Gun-Rights Advocates Should Fear History of Second Amendment

[Luddly Neddite]

Gun-Rights Advocates Should Fear History of Second Amendment - The Daily Beast

Think it’s one short sentence that gives everyone the right to bear arms? Think again. Saul Cornell unravels the tangled history of one of our most misunderstood Amendments ... If the nation truly embraced the Second Amendment as it was originally written and understood, it would be the NRA’s worst nightmare. ...

 

[Mad Scientist]

From the article:

But the revisionism ultimately won over most of the legal establishment, reaching its zenith in 2008, when the Supreme Court broke with 70 years of established jurisprudence and affirmed that the Second Amendment protects an individual right to have guns in the home for reasons of self-defense.

Only 70 years? The Constitution dates back a little farther than that Luddite.

"A free people ought to be armed."
- George Washington


"A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government."
- George Washington


"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Benjamin Franklin


"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."
- Thomas Jefferson


"I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery."
- Thomas Jefferson

When the People fear the Gov't, there is Tyranny. When the Gov't fears the People, there is Freedom.


Someone famous said that.

 

[racewright]

Far to many men have died to preserve what they believe the second amendment means for XXXXXXX you to try some parlor trick to remove guns..

When are you socialists going to understand the more you try and hamper the guns the more it is believed that tyranny is the real motivation.

A gun is only as dangerous as the person having it. With all the stress on people today it is a wonder there is not more violence. It is nothing more than steel,wood and plastic. Wake up and smell the coffee, no one believes that protecting our children is the real motivation--no one not even the politicians spouting this.

The Focus in the CDZ is Civil Discourse. No Putting Down or Name Calling Other Posters.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Only 70 years? The Constitution dates back a little farther than that Luddite.

But the SCOTUS decides what is constitutional.

 

[Flopper]

Gun-Rights Advocates Should Fear History of Second Amendment - The Daily Beast

Think it’s one short sentence that gives everyone the right to bear arms? Think again. Saul Cornell unravels the tangled history of one of our most misunderstood Amendments ... If the nation truly embraced the Second Amendment as it was originally written and understood, it would be the NRA’s worst nightmare. ...

I wonder how many people that bought guns today did so with the idea of jointing or starting an insurrection. People buy guns to hunt, to shoot targets, to shoot people, or to own them as a collector. But to overthrow the government? I don't think so.

 

[MaryL]

This isn't about "leftists", for starters. I think this is a realist issue, and any Constitutional amendment whose net effect is hurting this country needs to be reexamined. I am no scholar, but the second amendment to the constitution IS an anachronism that has become a detriment to society. And those that support it are admirable but they are ignoring the obvious harm firearms are doing over the fictional or romantic aura they were given by our forefathers.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

This isn't about "leftists", for starters. I think this is a realist issue, and any Constitutional amendment whose net effect is hurting this country needs to be reexamined. I am no scholar, but the second amendment to the constitution IS an anachronism that has become a detriment to society. And those that support it are admirable but they are ignoring the obvious harm firearms are doing over the fictional or romantic aura they were given by our forefathers.

I agree.

 

[Intense]

There are fundamental Principles behind the 2nd Amendment. Life, Liberty, the Pursuit of happiness. The defense of Life and Property. When the Cops are called in to an emergency situation, what do they show up with? When the Marines are called into a dangerous situation, what do they show up with? Bottom line, there are times and situations where neither the Cops or the Military are going to be there in time to help. Now we have people in Cities determining what is a legitimate concern for Rural, Suburban, Mountain, Swamp, Desert, remote, peoples, as if they knew one end of a scatter rake or a buck rake from another. Speak of what you know, and please stop using your voice and vote to effect others, that you have zero awareness of. It is oppression, and it is blind to reality.

 

[The Rabbi]

This isn't about "leftists", for starters. I think this is a realist issue, and any Constitutional amendment whose net effect is hurting this country needs to be reexamined. I am no scholar, but the second amendment to the constitution IS an anachronism that has become a detriment to society. And those that support it are admirable but they are ignoring the obvious harm firearms are doing over the fictional or romantic aura they were given by our forefathers.

How is honest citizens owning guns a detriment to society?

Someone wrote "I saw a movie where only police and military had guns. It was called "Schindler's List."

 

[racewright]

This nation asked its sovereign nicely to allow us to govern our selfs--as with most things involving tyranny this nation had to take up arms to break away from England--its called the foreign enemy.
The oath all military has to swear to --protect against all enemies both foreign and DOMESTIC. There were those who believed living under England foreign rule was better than taking up arms against them. There are those that believe that taking away arms is the right thing to do. I submit these are the same people that believed taking up arms against there sovereign was not a good idea.

Now I ask you How was this nation founded--it was founded by the GUN and it is still the only thing keeping it free--you can not trust your sovereign only keep it at bay. TYRANNY IS ALWAYS RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER.

 

[Katzndogz]

Guns will disappear from American households if the day should come that Washington DC is under attack and obama needs to be defended. You won't find a gun or a bullet in the whole country.

