H-1B Visas Take American Jobs

People in the country on temporary work visas are not illegal aliens and are not distorting the labor market. This is competition and I trust the American worker to excel in and by such competition.

How is an American supposed to compete with a foeign worker is going to return home with his saved money and has no inclination to raise a family and retire in this country?

These guys make less than half their American counterparts, judging from the ones I've met and that has been quite a few.
 
No fiction.reality.we dont tolerate it here in ga.

A few years ago, when Congress was being stupid and threatening to hold up passage of new H1s, Microsoft threatened to move much of their operations to Canada.

Many companies are reliant on H visas. Banning them will cause companies to move out of America and lead to job losses.

Good them run the bastards out.

They want to enjoy all the perks of basing in this country but not share the wealth by hiring Americans.

If they cant compete without using indentured labor then fuck them.
 
We must not make US located companies hire US workers!
so you want to government to mandate the private companies be run a certain way????

THAT SOCIALIST!!!! :lol:

No its not. It is called 'regulation'.

That you cant see any shades of grey between socialism and economic chaos on the other speaks to your lack of intelligence.
no it proves my point, that the right wants things to be done their way only, even if that is by force. so why they rant about Obama being a socialist its being hypocritical. but i guess sarcasm goes over your head

when the right can admit that they actually want socialist ideals, but that they are just their own version of socialism we can talk.

wanna try that failed insult again?
 
No fiction.reality.we dont tolerate it here in ga.

A few years ago, when Congress was being stupid and threatening to hold up passage of new H1s, Microsoft threatened to move much of their operations to Canada.

Many companies are reliant on H visas. Banning them will cause companies to move out of America and lead to job losses.

Good them run the bastards out.

They want to enjoy all the perks of basing in this country but not share the wealth by hiring Americans.

If they cant compete without using indentured labor then fuck them.
your argument wouldnt be a giant failure if you actually realized that they rest of the world graduates the lion's share of engineers. since americans such as yourself dont value education, including math and science, corporations are forced to look overseas for top talent.

The Engineer Shortage Debate
"A strong US needs more engineers -- Paul Otellini, president and chief executive of Intel Corp. and is a member of the President's Council on Jobs and Competitiveness.
A chronic shortage of engineering students threatens America's role as the world's leading innovator and continues to impede our nation's fragile economic recovery. Over the past 20 years, the percentage of engineers graduating in the United States has stagnated, while India and China surpass us with rapid progress"

American Society of Safety Engineers
Today, the SH&E profession finds itself confronting the same issues it did in the mid-1970s. Like many other professions in the U.S., SH&E could soon be facing a shortage of qualified individuals entering the workplace.

just because someone has an engineering degree doesnt necessarily mean they are qualified.

Wall Street claims that they have to pay huge bonuses in order to attract top talent. well engineering companies want top talent as well. if that top talent is not available domestically, then you go abroad. but then again thats the free market at work.

hows the 3rd grade education working out for you?
 
We must not make US located companies hire US workers!
so you want to government to mandate the private companies be run a certain way????

THAT SOCIALIST!!!! :lol:

Ron Paul and much of the right believes industry will regulate itself for the betterment of our country.
how did the self regulation of the derivatives market work out for wall street? how did the self regulation of the mortgage industry work out for them?

oops guess the right forgot about those
 
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A few years ago, when Congress was being stupid and threatening to hold up passage of new H1s, Microsoft threatened to move much of their operations to Canada.

Many companies are reliant on H visas. Banning them will cause companies to move out of America and lead to job losses.

Good them run the bastards out.

They want to enjoy all the perks of basing in this country but not share the wealth by hiring Americans.

If they cant compete without using indentured labor then fuck them.
your argument wouldnt be a giant failure if you actually realized that they rest of the world graduates the lion's share of engineers. since americans such as yourself dont value education, including math and science, corporations are forced to look overseas for top talent.

