GWB turns out was a pretty good President

[JRK]

AIG pays us back. The forst 50% of tarp saved the economy
His leadership post 9-11 prevented a more serious economic collapse than we had
Saddam, gone
UBL, gone (thanks to water boarding in 2006 as well as Navy seals/CIA)
His tax rate will be in place for 99% of us
Sarbanes Oxley, huge success
His medicare plan was under funded, but also a huge success
was within 163 billion of a balanced budget, 2007
Numerous bi partisan legislation events such as No Child left behind, removing Saddam, Etc...
Budgets through 2008 (BHO signed the 09 budget 3/2009, called the Omnibus bill

Now how is BHO doing?
no jobs
huge debt
Obama care in which some of his own now want out of some

It is not even close people

while some individuals are not receptive to either hypnosis or brainwash others are readily amenable to externally induced trance state and/or methodically indoctrinated ideas and beliefs. Those who are most receptive to externally induced states of mind should be awakened to conscious reality in carefully gradual stages or there is some risk of shock-induced mental trauma.

For that reason I respectfully recommend you avoid exposure to legitimate academic examinations of the deceptive process which prompted the unnecessary and unlawful invasion of Iraq and the deliberately profligate spending that led to the near collapse of the U.S. Economy. Because a rapid overload of irrefutable facts could be harmful to you.

Keep believing what you now believe. But if you ever decide to learn the truth you should go about it very slowly. A little at a time.

See the difference with you and I is the truth
Iraq was 100% legal as voted on in congress
GWB had little to do with the collapse as did BHO, Pelosi or reid
Greed at the level those events took place is not the presidents place to stop. Laws are in place to have prevented those events

GWB added 2.5 trillion to the debt prior to 2009
he added about 800 billion in 2009 as did the Dem party
from the post

What’s driving Obama’s unprecedented massive deficits? Spending. Riedl details:
President Bush expanded the federal budget by a historic $700 billion through 2008. President Obama would add another $1 trillion.
President Bush began a string of expensive finan*cial bailouts. President Obama is accelerating that course.
President Bush created a Medicare drug entitle*ment that will cost an estimated $800 billion in its first decade. President Obama has proposed a $634 billion down payment on a new govern*ment health care fund.
President Bush increased federal education spending 58 percent faster than inflation. Presi*dent Obama would double it.
President Bush became the first President to spend 3 percent of GDP on federal antipoverty programs. President Obama has already in*creased this spending by 20 percent.
President Bush tilted the income tax burden more toward upper-income taxpayers. President Obama would continue that trend.
President Bush presided over a $2.5 trillion increase in the public debt through 2008. Setting aside 2009 (for which Presidents Bush and Obama share responsibility for an additional $2.6 trillion in public debt), President Obama’s budget would add $4.9 trillion in public debt from the beginning of 2010 through 2016.
UPDATE: Many Obama defenders in the comments are claiming that the numbers above do not include spending on Iraq and Afghanistan during the Bush years. They most certainly do. While Bush did fund the wars through emergency supplementals (not the regular budget process), that spending did not simply vanish. It is included in the numbers above. Also, some Obama defenders are claiming the graphic above represents biased Heritage Foundation numbers. While we stand behind the numbers we put out 100%, the numbers, and the graphic itself, above are from the Washington Post. We originally left out the link to WaPo. It has now been added.
CLARIFICATION: Of course, this Washington Post graphic does not perfectly delineate budget surpluses and deficits by administration. President Bush took office in January 2001, and therefore played a lead role in crafting the FY 2002-2008 budgets. Presidents Bush and Obama share responsibility for the FY 2009 budget deficit that overlaps their administrations, before President Obama assumes full budgetary responsibility beginning in FY 2010. Overall, President Obama’s budget would add twice as much debt as President Bush over the same number of years.

 

[MikeK]

does not matter.....they were not found when they should have been found....

After everything that's been said about them, if they really were found, this is the first thing you'd see the next day...