 

[racewright]

What? No quotes from Hitler backing up Liberal positions on gun control?

King George was the dictator long before the anti Christ Hitler---as always the American patriot to the rescue. Gun in hand.

 

[whitehall]

What's the Beast's point? Free speech advocates should fear the history of the 1st Amendment and privacy advocates should fear the history of the 4th amendment. Lawyers should fear the history of the 6th and the 7th Amendments. That's why they called them "The Bill of Rights".

 

[daveman]

This isn't about "leftists", for starters. I think this is a realist issue, and any Constitutional amendment whose net effect is hurting this country needs to be reexamined. I am no scholar, but the second amendment to the constitution IS an anachronism that has become a detriment to society. And those that support it are admirable but they are ignoring the obvious harm firearms are doing over the fictional or romantic aura they were given by our forefathers.

Firearms do no harm. They do no good. They are inanimate objects.

Criminals and crazies do harm with firearms. Law-abiding citizens do good with firearms.

And law-abiding citizens do more good with firearms than criminals and crazies do harm.

 

[Missourian]

The Federalist #46


The remaining points on which I propose to compare the federal and State governments, are the disposition and the faculty they may respectively possess, to resist and frustrate the measures of each other.


The Federalist #46

 

[Missourian]

Only 70 years? The Constitution dates back a little farther than that Luddite.

But the SCOTUS decides what is constitutional.

Doesn't that seem a little biased to you?

That an institution of the Federal Government decides the winner of struggles between State Governments and the Federal Government?

Kind of like choosing the Umpire at a baseball game from the assistant coaches of the home team.

 

[Flopper]

This isn't about "leftists", for starters. I think this is a realist issue, and any Constitutional amendment whose net effect is hurting this country needs to be reexamined. I am no scholar, but the second amendment to the constitution IS an anachronism that has become a detriment to society. And those that support it are admirable but they are ignoring the obvious harm firearms are doing over the fictional or romantic aura they were given by our forefathers.

How is honest citizens owning guns a detriment to society?

Someone wrote "I saw a movie where only police and military had guns. It was called "Schindler's List."

Law abiding folks free of serious mental illness owning guns are not a detriment to society. Most people that are shot are the victims of criminals, the mentally ill, or accidents. It seems to me the solution is fairly simple. Deny gun ownership to criminals or the mentally ill and require gun safety training to anyone that purchases a gun. This may require new laws or just enforcing the ones we have.

 

[The Rabbi]

This isn't about "leftists", for starters. I think this is a realist issue, and any Constitutional amendment whose net effect is hurting this country needs to be reexamined. I am no scholar, but the second amendment to the constitution IS an anachronism that has become a detriment to society. And those that support it are admirable but they are ignoring the obvious harm firearms are doing over the fictional or romantic aura they were given by our forefathers.

How is honest citizens owning guns a detriment to society?

Someone wrote "I saw a movie where only police and military had guns. It was called "Schindler's List."

Law abiding folks free of serious mental illness owning guns are not a detriment to society. Most people that are shot are the victims of criminals, the mentally ill, or accidents. It seems to me the solution is fairly simple. Deny gun ownership to criminals or the mentally ill and require gun safety training to anyone that purchases a gun. This may require new laws or just enforcing the ones we have.

Criminals and the mentally ill are already barred from owning guns. Requiring safety training is no solution. People who are irresponsible are irresponsible. A training class will make no difference.

 

[Flopper]

How is honest citizens owning guns a detriment to society?

Someone wrote "I saw a movie where only police and military had guns. It was called "Schindler's List."

Law abiding folks free of serious mental illness owning guns are not a detriment to society. Most people that are shot are the victims of criminals, the mentally ill, or accidents. It seems to me the solution is fairly simple. Deny gun ownership to criminals or the mentally ill and require gun safety training to anyone that purchases a gun. This may require new laws or just enforcing the ones we have.

Criminals and the mentally ill are already barred from owning guns. Requiring safety training is no solution. People who are irresponsible are irresponsible. A training class will make no difference.

About half the guns sales are completed with no background check so the law is not enforced.

 

[PaulS1950]

Have you no idea what you are talking about? This percentage went from 20 to 30 to 40 and now you are saying 50% of the people who buy guns don't go through a background check?
where is your number coming from? Nearly all gun purchases and ALL new gun purchases go through a licensed dealer who has to fill out the forms that you have to sign and show your picture ID to complete. It doesn't matter whether that licensed dealer is at a gun show or in his store or at his home. He is required to fill out the paperwork to keep his license.
The only legal gun sales that are not checked is when a private citizen sells to another private citizen. All the folks I know sell only to someone with a concealed carry permit - they have already gone through the background chech. You can buy anything on the black market - I was once offered a fully auto 9mm Uzi for a rediculously low price. I knew it was illegal and I didn't buy it. When I buy a gun from a private citzen I always have the serial number run - just to make sure it isn't a stolen gun. I haven't been sold one yet.