The Engineer Shortage Debate
"A strong US needs more engineers -- Paul Otellini, president and chief executive of Intel Corp. and is a member of the President's Council on Jobs and Competitiveness.
A chronic shortage of engineering students threatens America's role as the world's leading innovator and continues to impede our nation's fragile economic recovery. Over the past 20 years, the percentage of engineers graduating in the United States has stagnated, while India and China surpass us with rapid progress"

American Society of Safety Engineers
Today, the SH&E profession finds itself confronting the same issues it did in the mid-1970s. Like many other professions in the U.S., SH&E could soon be facing a shortage of qualified individuals entering the workplace.

just because someone has an engineering degree doesnt necessarily mean they are qualified.

Wall Street claims that they have to pay huge bonuses in order to attract top talent. well engineering companies want top talent as well. if that top talent is not available domestically, then you go abroad. but then again thats the free market at work.

hows the 3rd grade education working out for you?

the can't compete part is all about wages and compensation.
We are to compete with lower wages in other countries and lower our lifestyle to keep industries here?
 
so you want to government to mandate the private companies be run a certain way????

THAT SOCIALIST!!!! :lol:

Ron Paul and much of the right believes industry will regulate itself for the betterment of our country.
how did the self regulation of the derivatives market work out for wall street?

Actually worked out well for them, some got to gobble up some competition and they got bailed out with our tax dollars thus externalizing those costs.
All part of the right wing long term plan.
And their followers on the right still believe the myth.
 
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so you want to government to mandate the private companies be run a certain way????

THAT SOCIALIST!!!! :lol:

No its not. It is called 'regulation'.

That you cant see any shades of grey between socialism and economic chaos on the other speaks to your lack of intelligence.
no it proves my point,

That you cant see shades of grey proves your point? lol, well that was MY point tooo; you are dull.

that the right wants things to be done their way only, even if that is by force.

Ummm, you mean just like the Dems do too?

Both parties are working for the BANKS, dude.

so why they rant about Obama being a socialist its being hypocritical.


Hypocrisy in politics is like excessive speed at the Indianapolis speedway.

but i guess sarcasm goes over your head

True, it often does.

when the right can admit that they actually want socialist ideals, but that they are just their own version of socialism we can talk.

Not being part of the 'right' I can say whatever I want, and that would be 'Go piss yourself'.

wanna try that failed insult again?

Why? Like any insult I throw at you wouldnt be already used by someone else in the beltway anyway?
 
People in the country on temporary work visas are not illegal aliens and are not distorting the labor market. This is competition and I trust the American worker to excel in and by such competition.

How is an American supposed to compete with a foeign worker is going to return home with his saved money and has no inclination to raise a family and retire in this country?

These guys make less than half their American counterparts, judging from the ones I've met and that has been quite a few.


It seems you don't think very highly of American workers. I think American workers can compete with anyone in a fair, legal labor market.
 
No fiction.reality.we dont tolerate it here in ga.

A few years ago, when Congress was being stupid and threatening to hold up passage of new H1s, Microsoft threatened to move much of their operations to Canada.

Many companies are reliant on H visas. Banning them will cause companies to move out of America and lead to job losses.

Good them run the bastards out.

They want to enjoy all the perks of basing in this country but not share the wealth by hiring Americans.

If they cant compete without using indentured labor then fuck them.

They hire many Americans. However, they also rely on the talents of foreigners because they want the best. Silicon Valley for example is highly dependent on foreign talent. Many of the foreigners on H visas get Green Cards and become citizens.
 
A few years ago, when Congress was being stupid and threatening to hold up passage of new H1s, Microsoft threatened to move much of their operations to Canada.

Many companies are reliant on H visas. Banning them will cause companies to move out of America and lead to job losses.

Good them run the bastards out.

They want to enjoy all the perks of basing in this country but not share the wealth by hiring Americans.

If they cant compete without using indentured labor then fuck them.

They hire many Americans. However, they also rely on the talents of foreigners because they want the best. Silicon Valley for example is highly dependent on foreign talent. Many of the foreigners on H visas get Green Cards and become citizens.

Bullshit.

They hire H1-Bs because they are cheaper and more compliant.
 

No, not fiction.

And this sitty ass economy is in part the direct result of displacing Americans from middle class paying jobs and replacing them with foreign indentured servants.