 

[mjollnir]

AIG pays us back. The forst 50% of tarp saved the economy
His leadership post 9-11 prevented a more serious economic collapse than we had
Saddam, gone
UBL, gone (thanks to water boarding in 2006 as well as Navy seals/CIA)
His tax rate will be in place for 99% of us
Sarbanes Oxley, huge success
His medicare plan was under funded, but also a huge success
was within 163 billion of a balanced budget, 2007
Numerous bi partisan legislation events such as No Child left behind, removing Saddam, Etc...
Budgets through 2008 (BHO signed the 09 budget 3/2009, called the Omnibus bill

Now how is BHO doing?
no jobs
huge debt
Obama care in which some of his own now want out of some

It is not even close people

while some individuals are not receptive to either hypnosis or brainwash others are readily amenable to externally induced trance state and/or methodically indoctrinated ideas and beliefs. Those who are most receptive to externally induced states of mind should be awakened to conscious reality in carefully gradual stages or there is some risk of shock-induced mental trauma.

For that reason I respectfully recommend you avoid exposure to legitimate academic examinations of the deceptive process which prompted the unnecessary and unlawful invasion of Iraq and the deliberately profligate spending that led to the near collapse of the U.S. Economy. Because a rapid overload of irrefutable facts could be harmful to you.

Keep believing what you now believe. But if you ever decide to learn the truth you should go about it very slowly. A little at a time.

See the difference with you and I is the truth
Iraq was 100% legal as voted on in congress
GWB had little to do with the collapse as did BHO, Pelosi or reid
Greed at the level those events took place is not the presidents place to stop. Laws are in place to have prevented those events

GWB added 2.5 trillion to the debt prior to 2009
he added about 800 billion in 2009 as did the Dem party
from the post

What’s driving Obama’s unprecedented massive deficits? Spending. Riedl details:
President Bush expanded the federal budget by a historic $700 billion through 2008. President Obama would add another $1 trillion.
President Bush began a string of expensive finan*cial bailouts. President Obama is accelerating that course.
President Bush created a Medicare drug entitle*ment that will cost an estimated $800 billion in its first decade. President Obama has proposed a $634 billion down payment on a new govern*ment health care fund.
President Bush increased federal education spending 58 percent faster than inflation. Presi*dent Obama would double it.
President Bush became the first President to spend 3 percent of GDP on federal antipoverty programs. President Obama has already in*creased this spending by 20 percent.
President Bush tilted the income tax burden more toward upper-income taxpayers. President Obama would continue that trend.
President Bush presided over a $2.5 trillion increase in the public debt through 2008. Setting aside 2009 (for which Presidents Bush and Obama share responsibility for an additional $2.6 trillion in public debt), President Obama’s budget would add $4.9 trillion in public debt from the beginning of 2010 through 2016.
UPDATE: Many Obama defenders in the comments are claiming that the numbers above do not include spending on Iraq and Afghanistan during the Bush years. They most certainly do. While Bush did fund the wars through emergency supplementals (not the regular budget process), that spending did not simply vanish. It is included in the numbers above. Also, some Obama defenders are claiming the graphic above represents biased Heritage Foundation numbers. While we stand behind the numbers we put out 100%, the numbers, and the graphic itself, above are from the Washington Post. We originally left out the link to WaPo. It has now been added.
CLARIFICATION: Of course, this Washington Post graphic does not perfectly delineate budget surpluses and deficits by administration. President Bush took office in January 2001, and therefore played a lead role in crafting the FY 2002-2008 budgets. Presidents Bush and Obama share responsibility for the FY 2009 budget deficit that overlaps their administrations, before President Obama assumes full budgetary responsibility beginning in FY 2010. Overall, President Obama’s budget would add twice as much debt as President Bush over the same number of years.

 

[JRK]

does not matter.....they were not found when they should have been found....

never understood why GWB got the blame for any of that to start with
Saddam's own people stated he had shipped weapons to Syria
and
GWB did not run the CIA, Much of that came from Cinton's people

I have no issue with anyones opinion with Iraq and the war
I do have an issue with people ignoring the fact Al Qaeda was in Iraq before we invaded and that alone was reason enough to remove Saddam as well as invade Iraq
The bottom line is and always will be Saddam is the reason for that war

he had 10 years to do the right thing(s)
Al Qaeda was also setting up camp there, they had no where else to go

Okay.

Keep believing all that. But, as previously advised, if you ever decide to look more closely at the facts -- do so very slowly. Because the effect of learning too much too soon can be analogous to getting the "bends" from ascending too quickly from the depths.

And, believe me, you are deep.

And where is your rebuttle to the facts I have shared with you?
The WMDs as the CIA stated where never found
I have never made any other claim other than what was found

And where is written that GWB was responsible for the intel that stated such?
He had the same intel that Hillary Clinton had

What else is there to debate?
can you share with us one piece of legislation that stated banks where to loan wealth to people who could not pay it back?

