended) to vegetarians. Should the State (or landlord) -- who have nothing whatsoever to do with the running of your business -- be allowed to come stomping in and demand you serve dead cow?

 

[Mortimer]

I'm not sure what to think of it, on one hand when you are in a muslim country you need to follow islamic law, they even forbid bibles and christian names, so the muslims here I dont want them to feel to comfortable with islamic law, but on the other hand there are the jews and they have kosher shops and they slaughter ritually too and they have stricter food laws then muslims, and no one complains about jews.

Hate to tell you Mortimer, but in kosher places you can find wine and beer, along with many different food items. Used to stop in a place in Norfolk called Uncle Louie's Deli every payday to buy some sausages, and other kinds of stuff they had there.

But then again, there was a regular supermarket right next to the deli too.

If there is only 1 market in the area, and they are franchised and in other areas too, well, that isn't so much a mom and pop store any longer.

Wine and Beer is only kosher if it is prepared by a jew, so probably that wine you bought there was kosher that means prepared by a jew, if it is prepared by a gentile it is not kosher anymore. Jews have very strict food laws, they cannot mix milk and meat, they dont eat lobsters and other sea food, they dont eat all birds etc.

 

[Vastator]

What a crock. I hope the store prevails, that's bullshit.

How so? It is council property, it replaced a facility providing a general service. Seem reasonable arguments to me.

Council property it may be -- it's not a council business. It would be one thing to order a business to NOT sell something --- guns, alcohol, pornography, drugs, tobacco --- this is an outside official entity trying to tell a business what TO DO. Yuge difference.

Suppose they decided the community needed a bar? A porno store? A brothel? No, I don't think the State gets to dictate how you choose to run your business to the point of forcing you to carry merchandise you're not there to carry. If the community thinks they're not getting enough wine or pork -- let somebody open a facility to do that.

You do realize France isn't in the U.S... Don't you? They have different laws and rules there.

 

[Mortimer]

I'm not sure what to think of it, on one hand when you are in a muslim country you need to follow islamic law, they even forbid bibles and christian names, so the muslims here I dont want them to feel to comfortable with islamic law, but on the other hand there are the jews and they have kosher shops and they slaughter ritually too and they have stricter food laws then muslims, and no one complains about jews.

It seems until last year this was a general food store, now it has become halal. It also seems this is the only local food store, so it needs to serve all the community. Also, it is owned by the local authority who probably should not be seen to be endorsing a premises that only caters to some of the locals. The French LKE their pork and their wine. If the person renting the property wants to only serve some of the community, he can do that privately. BTW, not everyone agrees with eating halal either, so the area needs a store that caters to everyone.

Ok, agree. I didnt know it is owned by the local authority, they shouldn't have issued a licencse to the guy creating a halal store.

 

[Pogo]

What a crock. I hope the store prevails, that's bullshit.

How so? It is council property, it replaced a facility providing a general service. Seem reasonable arguments to me.

Council property it may be -- it's not a council business. It would be one thing to order a business to NOT sell something --- guns, alcohol, pornography, drugs, tobacco --- this is an outside official entity trying to tell a business what TO DO. Yuge difference.

Suppose they decided the community needed a bar? A porno store? A brothel? No, I don't think the State gets to dictate how you choose to run your business to the point of forcing you to carry merchandise you're not there to carry. If the community thinks they're not getting enough wine or pork -- let somebody open a facility to do that.

You do realize France isn't in the U.S... Don't you? They have different laws and rules there.

I know. I used to live there. But we're not talking about what the law is; we're talking about what ethical is.

I have yet to hear an explanation of how it "breaches French Republican principles" to *NOT* do something. I didn't eat pork the entire time I lived in France; was I "breaching French Republican principles"?

I did have horse though. I don't recommend it.

 

[Mortimer]

What a crock. I hope the store prevails, that's bullshit.

How so? It is council property, it replaced a facility providing a general service. Seem reasonable arguments to me.

Council property it may be -- it's not a council business. It would be one thing to order a business to NOT sell something --- guns, alcohol, pornography, drugs, tobacco --- this is an outside official entity trying to tell a business what TO DO. Yuge difference.

Suppose they decided the community needed a bar? A porno store? A brothel? No, I don't think the State gets to dictate how you choose to run your business to the point of forcing you to carry merchandise you're not there to carry. If the community thinks they're not getting enough wine or pork -- let somebody open a facility to do that.

You do realize France isn't in the U.S... Don't you? They have different laws and rules there.

I know. I used to live there. But we're not talking about what the law is; we're talking about what ethical is.

If it's owned by the authority they should have rented to a guy creating a general food store for all the community. If a guy wants to sell halal he should do it on private property. I would be pissed if my food store became halal overnight and i cant buy my food there anymore.

 

[Pogo]

What a crock. I hope the store prevails, that's bullshit.

How so? It is council property, it replaced a facility providing a general service. Seem reasonable arguments to me.

Council property it may be -- it's not a council business. It would be one thing to order a business to NOT sell something --- guns, alcohol, pornography, drugs, tobacco --- this is an outside official entity trying to tell a business what TO DO. Yuge difference.

Suppose they decided the community needed a bar? A porno store? A brothel? No, I don't think the State gets to dictate how you choose to run your business to the point of forcing you to carry merchandise you're not there to carry. If the community thinks they're not getting enough wine or pork -- let somebody open a facility to do that.

You do realize France isn't in the U.S... Don't you? They have different laws and rules there.

I know. I used to live there. But we're not talking about what the law is; we're talking about what ethical is.

If it's owned by the authority they should have rented to a guy creating a general food store for all the community. If a guy wants to sell halal he should do it on private property. I would be pissed if my food store became halal overnight and i cant buy my food there anymore.

Who said it did?
I read the OP suggesting that but she provided no evidence. Pure speculation.

Edit -- went back to read the article closely, which says that this store replaced another one from the past that was not halal.

It also says this:

>> Good Price discount mini-market in Colombes has been told by the local housing authority, from which it rents its premises, that it has not followed the conditions on the lease that stipulate that the shop must act as a "general food store."

The authority argues that all members of the local community are not being served properly if there are no alcohol or pork products in the Good Price store, which is run as a franchise and which last year replaced another small supermarket. <<​

The question then becomes what defines "general food"? If the store offers a variety of food products as opposed to a specific (like a wine store), is not its merchandise "general"?

And the second question is -- who determines what the community's needs are? If everybody has what they want but there's this one eccentric on the fringe who insists that he has to have squid, must the store carry squid, just because he wants it?

I like Thai food myself. Should I go to my town and complain that the local Chinese take out joint isn't serving my needs? Or should I just put on my big boy pants and go to where a Thai restaurant already exists, or make it myself at home?