Gun Owners fight back against totalitarian gun ban passed in Illinois town

[danielpalos]

We should have No Security problems! We have a Second Amendment!

 

[2aguy]

They are infringing on our right. Bit by bit until the right is gone. Cities will determine what you can and can not have and punish you if you disagree. Banks and credit cards will stop you from buying a gun using your debit card. Taxing ammo to the hilt. Gov. passing laws and restrictions on who is allowed to own a gun.
The UN needs us unarmed before they take over...

The UN needs us unarmed before they take over...
This is where you folks have gone wrong. Instead of joining the debate sensibly to influence measures that you feel will work, you all keep jumping to this conspiratorial garbage that of course no one can prove is wrong, because it has never happened and never will. But hey, it sends gun owners into a tizzy and that's just as good, huh?

Kinda like instead of learning about guns and their differences, we just ban them all.

You are brandishing the word Ban. They aren't banned. The law reads

it is unlawful for a person "to carry, keep, bear, transport or possess an assault weapon in the Village," except if the weapon is "broken down in a non-functioning state," is "not immediately accessible to any person," or is "unloaded and enclosed in a case, firearm carrying box, shipping box, or other container by a person who has been issued a currently valid Firearm Owner's Identification Card."

It isn't banned at all. You can have one or 2 or even a hundred but YOU have to have a Firearms License. That is not hard to get since it has the same requirement you must pass to register any firearm when you buy one without a firearms license. And it doesn't apply to normal hunting rifles and shotguns. it specifically targets rifles based on Military Assault Rifles like the M-16 and the AK-47. The only class of weapons that are specifically banned are Nuclear weapons. All other weapons are not banned, they are regulated through licensing and do have specific handling and storage requirement. BTW, the same firearms license that the town says you need for the AR-15 also allows you to own a real M-16 if there are no ordinances against owning the M-16. But to have that license, you will need a storage locker that is lockable that is heavy enough that it can't be carried off manually. MOST AR owners already have that. If you don't, you are a damned fool anyway. So stop with the "BAN" crap unless we are discussing Nuclear Weapons.

since you got this - please tell me the functional difference between a .223 sporting rifle, semi automatic with a 10 round clip and an AR of the same capacity clip.

i'm anxious to see how we define these by their specific traits as "military".

i'll grab a soda while you regail me with this one.

The AR-15,like the M-16, is a piston gas system direct impengment. It doesn't even require it to be in contact with anything at the end of the stock to cycle. It's very, very fast since it was originally designed to be an automatic weapon as well. It uses Aluminum parts where it can get way with it keeping the moving mass down. The firing mechanism is the reason it responds so well to a bump stock where other semi autos don't. It's not that it fires faster it's that it doesn't need any backward force to allow it to fire. it's just too close to the M-16 in design overall. I think the biggest thing is, there is a Cult thing going on that there isn't with any other gun. This is why it's the weapon of choice for Mass Shootings. Overseas, it's the AK-47 and Variants.

The Mini-14 uses a gas operated rotating bolt and cannot use direct impengment. it's also fast. It's based directly off the M-14. But it uses quite a few steel action parts. The Mini-14 is one tough cookie. Bump Stocks won't work on the Mini-14. I guess we can call the Mini-14 the Gentleman's choice and the first choice for hunting.

As for the claim that the AR-15 is the highest sold civilian rifle/shotgun? Not even close.

AR-15 3+million (an estimate only since everyone's mother makes one)
Model 870 11+million
Marlin Model 60 11+million
Mossberg 500 10+million
Model 1894 7.5+million
M-1/2/3Carbine 6.5+Million
Model 1100 4+million

The Clear Winner is the Marlin Model 60 for Rifles and always has been for decades. The Clear Winner for Shotguns is the Model 870 for Shotguns. Most of us have owned or do own both. And they are still the clear winners in sales even today. The AR made the top 10 list but not the top 5 list. Most of us only own one type of a given weapon while you AR nutjobs will own more than one AR. If you look at the numbers own per person, the AR wouldn't even make the top 100 list. It's only popular because of the high profile crimes it is used on and the Cult nature.

