Guns and books?

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    I have heard for quite a long time now, something I don't know if it is an urban legend or just exageratations. I would like to know, so I'll ask.

    It goes something like this:

    In US there is a law/proposal(?) in order to make ownership of weapons anonymous. There should be no records of who own what gun. This is neccessary to ensure personal freedom and integrity.

    Also

    In US there is a law/proposal(?) in order too make records of what books a person has borrowed from a library. This information is to be handeled out to government when asked for.

    So, is this true? IF so, is it the same people supporting both case one and two? Can you like both of those laws or proposals? Is there anoyone here, I'd like to know the reasoning!

    I didn't know exactly where to put this, feel free to move!
     
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    There is no central registry of gun purchases in America or any state. Such a registry would be the first step in gun confiscation, and is strongly opposed by most American gun owners.
     
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    I don't know of any state without a gun registry if it is bought from a dealer. If you buy a new gun, it will be traceable to the original buyer until the end of time.
     
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    Okay. No central registration but on a state-level purchases are registered.

    How about books? Just a myth?

    2 replies and the complexity of US government/state already shows, do you know this sometimes make newsreporting from US contradictory and confusing abroad?
     
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    As for the library books, it seems sometimes like thats all that has been in the news for the last couple of years. Congress is still fighting it because of the FBI has been going to libraries and getting records of who checked out what book without a court order. I think they agreed last week to go back to having to get court orders before a library has to turn over any records.
     
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    Intresting, thanks.

    This debate you talk about has gone almost unheard of. It seems very unamerican to register personal stuff about people for government usage.

    It is talk about it here too. Government like to store information in case the need arises later. Just for my saftey of course. But people in general don't like that idea.

    The "pro" argument is "If you have nothing to hide, - why worry?"

    The "against" is "You don't know who is going to use this information, not when and not why"
     
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    About the guns :

    The 2nd amendement of the US Constitution allows the people to have guns. But the text says that this right wouldn't be trangressed because it is NECESSARY for the country and its security to have a well-organized milice with weapons.
    Maybe in 1789, date of this text, and in 1791, date of its vote, but not at all nowadays... Today, Army, CIA, NSA, FBI, police forces assure the security. Not milicians with rifles. We are no more at the end of the XVIIIth century, when the minute men were necessary for the young american nation.

    The right given by the 2nd amendement is conditional : IF it is necessary for the State's security, then people have the right to own guns. But, a contrario, if it is no more necessary, this right become useless, without object.

    Maybe this amendement should have an evolutive interpretation, with the evolution of the society, and no more an exegetic interpretation. Law is an evolutive domain.

    ;)
     
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    If the second amendment is conditional, are the rest of them conditional? The police force can't assume the responsibility of the militia. The militia is made up of civilians as needed by the states and they were originally supposed to supply their own weapons. There is a way to do away with guns and that is to add another amendment stating so and be ratified by two thirds of the 50 states. But me acting as an individual, they can't have mine until after I'm dead. We need guns now more than ever.
     
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    For a moment I thought you were serious and I was going to wear my lil fingers down to a nubbin with a typo drubbin. Then I spotted the wink at the end.
     
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    I was serious.

    For me, this constitutionnal text is really conditionnal, I don't think that militia is usefull, that the national security of USA needs it.

    Maybe you can't understand me and I can't understand you because of the difference of culture : in Europe, people don't have so many weapons. For us, the proloferation of weapons is a factor of danger and insecurity. For you, it seems to be a security factor.
    So, sure, the mutual comprehension will be quite hard ;)
     

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