Gun manufacturer devastated following massacre

Well, if the government does use this as an excuse to take some firearms away, hopefully they'll allow me to keep my Remington 700... and my .357... and my pump-action 12-gauge...

Aw, who am I kidding?
I'm not a conservative, but the day my guns are taken, that might make me go full blown anarchist.

What kind of pussy man needs a gun?
James Bond.

Every cop on the street

All you idiots are blaming the gun for this but who let that guy just walk nilly willy into a school.

Shit I lock my doors when I'm home and I don't have kids.

So all this could have been avoided by a locked door
 
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It's the same ignorant response from you fuckers all day.

20 children are dead and you still don't know your place.
20 children are dead and your transparent bullshit to use them as a political tool is still in full effect. You are a sick individual.

Let's try this, use actual data to back changing gun laws, not emotional ploys. You don't have the evidence that strict gun laws do jack shit to address crime and murder.

And where are crime and homicide rates?

Over 9,000 Murders by Gun in US; 39 in UK

Number of Murders, United States, 2009: 15,241

Number of Murders by Firearms, US, 2009: 9,146

Number of Murders, Britain, 2008*: 648
(Since Britain’s population is 1/5 that of US, this is equivalent to 3,240 US murders)

Number of Murders by firearms, Britain, 2008* 39
(equivalent to 195 US murders)

*The Home office reported murder statistics in the UK for the 12 months to March 2009, but these are 12-month figures).

The international comparisons show conclusively that fewer gun owners per capita produce not only fewer murders by firearm, but fewer murders per capita over all. In the case of Britain, firearms murders are 48 times fewer than in the US.

Do hunters really need semi-automatic Glock hand guns? Is that how they roll in deer season? The US public doesn’t think so.

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Gun Laws Work, So Why Don’t We Have More Of Them?

An average of 83 Americans die every day from firearms in the United States. And the U.S. has the highest firearm homicide rates in the developed world.

In 33 states, criminals and terrorists can buy military-style assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition clips from “private dealers” on the Internet or at gun shows without showing ID or completing a background check. No ID, no background check, no restrictions, no detection. It is perfectly legal for private gun dealers and individuals to sell an unlimited number of firearms to anyone, including domestic criminals and international terrorists, cash and carry.

Most citizens, members of law enforcement, gun owners and even a majority of NRA members agree that we need more restrictive laws governing the buying and selling of firearms.

Consider these figures from the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence:

  • 94 percent of police chiefs favor requiring a criminal background check for all handgun sales

  • 87 percent of Americans support background checks on private sales of guns, including sales at gun shows

  • 83 percent of gun owners support background checks on private sales of guns, including sales at gun shows

  • 69 percent of gun owners who belong to the NRA support requiring all gun sellers at gun shows to conduct criminal background checks of the people buying guns
There are several examples of successful legislative efforts to reduce gun violence, and real results that show the connection between restricted access to guns and reduced gun violence.

Between 1994 and 2004, under a federal assault weapons ban, there was a 66 percent reduction in assault weapons linked to crimes. (Assault weapons are the common denominator in every mass shooting because they can fire up to 100 rounds before reloading.) Since the ban expired, we have seen these military-style assault weapons come back into circulation. Previously banned guns like the AR-15, used in the Aurora massacre, are readily available to criminals and terrorists in the 33 states with lax gun control laws and at thousands of gun shows.

In Massachusetts, where we have some of the most effective gun laws, firearms kill three people per 100,000 each year, compared to the national average of 10 per 100,000. Despite being an urban industrial state, Massachusetts boasts the lowest firearm fatality rate in the nation.

Massachusetts is one of the few states to require gun training, licensing and registration, and consumer protection standards for firearm manufacturers, and is one of only 17 states that require criminal background checks for all gun sales. These tough gun laws strengthen the conclusion reached by the Violence Policy Center, which found that states with the lowest firearm fatality rates have more restrictive gun laws and lower gun ownership rates.