Dumb shit...the AR-15 civilian rifle is a semi automatic rifle, the M-16 is a military rifle with select fire capability.

They are in common use, their number in private hands estimated at over 8 million, and even more as morons like you try to ban them.

There is no cult, there is the realization, finally, that the only reason dumb asses like you are focusing on banning the AR-15 civilian rifle is so that you can come back and say that all other semi automatic rifles, pistols and shotguns fire the same way, so they too must be banned....and we are already seeing it as asswipes like you are calling for all Semi automatic weapons to be banned.....

 

[2aguy]

They are infringing on our right. Bit by bit until the right is gone. Cities will determine what you can and can not have and punish you if you disagree. Banks and credit cards will stop you from buying a gun using your debit card. Taxing ammo to the hilt. Gov. passing laws and restrictions on who is allowed to own a gun.
The UN needs us unarmed before they take over...

The UN needs us unarmed before they take over...
This is where you folks have gone wrong. Instead of joining the debate sensibly to influence measures that you feel will work, you all keep jumping to this conspiratorial garbage that of course no one can prove is wrong, because it has never happened and never will. But hey, it sends gun owners into a tizzy and that's just as good, huh?

Kinda like instead of learning about guns and their differences, we just ban them all.

You are brandishing the word Ban. They aren't banned. The law reads

it is unlawful for a person "to carry, keep, bear, transport or possess an assault weapon in the Village," except if the weapon is "broken down in a non-functioning state," is "not immediately accessible to any person," or is "unloaded and enclosed in a case, firearm carrying box, shipping box, or other container by a person who has been issued a currently valid Firearm Owner's Identification Card."

It isn't banned at all. You can have one or 2 or even a hundred but YOU have to have a Firearms License. That is not hard to get since it has the same requirement you must pass to register any firearm when you buy one without a firearms license. And it doesn't apply to normal hunting rifles and shotguns. it specifically targets rifles based on Military Assault Rifles like the M-16 and the AK-47. The only class of weapons that are specifically banned are Nuclear weapons. All other weapons are not banned, they are regulated through licensing and do have specific handling and storage requirement. BTW, the same firearms license that the town says you need for the AR-15 also allows you to own a real M-16 if there are no ordinances against owning the M-16. But to have that license, you will need a storage locker that is lockable that is heavy enough that it can't be carried off manually. MOST AR owners already have that. If you don't, you are a damned fool anyway. So stop with the "BAN" crap unless we are discussing Nuclear Weapons.

since you got this - please tell me the functional difference between a .223 sporting rifle, semi automatic with a 10 round clip and an AR of the same capacity clip.

i'm anxious to see how we define these by their specific traits as "military".

i'll grab a soda while you regail me with this one.

The AR-15,like the M-16, is a piston gas system direct impengment. It doesn't even require it to be in contact with anything at the end of the stock to cycle. It's very, very fast since it was originally designed to be an automatic weapon as well. It uses Aluminum parts where it can get way with it keeping the moving mass down. The firing mechanism is the reason it responds so well to a bump stock where other semi autos don't. It's not that it fires faster it's that it doesn't need any backward force to allow it to fire. it's just too close to the M-16 in design overall. I think the biggest thing is, there is a Cult thing going on that there isn't with any other gun. This is why it's the weapon of choice for Mass Shootings. Overseas, it's the AK-47 and Variants.

The Mini-14 uses a gas operated rotating bolt and cannot use direct impengment. it's also fast. It's based directly off the M-14. But it uses quite a few steel action parts. The Mini-14 is one tough cookie. Bump Stocks won't work on the Mini-14. I guess we can call the Mini-14 the Gentleman's choice and the first choice for hunting.

As for the claim that the AR-15 is the highest sold civilian rifle/shotgun? Not even close.

