Haiti Earthquake: Disaster at a Disaster

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    In the 1700’s what is now Haiti was called the “Jewel of the Caribbean,” and supplied about 40% of the world’s sugar.

    In 1791 the government of France passed legislation to phase out slavery in it’s Caribbean colonies and grant the former Negro slaves citizenship. Rather than becoming citizens, Haiti’s Negro population mass murdered all whites and Mulattoes who could not flee the Island in time. In 1804 only full blooded Negros remained and Haiti became the first Negro ruled nation. The Haitian revolution dominated America’s debate over slavery. While both the north and the south agreed that slavery should be ended, southerners and a large percentage of northerners universally opposed having a large population of freed slaves living in their midst. The Haitian “Revolution” was fresh in everyone’s mind.

    Flash forward to 1915. The “Jewel of the Caribbean” is now a desolate cesspool, that is exporting almost no sugar. The United States decides to “take up the white man’s burden” and send the US Marine Corps to rebuild Haiti’s infrastructure and feed it’s starving population.

    The United States gave huge amounts of money to Haiti and oversaw the building of 1,000 miles of road, telephone lines, modernized it’s port, and helped Haiti to start exporting sugar once again. The US also put an end to the thousands of bandits along Haiti’s border with the Dominican Republic. The US left in 1934 at the request of the then stabilized and very ungrateful Haitian government.

    Haiti immediately sank straight back into total desolation strife. In 1973 the United State once again began playing a huge role in Haiti, giving the Island huge sums of money in handouts each year.

    In 1994 the Clinton administration once again sent the US military to Haiti to rebuild the Island’s infrastructure.

    In 1995 the Peace Corps went to Haiti in large numbers to train the Haitians in job skills. The US government spent almost one Billion providing food and job training to the Haitians between 95 and 99.

    So when Obama says that Haiti has our “full, unwavering, support,” they have already had our full support since 1915.
     
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    And the alternative to helping them is to let them die?

    In a case like this, I'd rather see us have no money then turn our backs on helpless people.
     
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    Did they?

    I'd like to know more about that since I can't find comfirmation of that claim.

    Can you direct me to your source of this revelation, please?
     
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    Yes and no. It's a bullshit spin certain individuals try to put on my people's revolution. Yes, the French Revolution brought about the new issue of abolition, however that fight was on the French mainland. This ignorant picture this fool is trying to paint that the good old well meaning plantation owners in the French colonies wanted to free their slaves "slowly but surely". The whites of Saint Domingue (d'Haiti) threatened to wage war against France over the issue of slavery.

    It would be somewhat be the equivelant of a black revolution taking place in Alabama during the civil war against the white plantation owners. Mainland France simply flirted with the issue and the colonies weren't having it. The original poster is an idiot.

    Haitian Revolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    French Slavery
     
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    And even if the OP's information was completely true, which it obviously isn't, I can't say I would blame anyone for killing a bunch of people that ENSLAVED THEM AND EVERYONE THEY KNEW for their entire lives.

    Personally if my family and friends were all enslaved by a bunch of Frenchmen for decades, I might want to go kill some people myself. Maybe that's just me though.

    I imagine the original poster thought that the enslaved people of Haiti should have been grateful to their former captives for graciously finally letting them out of the captivity that they had imposed in the first place.

    Of course the "White Man's Burden" comment shows us what kind of person wrote the OP in the first place anyway.
     
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    You're a complete and utter idiot and a liar at that. First of all ONLY wealthy mulatto's were offered citizenship in the French Republic. When they were offered this, white plantation owners became furious and made every attempt to supress them in order to keep them from successfully abolishing slavery. In matter of fact the Mulatto population were the FIRST to rebel against the white plantation owners and led and began the Haitian revolution.
    The Haitian Revolution
    Mulattoes were not "killed off" at all, they faught alongside and with the black Haitians and still exist in d'Haiti today. They make up anywhere from 5 to 7 percent of the population.

    While I don't pretend that the civil war in America was over slavery, you must think we're all idiots if you want us to believe that southern plantation owners wanted to loose their best source of income.

    First of all the United States went into d'Haiti in 1915 to save it's own business interests after Jean Guillaume Sam was ousted from power that February.

    Second, immediately after the revolution d'Haiti fell into enormous debt to France, as the nation demanded that they be paid "retribution" for their loss of slave labor (so much for the good ol' white man huh?).External debt of Haiti - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    This debt helped choke the economic life out of d'Haiti immediately. As well, between the Haitian revolution and 1915 the majority of turmoil existed between rival classes of wealthy MULLATOS (who you falsely claim were killed off :cuckoo:). Wealthy Mulatto families often had outside support from either France, Britain, Germany, or Spain, and then later the United States, Cuba, and Russia. With all seven nations having pouring money into various classes of wealthy Mulatto's these elite groups became RICHER while many of the poor masses in d'Haiti became poorer. The seven nations supporting various groups in d'Haiti played them against each other and d'Haiti became a political battle ground, especially during WWI.

    The US did not just come and give support to the Haitians, it was a full blown occupation in which the US government gave itself full veto control over d'Haiti's legitimate government. This occupation could not continue because if it had d'Haiti would simply become a US colony. In addition new problems with the US occupation arose. The Haitian elite was morbidly opposed to segregation in the Southern US and had been working with the NAACP since 1910. Segregationalist policies were also being enforced in much of Port-au-Prince under the US. The US came and "reformed" the French based educational system which was favored by the elected officials in Haiti.

    This caused the break down of much of the educational system simply because there were not enough trained educators in d'Haiti to teach the US based system. While good things DID occur during the occupation it wasn't all "good ol' white man helping out the negroes".
     
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    That and that they should be "grateful" that the white man was "kind" enough to take them out of the disease ridden jungles of Africa where they were swinging in trees and bring them into "civilization"... all they had to do was do a few chores.:lol: Racism is sickening.
     
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