Then this should all be very simple for you. Go live in Britain. If we wanted to be like Britain, we would have never had the Revolutionary War. Britain has a king, a queen, princes and princesses, parliament and all sorts of other things the U.S. doesn't have. Should we have those....too?
 
20 children are dead and your transparent bullshit to use them as a political tool is still in full effect. You are a sick individual.

Let's try this, use actual data to back changing gun laws, not emotional ploys. You don't have the evidence that strict gun laws do jack shit to address crime and murder.


And where are crime and homicide rates?

Over 9,000 Murders by Gun in US; 39 in UK

Number of Murders, United States, 2009: 15,241

Number of Murders by Firearms, US, 2009: 9,146

Number of Murders, Britain, 2008*: 648
(Since Britain’s population is 1/5 that of US, this is equivalent to 3,240 US murders)

Number of Murders by firearms, Britain, 2008* 39
(equivalent to 195 US murders)

*The Home office reported murder statistics in the UK for the 12 months to March 2009, but these are 12-month figures).

The international comparisons show conclusively that fewer gun owners per capita produce not only fewer murders by firearm, but fewer murders per capita over all. In the case of Britain, firearms murders are 48 times fewer than in the US.

Do hunters really need semi-automatic Glock hand guns? Is that how they roll in deer season? The US public doesn’t think so.

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Gun Laws Work, So Why Don’t We Have More Of Them?

An average of 83 Americans die every day from firearms in the United States. And the U.S. has the highest firearm homicide rates in the developed world.

In 33 states, criminals and terrorists can buy military-style assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition clips from “private dealers” on the Internet or at gun shows without showing ID or completing a background check. No ID, no background check, no restrictions, no detection. It is perfectly legal for private gun dealers and individuals to sell an unlimited number of firearms to anyone, including domestic criminals and international terrorists, cash and carry.

Most citizens, members of law enforcement, gun owners and even a majority of NRA members agree that we need more restrictive laws governing the buying and selling of firearms.

Consider these figures from the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence:

  • 94 percent of police chiefs favor requiring a criminal background check for all handgun sales

  • 87 percent of Americans support background checks on private sales of guns, including sales at gun shows

  • 83 percent of gun owners support background checks on private sales of guns, including sales at gun shows

  • 69 percent of gun owners who belong to the NRA support requiring all gun sellers at gun shows to conduct criminal background checks of the people buying guns
There are several examples of successful legislative efforts to reduce gun violence, and real results that show the connection between restricted access to guns and reduced gun violence.

Between 1994 and 2004, under a federal assault weapons ban, there was a 66 percent reduction in assault weapons linked to crimes. (Assault weapons are the common denominator in every mass shooting because they can fire up to 100 rounds before reloading.) Since the ban expired, we have seen these military-style assault weapons come back into circulation. Previously banned guns like the AR-15, used in the Aurora massacre, are readily available to criminals and terrorists in the 33 states with lax gun control laws and at thousands of gun shows.

In Massachusetts, where we have some of the most effective gun laws, firearms kill three people per 100,000 each year, compared to the national average of 10 per 100,000. Despite being an urban industrial state, Massachusetts boasts the lowest firearm fatality rate in the nation.

Massachusetts is one of the few states to require gun training, licensing and registration, and consumer protection standards for firearm manufacturers, and is one of only 17 states that require criminal background checks for all gun sales. These tough gun laws strengthen the conclusion reached by the Violence Policy Center, which found that states with the lowest firearm fatality rates have more restrictive gun laws and lower gun ownership rates.

Then this should all be very simple for you. Go live in Britain. If we wanted to be like Britain, we would have never had the Revolutionary War. Britain has a king, a queen, princes and princesses, parliament and all sorts of other things the U.S. doesn't have. Should we have those....too?

Love it or leave it huh?

No asshole, this is MY country too. You don't get to decide what I fight for or fight against.
 
It's the same ignorant response from you fuckers all day.

