"Guantanamo is a recruiting tool for terrorism"

[Fraulein Hilda]

Chris, first let me say as a former US military member as well, thank you for serving, in paticular what has been a tough go.

May I suggest to you however that any person willing to blow themselves up, as well as fellow Muslims (most of the Iraqi insurgency's victims) would have found a reason to do that regardless of what the US does.

chris didnt serve
hes pasting someone elses words
chris is a fucking moron

I always start with my hand open believing in the other man until he fucks it and we go to fists.

Knowing you are that way, the other man will kill 3000 other people first because he knows you will spot him that lead.

 

[Fraulein Hilda]

Successful terrorist acts are the only recruting tool for terrorists.

 

[Joe_Penalty]

Successful terrorist acts are the only recruting tool for terrorists.

Can you please give me a premise or premises for this conclusion?

 

[Political Junky]

How about this wingnut talk show host?

"[Jonathan Adler, May 22, 2009 at 9:30pm] Trackbacks
Radio Host Waterboarded, Says It's Torture:
Talk radio host Eric "Mancow" Muller had himself waterboarded on his radio program to see whether it constitutes torture.
With a Chicago Fire Department paramedic on hand, Mancow was placed on a 7-foot long table, his legs were elevated, and his feet were tied up.

. . . Witnesses said Muller thrashed on the table, and even instantly threw the toy cow he was holding as his emergency tool to signify when he wanted the experiment to stop. He only lasted 6 or 7 seconds.

"It is way worse than I thought it would be, and that's no joke," Mancow said, likening it to a time when he nearly drowned as a child. "It is such an odd feeling to have water poured down your nose with your head back . . . It was instantaneous . . . and I don't want to say this: absolutely torture."

"I wanted to prove it wasn't torture," Mancow said. "They cut off our heads, we put water on their face . . . I really thought 'I'm going to laugh this off.' "

In this regard, Mancow's experience was much the same as Christopher Hitchens and former OLC official Dan Levin."

 

[Political Junky]

OMG this country is going back to a pre 9/11 mindset
how fucking stupid

LOL, like when Bush ignored all warnings about Al Qaeda and bin Laden?
"Bin Laden determined to strike in the United States."

 

[Fraulein Hilda]

OMG this country is going back to a pre 9/11 mindset
how fucking stupid

LOL, like when Bush ignored all warnings about Al Qaeda and bin Laden?
"Bin Laden determined to strike in the United States."

Can you be more specific? I mean, lacking the interrogation and eavesdropping techniques nobody wants to use now and everyone claims they did not want to use them?

 

[Gunny]

A completely ridiculous assertion which is based on the "blame America first" attitude of the far-left, of course... but wait, there's more!

Let's say it IS a recruiting tool. Okay..... So the answer is appeasement?

Remove it, just because the enemy doesn't like it. Great, and put the inmates into supermax. What if then, supermax becomes the recruitment tool?

Let them out of there too? Of course!

The precedent -- close the detention center because it's "become a rallying cry, a recruitment tool" -- opens the door to OBL or other IslamoNazi evildoers to say, "Well, that little deal of you supporting Israel for 50+ years is kind of annoying, we recruit from that. You won't let us kill them."

Ok, P00F goes Israel support. Next item.

"Well, this little habit you all have, of growing pork in massive amounts and eating it, and shipping it all over the world, this angers us."

No problem! End all pork production, consumption, export and import! Next!

"We... and this has been a recruiting tool for thousands of years.... We really DO need the world to convert to Islam....."

Uh huh.

This happens because the far-left does not recognize a large difference between good and evil. It's nothing but a huge gray area to them, there's really no true good or true evil in the world. This is why they do not understand evil and why they don't understand you cannot appease it!

Stop this appeasement nonsense before it starts. President Obama, re-think your bogus position on closing Guantanamo, and cease the stupid blather about it being a "recruitment tool" to justify it.. It's a completely foolish reason no matter if you're right or wrong about it as a recruitment tool. So what if it is! They don't NEED one, they have many! Our very existence is the recruitment tool!

It's really not important for Eurotrash to like us, and it's counter-productive to try to get the IslamoNazis to like us. You're not some lonely undergrad anymore, striving to be "the cool kid" like you wrote in your book. You are the leader of the free world, supposed to be standing up against the evil in the world not coddling it.

Agreed. GTMO is a detention facility for people who have been or are suspected of being ALREADY recruited.

That's like saying prisons are recruiting grounds for criminals -- trying to put the cart before the horse.