AR-15 3+million (an estimate only since everyone's mother makes one)
Model 870 11+million
Marlin Model 60 11+million
Mossberg 500 10+million
Model 1894 7.5+million
M-1/2/3Carbine 6.5+Million
Model 1100 4+million

The Clear Winner is the Marlin Model 60 for Rifles and always has been for decades. The Clear Winner for Shotguns is the Model 870 for Shotguns. Most of us have owned or do own both. And they are still the clear winners in sales even today. The AR made the top 10 list but not the top 5 list. Most of us only own one type of a given weapon while you AR nutjobs will own more than one AR. If you look at the numbers own per person, the AR wouldn't even make the top 100 list. It's only popular because of the high profile crimes it is used on and the Cult nature.

From an actual link...

How the AR-15 became America's most popular rifle

Today, one of out of every five firearms purchased in this country is an AR-style rifle, according to a NSSF estimate. Americans now own an estimated 15 million AR-15s, gun groups say. New AR-15 style guns range widely in price, from about $500 to more than $2,000.

 

[miketx]

Illinois town faces lawsuit after semi-automatic weapons ban

We all knew it was bound to happen. More than likely will end up at Supreme Court because we all should know how libtarded Illinois is and I don't expect much common sense from any of their courts.

Why would it end up in the Supreme Court when not all guns are banned?

it may just be the fact that local government doesn't have the ability to regulate firearms to this level, and the State or County is the only level of government that could do this.

Home rule in a local government flows DOWN from the State constitution, executive, and legislature, not the other way around.

Local jurisdictions can implement measures as long as they don't directly conflict with existing state statutes, I believe.

True, but Chicago has proved how ineffective these laws are.

Yet Deerfield does not, supposedly, have gang wars going on in some of their neighborhoods, so it may work just fine. What were their goals? It didn't say in the article.

Must be they want to have gang wars. Banning guns is a sure fire way to invite crime.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

The UN needs us unarmed before they take over...
This is where you folks have gone wrong. Instead of joining the debate sensibly to influence measures that you feel will work, you all keep jumping to this conspiratorial garbage that of course no one can prove is wrong, because it has never happened and never will. But hey, it sends gun owners into a tizzy and that's just as good, huh?

Kinda like instead of learning about guns and their differences, we just ban them all.

You are brandishing the word Ban. They aren't banned. The law reads

it is unlawful for a person "to carry, keep, bear, transport or possess an assault weapon in the Village," except if the weapon is "broken down in a non-functioning state," is "not immediately accessible to any person," or is "unloaded and enclosed in a case, firearm carrying box, shipping box, or other container by a person who has been issued a currently valid Firearm Owner's Identification Card."

It isn't banned at all. You can have one or 2 or even a hundred but YOU have to have a Firearms License. That is not hard to get since it has the same requirement you must pass to register any firearm when you buy one without a firearms license. And it doesn't apply to normal hunting rifles and shotguns. it specifically targets rifles based on Military Assault Rifles like the M-16 and the AK-47. The only class of weapons that are specifically banned are Nuclear weapons. All other weapons are not banned, they are regulated through licensing and do have specific handling and storage requirement. BTW, the same firearms license that the town says you need for the AR-15 also allows you to own a real M-16 if there are no ordinances against owning the M-16. But to have that license, you will need a storage locker that is lockable that is heavy enough that it can't be carried off manually. MOST AR owners already have that. If you don't, you are a damned fool anyway. So stop with the "BAN" crap unless we are discussing Nuclear Weapons.

since you got this - please tell me the functional difference between a .223 sporting rifle, semi automatic with a 10 round clip and an AR of the same capacity clip.

i'm anxious to see how we define these by their specific traits as "military".

i'll grab a soda while you regail me with this one.

The AR-15,like the M-16, is a piston gas system direct impengment. It doesn't even require it to be in contact with anything at the end of the stock to cycle. It's very, very fast since it was originally designed to be an automatic weapon as well. It uses Aluminum parts where it can get way with it keeping the moving mass down. The firing mechanism is the reason it responds so well to a bump stock where other semi autos don't. It's not that it fires faster it's that it doesn't need any backward force to allow it to fire. it's just too close to the M-16 in design overall. I think the biggest thing is, there is a Cult thing going on that there isn't with any other gun. This is why it's the weapon of choice for Mass Shootings. Overseas, it's the AK-47 and Variants.