20 children are dead and you still don't know your place.
20 children are dead and your transparent bullshit to use them as a political tool is still in full effect. You are a sick individual.

Let's try this, use actual data to back changing gun laws, not emotional ploys. You don't have the evidence that strict gun laws do jack shit to address crime and murder.

And where are crime and homicide rates?

Over 9,000 Murders by Gun in US; 39 in UK

Number of Murders, United States, 2009: 15,241

Number of Murders by Firearms, US, 2009: 9,146

Number of Murders, Britain, 2008*: 648
(Since Britain’s population is 1/5 that of US, this is equivalent to 3,240 US murders)

Number of Murders by firearms, Britain, 2008* 39
(equivalent to 195 US murders)

*The Home office reported murder statistics in the UK for the 12 months to March 2009, but these are 12-month figures).

The international comparisons show conclusively that fewer gun owners per capita produce not only fewer murders by firearm, but fewer murders per capita over all. In the case of Britain, firearms murders are 48 times fewer than in the US.

Do hunters really need semi-automatic Glock hand guns? Is that how they roll in deer season? The US public doesn’t think so.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Gun Laws Work, So Why Don’t We Have More Of Them?

An average of 83 Americans die every day from firearms in the United States. And the U.S. has the highest firearm homicide rates in the developed world.

In 33 states, criminals and terrorists can buy military-style assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition clips from “private dealers” on the Internet or at gun shows without showing ID or completing a background check. No ID, no background check, no restrictions, no detection. It is perfectly legal for private gun dealers and individuals to sell an unlimited number of firearms to anyone, including domestic criminals and international terrorists, cash and carry.

Most citizens, members of law enforcement, gun owners and even a majority of NRA members agree that we need more restrictive laws governing the buying and selling of firearms.

Consider these figures from the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence:

  • 94 percent of police chiefs favor requiring a criminal background check for all handgun sales
  • 87 percent of Americans support background checks on private sales of guns, including sales at gun shows
  • 83 percent of gun owners support background checks on private sales of guns, including sales at gun shows
  • 69 percent of gun owners who belong to the NRA support requiring all gun sellers at gun shows to conduct criminal background checks of the people buying guns
There are several examples of successful legislative efforts to reduce gun violence, and real results that show the connection between restricted access to guns and reduced gun violence.

Between 1994 and 2004, under a federal assault weapons ban, there was a 66 percent reduction in assault weapons linked to crimes. (Assault weapons are the common denominator in every mass shooting because they can fire up to 100 rounds before reloading.) Since the ban expired, we have seen these military-style assault weapons come back into circulation. Previously banned guns like the AR-15, used in the Aurora massacre, are readily available to criminals and terrorists in the 33 states with lax gun control laws and at thousands of gun shows.

In Massachusetts, where we have some of the most effective gun laws, firearms kill three people per 100,000 each year, compared to the national average of 10 per 100,000. Despite being an urban industrial state, Massachusetts boasts the lowest firearm fatality rate in the nation.

Massachusetts is one of the few states to require gun training, licensing and registration, and consumer protection standards for firearm manufacturers, and is one of only 17 states that require criminal background checks for all gun sales. These tough gun laws strengthen the conclusion reached by the Violence Policy Center, which found that states with the lowest firearm fatality rates have more restrictive gun laws and lower gun ownership rates.
Well, there is a LOT of misinformation in this post that is typical of the gun control crowd. First, you have a list of what percentage of people support this or that, a totally meaningless piece of information when discussing the effectiveness of gun bans. That has nothing to do with the effectiveness of the bans but has a lot to do with the effectiveness of misinformation. Lets deal with the facts here.
Number of Murders, United States, 2009: 15,241

Number of Murders by Firearms, US, 2009: 9,146

Number of Murders, Britain, 2008*: 648
(Since Britain’s population is 1/5 that of US, this is equivalent to 3,240 US murders)

Number of Murders by firearms, Britain, 2008* 39
(equivalent to 195 US murders)

*The Home office reported murder statistics in the UK for the 12 months to March 2009, but these are 12-month figures).