And if i am in deep, what does that make those who voted for BHO the second time?

We had a deficit of 163 billion in 2007
1.5 trillion in 2009
more than 1 trillion year sense

We had 5% UE same
it has not been close sense, no jobs in the private sector

GWB saved (with tax payers wealth) every retirement plan within this country in 2008 from events he had nothing to do to create except Sarbanes Oxley (think about that for a minute)

You talk a good game, yet say nothing

You make it personal, all I have done is put forth accurate information

 

[regent]

In Bush's first rating by historians, he was rated fifth worst American president. The rating was based on 20 presidential characteristics, in one, economics, Bush was rated second worst president. As new presidents are added to the rating and new evidence comes to light the ratings might change but seldom by much. I would say that Bush will hold on to his bottom places for a long time.

 

[JRK]

In Bush's first rating by historians, he was rated fifth worst American president. The rating was based on 20 presidential characteristics, in one, economics, Bush was rated second worst president. As new presidents are added to the rating and new evidence comes to light the ratings might change but seldom by much. I would say that Bush will hold on to his bottom places for a long time.

and your link?
In addition what does this make BHO?
Carter?
FDR and his first 2 terms?

How many had 9-11?
7 major hurricanes?
2 recessions to overcome?
Nasdaq bubbles?
Wealth Bubble?

Any way be cool to see your link
ans again what does this make BHO?

 

[GoneBezerk]

obamination's bailout of GM/UAW.....oops, that is a major failure.
obamination's Arab Spring endeavors in Egypt and Libya....oops.
obamination tied Jimmy Carter's record for getting an Ambassador killed?
Solyndra?

Oh, he solved peace the middle east.....nope

Oh yeah, he took credit for what happened in Iraq after Bush implemented the withdraw....

 

[rightwinger]

Another funny jr. post praising President Bush.

President Bushes legacy will be two fold. First, Iraq. Including but not limited to invading a country that was not planning on attacking us, (nor could have if they wanted to), did not represent a serious or immediate threat to us, did not have the WMD President Bush and hius people claimed, and getting thousands of US soldiers killed. His invasion and occupation is also responsible for an unknown number of innocent Iraqi civilians. Second he presided over the worst economic meltdown since 1929.

President Obama's is still being written.

He will also be known as the only president to openly engage in TORTURE

 

[JRK]

obamination's bailout of GM/UAW.....oops, that is a major failure.
obamination's Arab Spring endeavors in Egypt and Libya....oops.
obamination tied Jimmy Carter's record for getting an Ambassador killed?
Solyndra?

Oh, he solved peace the middle east.....nope

Oh yeah, he took credit for what happened in Iraq after Bush implemented the withdraw....

It amazes me the spin that has been put on the last 12 years
If GWB has a Benghazi and then covers it up as obvious as the BHO admin did he would have been impeached
through all of the events that he was dealt with, he still created millions of jobs
wealth for 90 months and very close to a balanced budget by 2007

The war In Iraq was an evil we had to face
weapons?
Al Qaeda?
Saddam lying
we had no choice after 9-11 and every-one seen it. Without Al Qaeda/Iran/Pakistan and others it was over in months

 

[Mustang]

AIG pays us back. The forst 50% of tarp saved the economy
His leadership post 9-11 prevented a more serious economic collapse than we had
Saddam, gone
UBL, gone (thanks to water boarding in 2006 as well as Navy seals/CIA)
His tax rate will be in place for 99% of us
Sarbanes Oxley, huge success
His medicare plan was under funded, but also a huge success
was within 163 billion of a balanced budget, 2007
Numerous bi partisan legislation events such as No Child left behind, removing Saddam, Etc...
Budgets through 2008 (BHO signed the 09 budget 3/2009, called the Omnibus bill

Now how is BHO doing?
no jobs
huge debt
Obama care in which some of his own now want out of some

It is not even close people

Stay away from those bath salts!

 

[JRK]

Another funny jr. post praising President Bush.

President Bushes legacy will be two fold. First, Iraq. Including but not limited to invading a country that was not planning on attacking us, (nor could have if they wanted to), did not represent a serious or immediate threat to us, did not have the WMD President Bush and hius people claimed, and getting thousands of US soldiers killed. His invasion and occupation is also responsible for an unknown number of innocent Iraqi civilians. Second he presided over the worst economic meltdown since 1929.