The Mini-14 uses a gas operated rotating bolt and cannot use direct impengment. it's also fast. It's based directly off the M-14. But it uses quite a few steel action parts. The Mini-14 is one tough cookie. Bump Stocks won't work on the Mini-14. I guess we can call the Mini-14 the Gentleman's choice and the first choice for hunting.

As for the claim that the AR-15 is the highest sold civilian rifle/shotgun? Not even close.

AR-15 3+million (an estimate only since everyone's mother makes one)
Model 870 11+million
Marlin Model 60 11+million
Mossberg 500 10+million
Model 1894 7.5+million
M-1/2/3Carbine 6.5+Million
Model 1100 4+million

The Clear Winner is the Marlin Model 60 for Rifles and always has been for decades. The Clear Winner for Shotguns is the Model 870 for Shotguns. Most of us have owned or do own both. And they are still the clear winners in sales even today. The AR made the top 10 list but not the top 5 list. Most of us only own one type of a given weapon while you AR nutjobs will own more than one AR. If you look at the numbers own per person, the AR wouldn't even make the top 100 list. It's only popular because of the high profile crimes it is used on and the Cult nature.

Dumb shit...the AR-15 civilian rifle is a semi automatic rifle, the M-16 is a military rifle with select fire capability.

They are in common use, their number in private hands estimated at over 8 million, and even more as morons like you try to ban them.

There is no cult, there is the realization, finally, that the only reason dumb asses like you are focusing on banning the AR-15 civilian rifle is so that you can come back and say that all other semi automatic rifles, pistols and shotguns fire the same way, so they too must be banned....and we are already seeing it as asswipes like you are calling for all Semi automatic weapons to be banned.....

The total of 8 million includes the total of M-16s around the world as well as the AR-15 in the US. Damned, you sure do like to get bagged by Fact Checking, don't you.

As for the settings on the M-16, it has three settings. Safe, single and 3 shot bursts. The normal operation of the M-16 is single shot in combat. The Full Auto setting has been removed since the A2 version. Too many troops would use it to spray and pray and run out of ammo to quickly. The 3 shot setting is rarely used because it really doesn't do any better than the single shot setting and you have to bring your weapon back on target after the second shot anyway. In otherwords, in the real world, there is NO difference in the use of a M-16 versus an AR-15. If you had spent any time in combat with a M-16 you would know this. This is why most Retired Military People want the AR-15 to be regulated. Not Banned, Regulated. You arm chair generals have no idea of the dangers. You are dumber and more dangerous than even a 16 year old.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Why would it end up in the Supreme Court when not all guns are banned?

it may just be the fact that local government doesn't have the ability to regulate firearms to this level, and the State or County is the only level of government that could do this.

Home rule in a local government flows DOWN from the State constitution, executive, and legislature, not the other way around.

Local jurisdictions can implement measures as long as they don't directly conflict with existing state statutes, I believe.

True, but Chicago has proved how ineffective these laws are.

Yet Deerfield does not, supposedly, have gang wars going on in some of their neighborhoods, so it may work just fine. What were their goals? It didn't say in the article.

Must be they want to have gang wars. Banning guns is a sure fire way to invite crime.

The only ones that even mention "Banning" are you Gunnutz.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

The UN needs us unarmed before they take over...
This is where you folks have gone wrong. Instead of joining the debate sensibly to influence measures that you feel will work, you all keep jumping to this conspiratorial garbage that of course no one can prove is wrong, because it has never happened and never will. But hey, it sends gun owners into a tizzy and that's just as good, huh?

Kinda like instead of learning about guns and their differences, we just ban them all.

You are brandishing the word Ban. They aren't banned. The law reads

it is unlawful for a person "to carry, keep, bear, transport or possess an assault weapon in the Village," except if the weapon is "broken down in a non-functioning state," is "not immediately accessible to any person," or is "unloaded and enclosed in a case, firearm carrying box, shipping box, or other container by a person who has been issued a currently valid Firearm Owner's Identification Card."