The international comparisons show conclusively that fewer gun owners per capita produce not only fewer murders by firearm, but fewer murders per capita over all. In the case of Britain, firearms murders are 48 times fewer than in the US.
First off, the number of homicides or crimes committed with firearms is a pointless statistic. I hope that we can agree that what instrument kills the victim is irrelevant. The real relevant information here is how many people are killed overall and whether or not stricter gun laws results in fewer deaths or crimes. That is what the gun control advocates are claiming. It is a common tactic for gun control advocates to use the 'firearms' additive to skew the data and we NEED to get away from that.

Second, comparing international numbers is also utterly meaningless. Why, you ask. Well, that's simple. Scientific data requires that we control for other variables. Comparing US to Brittan is meaningless because there are thousands of variables that make a huge difference. Not only the proliferation of guns that already exists and the current gun laws but also things as basic as culture, diversity, population density, police forces and a host of other things would need to be accounted for. That is utterly impossible. Mexico and Switzerland can be used on the other side of the argument but you're site cherry picks Brittan because that supports the forgone conclusion they have already made. How do we overcome this? Also, simple. You compare the crime rates before and after gun legislation has passed. We can do that here and in brittan.
Gun Control - Just Facts
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Here we see a rather large spike directly after gun laws are strengthened and no real increase after they are removed. Washington apparently did not get the memo that homicides were supposed to decrease after they passed their law.


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Here we have Chicago where there is no discernable difference before and after the ban. Again, we are not seeing any real positive effects here. As a matter of fact, the rate has worsened as compared to the overall rate in the country even though it has slightly decreased. Form the caption:
Since the outset of the Chicago handgun ban, the Chicago murder rate has averaged 17% lower than it was before the law took effect, while the U.S. murder rate has averaged 25% lower.



But you really wanted to talk about Brittan, didn't you. Lets actually look at the real numbers over there as well:

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Oops, even in Brittan, when we account for other factors by using their OWN crime rates, we find that gun laws have NOT reduced the homicides they have suffered. Seems we are developing a pattern here. At least Chicago seen some reduction though it was far less than the national average decrease.


Then, you could always argue, what happens when we relax gun laws. If the gun 'grabbers were correct, crimes rate would skyrocket (or at least go up). Does that happen:
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Guess not. The homicide rate in Florida fell rather rapidly and faster than the national average. In Texas we get a similar result:

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Then there are other statistics that do matter very much like the following:
* Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18]

* A 1993 nationwide survey of 4,977 households found that over the previous five years, at least 3.5% of households had members who had used a gun "for self-protection or for the protection of property at home, work, or elsewhere." Applied to the U.S. population, this amounts to 1,029,615 such incidents per year. This figure excludes all "military service, police work, or work as a security guard."[19]

* A 1994 survey conducted by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention found that Americans use guns to frighten away intruders who are breaking into their homes about 498,000 times per year.[20]

* A 1982 survey of male felons in 11 state prisons dispersed across the U.S. found:[21]

• 34% had been "scared off, shot at, wounded, or captured by an armed victim"
• 40% had decided not to commit a crime because they "knew or believed that the victim was carrying a gun"
• 69% personally knew other criminals who had been "scared off, shot at, wounded, or captured by an armed victim"[22]

Clearly, your claim that gun control leads to better outcomes is blatantly false. Your sources are openly biased. The title of the site itself claims gun laws are effective but what does the data really say. It disagrees. All statistics your site wants to cover use qualifiers like 'gun deaths' when gun deaths is a meaningless term if knife deaths triple. Look at the data, it is conclusive that gun laws most certainly do not have any positive impact on crime, homicides or any other meaningful metric. I hope I have not wasted my time getting you this information. Try reading it, it will enlighten you.
 
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What kind of pussy man needs a gun?
James Bond.