President Obama's is still being written.

He will also be known as the only president to openly engage in TORTURE

The "torture" got us UBL
The Iraq war? it was what 70% of the country wanted Saddam gone also
Again AL QAEDA WAS THERE BEFORE WE INVADED
Again HIS OWN PEOPLE STATED THE NEW WMDS WERE SHIPPED TO SYRIA
again THERE IS STILL 1000S OF MUNTIONS THAT SADDAM HAD MISSING (UN STATED, NOT CIA OR GWB)
the melt down? GWB stopped the melt down, he had nothing to do with creating it

It is just in how you look at it, OR SPIN IT

 

[GoneBezerk]

He should go on TV and gladly tell everyone what we did to TERRORISTS....then scum like you would crawl in your holes when the American public applaud his efforts to protect this country from terrorists and you scum trying to destroy it.

Oh no....they shot UBL in the face....oh the horror......but, but they better not have tortured him, eh?

You are so fucking stupid...

Another funny jr. post praising President Bush.

President Bushes legacy will be two fold. First, Iraq. Including but not limited to invading a country that was not planning on attacking us, (nor could have if they wanted to), did not represent a serious or immediate threat to us, did not have the WMD President Bush and hius people claimed, and getting thousands of US soldiers killed. His invasion and occupation is also responsible for an unknown number of innocent Iraqi civilians. Second he presided over the worst economic meltdown since 1929.

President Obama's is still being written.

He will also be known as the only president to openly engage in TORTURE

 

[Harry Dresden]

obamination's bailout of GM/UAW.....oops, that is a major failure.
obamination's Arab Spring endeavors in Egypt and Libya....oops.
obamination tied Jimmy Carter's record for getting an Ambassador killed?
Solyndra?

Oh, he solved peace the middle east.....nope

Oh yeah, he took credit for what happened in Iraq after Bush implemented the withdraw....

It amazes me the spin that has been put on the last 12 years
If GWB has a Benghazi and then covers it up as obvious as the BHO admin did he would have been impeached
through all of the events that he was dealt with, he still created millions of jobs
wealth for 90 months and very close to a balanced budget by 2007

The war In Iraq was an evil we had to face
weapons?
Al Qaeda?
Saddam lying
we had no choice after 9-11 and every-one seen it. Without Al Qaeda/Iran/Pakistan and others it was over in months

The war In Iraq was an evil we had to face

i dont agree with ya here......it was a bad move from day one......if Bush would have handled Afghanistan right.....after toppling the Taliban and actually getting Bin Laden....i think Saddam would have thought twice about doing anything against the US......

 

[JRK]

What amazes me is these people on the left have been lied to so much they cannot see the forest for the trees in the way

GWB did this and did that

Yet sense the Dems took congress in 07 and the white house in 09 my god what a wreck
They claim GWB did this?
we spent 2.7 trillion in 2007, the last GOP budget
we spent 3.5 trillion and lost over 1 million jobs in 2009
and somehow GWB is to blame?

BHO inherited a MESS
No-one can deny that
so 9-11 was not?

BHO and the dems added 800 billion to the base line from 07-09 with deficits well over trillion sense
GWB fought 2 wars (the troops did the fighting) with a GOP congress (except 01-03 when the senate was Dem controlled) with only adding 2.5 trillion in 7 years (1.6 in 09 with 50% by the dems and huge job loss)
kept the UE below 6% through the end of 07 with 7 Sandys in the middle

some how all of this is forgotten



recovered from a recession and 9-11

 

[rightwinger]

AIG pays us back. The forst 50% of tarp saved the economy
His leadership post 9-11 prevented a more serious economic collapse than we had
Saddam, gone
UBL, gone (thanks to water boarding in 2006 as well as Navy seals/CIA)
His tax rate will be in place for 99% of us
Sarbanes Oxley, huge success
His medicare plan was under funded, but also a huge success
was within 163 billion of a balanced budget, 2007
Numerous bi partisan legislation events such as No Child left behind, removing Saddam, Etc...
Budgets through 2008 (BHO signed the 09 budget 3/2009, called the Omnibus bill

Now how is BHO doing?
no jobs
huge debt
Obama care in which some of his own now want out of some

It is not even close people

Did you just remind us about AIG?