H1-B's cannot change jobs because by the time the paperwork can go through the company hiring him would fire him as soon as the paperwork got to them and the ICE would have him deported.

I worked with a lot of foreign H1-Bs prior to 2000 when the Y2K 'crisis' had the whole IT engineering industry in a massive hiring binge. Those guys even then could not change jobs and I heard that from them all the time. I knew many Indians from Hyderabad who had babies and toddlers they couldnt get health care for since the company they worked for would not give them insurance and they did not make enough to buy it themselves. They despeately wanted to change jobs but they were stuck.

And these companies that bring the H1-B's over here are notorious for using fraudulent resumes for these people, and often times work with the company planning to hire the H1-B to tailor the job description to the H1-Bs resume so they can justify passing over the more expensive American citizen.

That you respond with an unsupported statement shows the evidence to back up your claims to be irrelevant or nonexistant. Else, why not go into a little detail?

I had an H visa. I am now applying for citizenship. I generated $80 million for my American organization on my H that an American almost certainly would not have. I know the lawyer who did my legal work well, and he worked extensively with companies filing H visas. Our organization has hired others on H visas. None of them were fraudulent.

I can't speak to the resumes but I can speak to the job tailoring. Blame the Congress for that one. That occurs because the company wants a specific individual, so they tailor the job to that individual's resume.

It was once estimated that a third of all new startups in Silicon Valley were started by foreigners. These companies benefit Americans by providing jobs, economic activity and innovation. Americans need to make it easier for talented foreigners to come work in this country, not harder. In this globalized world, where talent can go to wherever they are most welcomed and appreciated, that has never been more true than now.
 
Good them run the bastards out.

They want to enjoy all the perks of basing in this country but not share the wealth by hiring Americans.

If they cant compete without using indentured labor then fuck them.

They hire many Americans. However, they also rely on the talents of foreigners because they want the best. Silicon Valley for example is highly dependent on foreign talent. Many of the foreigners on H visas get Green Cards and become citizens.

Bullshit.

They hire H1-Bs because they are cheaper and more compliant.

You have to pay within 95% of the prevailing wage to hire an H. You can also change jobs on an H, though it is more cumbersome.
 
They hire many Americans. However, they also rely on the talents of foreigners because they want the best. Silicon Valley for example is highly dependent on foreign talent. Many of the foreigners on H visas get Green Cards and become citizens.

Bullshit.

They hire H1-Bs because they are cheaper and more compliant.

You have to pay within 95% of the prevailing wage to hire an H. You can also change jobs on an H, though it is more cumbersome.

Riiiight.

I worked for a company that actively recruited in countries like Brazil for their H1-Bs. You can get around that little "95%" thingie by pulling a "Walmart". Like assigning tasks with deadlines but making sure that employees know that they will not be paid overtime. That way they do things like take the work home with them.

I worked in the same industry as you..only I really did work in IT.
 
Bullshit.

They hire H1-Bs because they are cheaper and more compliant.

You have to pay within 95% of the prevailing wage to hire an H. You can also change jobs on an H, though it is more cumbersome.

Riiiight.

I worked for a company that actively recruited in countries like Brazil for their H1-Bs. You can get around that little "95%" thingie by pulling a "Walmart". Like assigning tasks with deadlines but making sure that employees know that they will not be paid overtime. That way they do things like take the work home with them.

I worked in the same industry as you..only I really did work in IT.

I now run the department.

A friend of mine whom I grew up with in a small town in Canada started his first job in Silicon Valley illegally. He was hired by a very well known company, but they needed him now and couldn't wait for the paperwork. So they set something up outside of the whole system that allowed him to work in the US. He didn't come into the US illegally, but they represented him as still living in Canada, which he wasn't. He later got a TN, then an H, then a Green Card and I believe he is now a citizen. He has an American wife, two American kids, and has his own company that employs 30, and I think every one is American. He could have just as easily set his company up in Canada, which would have deprived America of the economic benefits he has created.

American companies will go to the location of the talent. It's better that the talent is in America than abroad.
 
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