Every cop on the street has had a full background check, a psychological evaluation and has been trained on use of force policies, is required to qualify regularly and most support resonable gun control.

All you idiots are blaming the gun for this but who let that guy just walk nilly willy into a school. 'fact' not in evidence

Shit I lock my doors when I'm home and I don't have kids.

So all this could have been avoided by a locked door
conclusion not supported by evidence.
 
James Bond.

Every cop on the street has had a full background check, a psychological evaluation and has been trained on use of force policies, is required to qualify regularly and most support resonable gun control.

All you idiots are blaming the gun for this but who let that guy just walk nilly willy into a school. 'fact' not in evidence

Shit I lock my doors when I'm home and I don't have kids.

So all this could have been avoided by a locked door
conclusion not supported by evidence.
of course the fucking cops want gun control that way they can abuse people with impunity
 
ILION, N.Y. -- The Remington Arms factory is at the center of this small village, straddled midway between Albany and Syracuse in the Mohawk Valley, towering over nearly every corner of the small downtown.

It may also be at the center of Friday's mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn.

A Bushmaster .223 semi-automatic rifle was among the three powerful weapons crazed gunman Adam Lanza used in his bloody rampage.

And it was the Bushmaster -- a semi-automatic, military--style assault rifle - that Lanza fired to massacre 20 schoolchildren and six adult staffers.

Manufacture of the rifle was moved to Remington's Ilion factory in March 2011, providing a morbid link between this tight-knit town of just over 8,000 and the postcard-perfect New England community of Newtown.

Machinist Carl Bovay, 46, said if Lanza's weapon was manufactured after production moved to Ilion, there is roughly a one-in-three chance that he worked on the gun. The thought, he said, has weighed heavily on him and a handful of colleagues.

"I keep telling myself that I did not make that barrel," said Bovay, who made a point to mention that he does not personally own any firearms.

Gun manufacturer devastated following massacre - StamfordAdvocate


And some ass wipe on here said the gun was named after President GW Bush....
You just can't make that kind of stuff up. :mad:
 
James Bond.

Every cop on the street has had a full background check, a psychological evaluation and has been trained on use of force policies, is required to qualify regularly and most support resonable gun control.

All you idiots are blaming the gun for this but who let that guy just walk nilly willy into a school. 'fact' not in evidence

Shit I lock my doors when I'm home and I don't have kids.

So all this could have been avoided by a locked door
conclusion not supported by evidence.

That's true. Most cops I know believe that private citizens have a right to keep and bear arms and they're OK with that.
Cops commit far more crimes than people with carry permits.
 
ILION, N.Y. -- The Remington Arms factory is at the center of this small village, straddled midway between Albany and Syracuse in the Mohawk Valley, towering over nearly every corner of the small downtown.

It may also be at the center of Friday's mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn.

A Bushmaster .223 semi-automatic rifle was among the three powerful weapons crazed gunman Adam Lanza used in his bloody rampage.

And it was the Bushmaster -- a semi-automatic, military--style assault rifle - that Lanza fired to massacre 20 schoolchildren and six adult staffers.

Manufacture of the rifle was moved to Remington's Ilion factory in March 2011, providing a morbid link between this tight-knit town of just over 8,000 and the postcard-perfect New England community of Newtown.

Machinist Carl Bovay, 46, said if Lanza's weapon was manufactured after production moved to Ilion, there is roughly a one-in-three chance that he worked on the gun. The thought, he said, has weighed heavily on him and a handful of colleagues.

"I keep telling myself that I did not make that barrel," said Bovay, who made a point to mention that he does not personally own any firearms.

Gun manufacturer devastated following massacre - StamfordAdvocate

Yeah right and watch their gun sell escalate. When things like this happen they sell even more guns.
 
he bushmaster 223 was a banned assault weapon untill 2005 when ya gun happy potus dubya refused to re-institute the assault weapons ban.
I am a gun owner myself. J just don't think any civilian needs a semi auto assult weapon. The nra would supply Sam missles if they could. Why!!??
 
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