It isn't banned at all. You can have one or 2 or even a hundred but YOU have to have a Firearms License. That is not hard to get since it has the same requirement you must pass to register any firearm when you buy one without a firearms license. And it doesn't apply to normal hunting rifles and shotguns. it specifically targets rifles based on Military Assault Rifles like the M-16 and the AK-47. The only class of weapons that are specifically banned are Nuclear weapons. All other weapons are not banned, they are regulated through licensing and do have specific handling and storage requirement. BTW, the same firearms license that the town says you need for the AR-15 also allows you to own a real M-16 if there are no ordinances against owning the M-16. But to have that license, you will need a storage locker that is lockable that is heavy enough that it can't be carried off manually. MOST AR owners already have that. If you don't, you are a damned fool anyway. So stop with the "BAN" crap unless we are discussing Nuclear Weapons.

since you got this - please tell me the functional difference between a .223 sporting rifle, semi automatic with a 10 round clip and an AR of the same capacity clip.

i'm anxious to see how we define these by their specific traits as "military".

i'll grab a soda while you regail me with this one.

The AR-15,like the M-16, is a piston gas system direct impengment. It doesn't even require it to be in contact with anything at the end of the stock to cycle. It's very, very fast since it was originally designed to be an automatic weapon as well. It uses Aluminum parts where it can get way with it keeping the moving mass down. The firing mechanism is the reason it responds so well to a bump stock where other semi autos don't. It's not that it fires faster it's that it doesn't need any backward force to allow it to fire. it's just too close to the M-16 in design overall. I think the biggest thing is, there is a Cult thing going on that there isn't with any other gun. This is why it's the weapon of choice for Mass Shootings. Overseas, it's the AK-47 and Variants.

The Mini-14 uses a gas operated rotating bolt and cannot use direct impengment. it's also fast. It's based directly off the M-14. But it uses quite a few steel action parts. The Mini-14 is one tough cookie. Bump Stocks won't work on the Mini-14. I guess we can call the Mini-14 the Gentleman's choice and the first choice for hunting.

As for the claim that the AR-15 is the highest sold civilian rifle/shotgun? Not even close.

AR-15 3+million (an estimate only since everyone's mother makes one)
Model 870 11+million
Marlin Model 60 11+million
Mossberg 500 10+million
Model 1894 7.5+million
M-1/2/3Carbine 6.5+Million
Model 1100 4+million

The Clear Winner is the Marlin Model 60 for Rifles and always has been for decades. The Clear Winner for Shotguns is the Model 870 for Shotguns. Most of us have owned or do own both. And they are still the clear winners in sales even today. The AR made the top 10 list but not the top 5 list. Most of us only own one type of a given weapon while you AR nutjobs will own more than one AR. If you look at the numbers own per person, the AR wouldn't even make the top 100 list. It's only popular because of the high profile crimes it is used on and the Cult nature.

From an actual link...

How the AR-15 became America's most popular rifle

Today, one of out of every five firearms purchased in this country is an AR-style rifle, according to a NSSF estimate. Americans now own an estimated 15 million AR-15s, gun groups say. New AR-15 style guns range widely in price, from about $500 to more than $2,000.

Let's take a good look at your cites.

First cite is for a FFL. It's like a MINI NRA that doesn't invest money in Politics but does invest heavily in law suits representing the various Gun Industry's interests. It leaves out quite a bit though. Like the rights of the state.

Second cite was done by a reporter for NBC. Certainly not an expert on guns of any kind. If he reported on anything else you would have been crucifying him.

The 3rd cite send me to a NRA cite and it has a Page Not Found.

As for the number of 15 million, Nice trick. The total for the M-16 and the AR-15 are lumped together at 8 million with the AR-15 showing 3+ million of that number. There is no way of knowing how many have been made since some are made in kit form. The Major Gun Manufacturers show the 3+million figure but it's estimated that it may go as high as almost 5 million when you figure in the kits. And that is the total for the entire lifetime. The Savage Model 60 has it beat with over 11 million and so does the Remington Model 870 at over 11 Million.

How about fact checking your figures first. Just because the NRA or some crackpot site says something doesn't make it true. But I guess people like you believe if you say it enough times that it just might become true.