Gun and Ammo Database and Monitoring

[GHook93]

Listen to the exchange between O'reilly and this UT rep. O'Reilly is advocating that heavy weapon purchases and large amount of ammo purchased anywhere should get reported into a system that the FBI monitors. Meaning you buy a gun that is one the list or large amounts of ammo, then the FBI gets alerted to it and can investigate it. It's not making a restriction nor is it infringing on gun ownership rights. I mean if you buy certain cough medicine they enter it into a system to make sure your not buying it to make drugs out of it, why should it be any different with guns.

First, I want to say I am an owner of a gun that would probably be on the list -Saiga 12. Nevertheless I think this is a great idea. However, I think every gun should go into a database that the FBI and ATF monitor for irregularities. I think ammo purchases should also go into a database and the FBI can look into it or not. Heck they monitor flight school enrollment, but ammo purchases.

I think it just makes common sense!

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXTT3A0B1Vs]Bill O'Reilly and Rep. Jason Chaffetz in Epic Gun Rights Blowout - YouTube[/ame]

 

[GHook93]

If you don't want to watch the short clip. The Cuba general tell his soldier to get the 4473 form so he can find out and arrest all the gun owners!

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OaF-j8x5Vc]Red Dawn Gun Control.avi - YouTube[/ame]

 

[RetiredGySgt]

One does not have to explain why they exercise their constitutional rights. One is assumed INNOCENT until proven guilty and the 4th and 5th Amendments protect you from the Government conducting a witch hunt.

What you advocate violates both the 4th and 5th Amendments. And it violates the intent of the 2nd. All lists designed as you advocate serve one purpose, to identify where and whom owns firearms and serve only one purpose, to aid in the eventual seizure by force.

 

[eflatminor]

I load my own ammo. What you going to do about that?

Then there's the unintended consequence of registering/monitoring ammunition purchases such as the thriving black market for ammo that will inevitably emerge. Won't that be wonderful, more profit potential for the gangs.

 

[waltky]

Granny says, "Dat's right - what we need is ammo control...

Dem lawmakers to announce bill limiting online ammo sales
7/29/12 - Two Democratic lawmakers on Monday will announce new legislation to regulate the online and mail-order sale of ammunition.

Sen. Frank Lautenberg (N.J.) and Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (N.Y.) said the new law would make the sale of ammunition “safer for law-abiding Americans who are sick and tired of the ease with which criminals can now anonymously stockpile for mass murder,” in a statement released Saturday. The lawmakers cite the recent movie massacre in Aurora, Colo. for spurring their bill. “The shooter who killed 12 and injured 58 in an Aurora, Colorado movie theater this month had purchased over 6,000 rounds of ammunition anonymously on the Internet shortly before going on his killing spree, according to law enforcement officials,” the statement reads. “The shooter used a civilian version of the military’s M-16 rifle with a 100-round drum magazine, a shotgun and two .40-caliber semi-automatic handguns commonly used by police officers.”

Lautenberg and McCarthy, who will unveil their new proposal at New York’s City Hall say they intend to “make it harder for criminals to anonymously stockpile ammunition through the Internet.” Lautenberg and McCarthy are two high profile advocates of gun control legislation, but they face an uphill struggle in Congress. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) said last week that he does not intend to bring gun control legislation to the floor and President Obama has been reluctant to press lawmakers to act on the issue in an election year.

Democratic senators though have offered an amendment to the cybersecurity bill that would limit the purchase of high capacity magazines by some consumers. Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) defended it last Thursday as a “reasonable” gun control measure. The amendment is identical to a separate bill proposed in January 2011 by Lautenberg also banning the sale of high capacity ammunition magazines.

After the shootings in Colorado, the New Jersey senator urged lawmakers to reconsider his bill. “We need to start today on efforts to prevent the next attack,” he said in a statement. “We should begin by passing my legislation to ban the sale of high-capacity gun magazines. No sportsman needs 100 rounds to shoot a duck, but allowing high-capacity magazines in the hands of killers like James Holmes and Jared Loughner puts law enforcement at a disadvantage and innocent lives at risk.” Loughner, the gunman charged in the shooting of former Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (R-Ariz.) and Holmes, who is the lone suspect in the Aurora theater shootings are both believed to have used high-capacity magazines.

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[HenryBHough]

King George would be proud.

 

[Moonglow]

What about my tracked 105mm howitzer I just got!?

 

[jbgramps]

Wow, OK, now I'm impressed. You must live in a tough hood. Best I can do is a full-auto AR and a few frags.

 

[eflatminor]

Granny says, "Dat's right - what we need is ammo control...

And you believe this will stop crazies from getting ammunition? Thinking that the Colorado shooting wouldn't of happened? The guy that built bombs and booby trapped his apartment...couldn't manage to score ammunition if online sales were regulated?

Are you drunk?

 

[g5000]

Listen to the exchange between O'reilly and this UT rep. O'Reilly is advocating that heavy weapon purchases and large amount of ammo purchased anywhere should get reported into a system that the FBI monitors. Meaning you buy a gun that is one the list or large amounts of ammo, then the FBI gets alerted to it and can investigate it. It's not making a restriction nor is it infringing on gun ownership rights. I mean if you buy certain cough medicine they enter it into a system to make sure your not buying it to make drugs out of it, why should it be any different with guns.

First, I want to say I am an owner of a gun that would probably be on the list -Saiga 12. Nevertheless I think this is a great idea. However, I think every gun should go into a database that the FBI and ATF monitor for irregularities. I think ammo purchases should also go into a database and the FBI can look into it or not. Heck they monitor flight school enrollment, but ammo purchases.

I think it just makes common sense!

Bill O'Reilly and Rep. Jason Chaffetz in Epic Gun Rights Blowout - YouTube

I think if you download too much porn in one day, a big red firebell should go off at the Department of Homeland Security and a team of investigators should be deployed to your house to find out if you are a rapist.

I think if you post too many times on a political websiste, you should be investigated to see if you are a terrorist.

I think if you buy too many Batman comics, you should be investigated to see if you are a movie theater shooter.

 

[hjmick]

Listen to the exchange between O'reilly and this UT rep. O'Reilly is advocating that heavy weapon purchases and large amount of ammo purchased anywhere should get reported into a system that the FBI monitors. Meaning you buy a gun that is one the list or large amounts of ammo, then the FBI gets alerted to it and can investigate it. It's not making a restriction nor is it infringing on gun ownership rights. I mean if you buy certain cough medicine they enter it into a system to make sure your not buying it to make drugs out of it, why should it be any different with guns.

First, I want to say I am an owner of a gun that would probably be on the list -Saiga 12. Nevertheless I think this is a great idea. However, I think every gun should go into a database that the FBI and ATF monitor for irregularities. I think ammo purchases should also go into a database and the FBI can look into it or not. Heck they monitor flight school enrollment, but ammo purchases.

I think it just makes common sense!

Bill O'Reilly and Rep. Jason Chaffetz in Epic Gun Rights Blowout - YouTube

No.

If you don't want to watch the short clip. The Cuba general tell his soldier to get the 4473 form so he can find out and arrest all the gun owners!

Red Dawn Gun Control.avi - YouTube

Exactly.

And no, I do not fear an invasion by a foreign government. But I have real reservations about my own government having the ability to identify citizens who own firearms.