AIG considers suing government for bailing it out, world implodes in on itself

 

[JRK]

AIG pays us back. The forst 50% of tarp saved the economy
His leadership post 9-11 prevented a more serious economic collapse than we had
Saddam, gone
UBL, gone (thanks to water boarding in 2006 as well as Navy seals/CIA)
His tax rate will be in place for 99% of us
Sarbanes Oxley, huge success
His medicare plan was under funded, but also a huge success
was within 163 billion of a balanced budget, 2007
Numerous bi partisan legislation events such as No Child left behind, removing Saddam, Etc...
Budgets through 2008 (BHO signed the 09 budget 3/2009, called the Omnibus bill

Now how is BHO doing?
no jobs
huge debt
Obama care in which some of his own now want out of some

It is not even close people

Did you just remind us about AIG?

AIG considers suing government for bailing it out, world implodes in on itself

what does that have to do with GWB?
You might want to read the suit and who is really looking to sue whom at this time

Tarp and the tax payer saved trillions in retirements/401ks/Pension plans

 

[rightwinger]

George Bush.....the Torture President

 

[JRK]

George Bush.....the Torture President

UBL the dead terrorist

BRIAN WILLIAMS, "NBC NIGHTLY NEWS": Can you confirm that it was as a result of waterboarding that we learned what we needed to learn to go after bin Laden?

LEON PANETTA, CIA DIRECTOR: Brian, in the intelligence business you work from a lot of sources of information and that was true here ... It's a little difficult to say it was due just to one source of information that we got ... I think some of the detainees clearly were, you know, they used these enhanced interrogation techniques against some of these detainees. But I'm also saying that, you know, the debate about whether we would have gotten the same information through other approaches I think is always going to be an open question.

WILLIAMS: So finer point, one final time, enhanced interrogation techniques -- which has always been kind of a handy euphemism in these post-9/11 years -- that includes waterboarding?

PANETTA: That's correct.

CIA Director Says Intel From Waterboarding Led to Bin Laden Raid | Politics | Fox Nation

would you rather UBL be dead?
you defend those animals?
Okay
glad you were not in the WTC building deciding whether burn, or jump

 

[regent]

In Bush's first rating by historians, he was rated fifth worst American president. The rating was based on 20 presidential characteristics, in one, economics, Bush was rated second worst president. As new presidents are added to the rating and new evidence comes to light the ratings might change but seldom by much. I would say that Bush will hold on to his bottom places for a long time.

and your link?
In addition what does this make BHO?
Carter?
FDR and his first 2 terms?

How many had 9-11?
7 major hurricanes?
2 recessions to overcome?
Nasdaq bubbles?
Wealth Bubble?

Any way be cool to see your link
ans again what does this make BHO?

There are ten or so organizations that rate the presidents. The latest, 2010. and the one I am using is the Siena Research Institute associated with Siena college. This was a poll of 238 noted historians and presidential experts. Siena did rate Obama on his first two years as president. These polls are very interesting as to experts versus the average citizen. Of course the average citizen is often polled but few citizen can even name the 43 presidents much less rate them with any historiacal perspective. The usual criticism is that historians tend to be liberal if not communists.

 

[JRK]

In Bush's first rating by historians, he was rated fifth worst American president. The rating was based on 20 presidential characteristics, in one, economics, Bush was rated second worst president. As new presidents are added to the rating and new evidence comes to light the ratings might change but seldom by much. I would say that Bush will hold on to his bottom places for a long time.

and your link?
In addition what does this make BHO?
Carter?
FDR and his first 2 terms?

How many had 9-11?
7 major hurricanes?
2 recessions to overcome?
Nasdaq bubbles?
Wealth Bubble?

Any way be cool to see your link
ans again what does this make BHO?

There are ten or so organizations that rate the presidents. The latest, 2010. and the one I am using is the Siena Research Institute associated with Siena college. This was a poll of 238 noted historians and presidential experts. Siena did rate Obama on his first two years as president. These polls are very interesting as to experts versus the average citizen. Of course the average citizen is often polled but few citizen can even name the 43 presidents much less rate them with any historiacal perspective. The usual criticism is that historians tend to be liberal if not communists.

Thank you
GWB for some reason is the most hated president we ever had
Beating Gore in 2000 changed this country for ever
The left is still filled with anger and hate, and there destroying this country with it

GWB went through more BS with the press and people just as you speak of then any

I have been honest with his performance as with BHO
Benghazi is the best example I can give, not to mention the lies that were repeated when BHO was re elected, while GWB had lies made up about him by CBS just days before the 04 election

It is crazy