 

[Fraulein Hilda]

Obama's National Security Speech - Andy McCarthy - The Corner on National Review Online

It is also not true, no matter how many times Mr. Obama and his supporters repeat it, that Guantanamo Bay and enhanced interrogation (or “torture” as they call it) are primary drivers of terrorist recruitment. The principal exacerbating factor in recruitment is successful terrorist attacks. That is what convinces the undecided to join jihadist movements, and that is what the Bush administration’s approach prevented. And if the president truly insists on “transparency,” he should stop suppressing memoranda that detail the effectiveness of the CIA interrogation program. Given his decision to reveal CIA tactics, is it too much to ask that the American people be informed about what intelligence the program yielded?

 

[JW Frogen]

I would just as soon kill a man as lead him.


Sorry, I had a Clint Eastwood night last night.

 

[DiveCon]

OMG this country is going back to a pre 9/11 mindset
how fucking stupid

LOL, like when Bush ignored all warnings about Al Qaeda and bin Laden?
"Bin Laden determined to strike in the United States."

oh man, another braindead moron trying to make that july 2001 PDB into something it wasnt


there was NO, NONE, ZERO, Ziltch, actionable intel in that memo

 

[oreo]

GITMO-& the enhanced interrogation technics-has turned into a political tool for left wing nut cases. They in effect have polititized National Security. Nothing more.

I would have loved to have seen the look on Eric Holders face--when GERMANY--turned him down flat on taking ANY of these detainees into their country--after insisting--we close GITMO to regain our world-wide respect.

WHAT THESE LEFT WING NUT CASES DO NOT UNDERSTAND:

If these detainees end up in our prisons--in & around American prisoners--they will be the next "girlfriend" on the cell block. They will be beaten & tortured on a daily basis--& many of them probably killed. Therefore, to avoid this they will have to be locked up in total ISOLATION 24/7.

DUH!

 

[Political Junky]

A completely ridiculous assertion which is based on the "blame America first" attitude of the far-left, of course... but wait, there's more!

Let's say it IS a recruiting tool. Okay..... So the answer is appeasement?

Remove it, just because the enemy doesn't like it. Great, and put the inmates into supermax. What if then, supermax becomes the recruitment tool?

Let them out of there too? Of course!

The precedent -- close the detention center because it's "become a rallying cry, a recruitment tool" -- opens the door to OBL or other IslamoNazi evildoers to say, "Well, that little deal of you supporting Israel for 50+ years is kind of annoying, we recruit from that. You won't let us kill them."

Ok, P00F goes Israel support. Next item.

"Well, this little habit you all have, of growing pork in massive amounts and eating it, and shipping it all over the world, this angers us."

No problem! End all pork production, consumption, export and import! Next!

"We... and this has been a recruiting tool for thousands of years.... We really DO need the world to convert to Islam....."

Uh huh.

This happens because the far-left does not recognize a large difference between good and evil. It's nothing but a huge gray area to them, there's really no true good or true evil in the world. This is why they do not understand evil and why they don't understand you cannot appease it!

Stop this appeasement nonsense before it starts. President Obama, re-think your bogus position on closing Guantanamo, and cease the stupid blather about it being a "recruitment tool" to justify it.. It's a completely foolish reason no matter if you're right or wrong about it as a recruitment tool. So what if it is! They don't NEED one, they have many! Our very existence is the recruitment tool!

It's really not important for Eurotrash to like us, and it's counter-productive to try to get the IslamoNazis to like us. You're not some lonely undergrad anymore, striving to be "the cool kid" like you wrote in your book. You are the leader of the free world, supposed to be standing up against the evil in the world not coddling it.

GOP vs The Pentagon: Gen. Patraeus, Gates, and the Joint Chiefs of Staff want Gitmo closed.
The GOP differs, preferring to make it political with lots of scare tactics.

AP
Fri May 22, 4:27 pm ET
WASHINGTON – Defense Secretary Robert Gates says the Obama administration had no choice but to order the shutdown of the prison at Guantanamo because "the name itself is a condemnation" of U.S. anti-terrorism strategy. In an interview broadcast Friday on NBC's "Today" show, Gates called the facility on the island of Cuba "probably one of the finest prisons in the world today." But at the same time, he said it had become "a taint" on the reputation of America.

 

[Red Dawn]

"Guantanamo is a recruiting tool for terrorism"

A completely ridiculous assertion which is based on the "blame America first" attitude of the far-left, of course... .

The nations two top military men, who far from being marxist liberals, are die hard republicans disagree with you.

General Patreus and SecDef Bob Gates say Gitmo is a recruiting tool, and does more harm to us than good.

Who should I believe? General Patreus and SecDef Gates?

Or a repressed gay neocon message board poster who dresses in pink spandex?

 

[Fraulein Hilda]

Those two will say whatever their boss the POTUS tells them to.

Got any quotes indicating they were calling for Guantanamo's closing during the Bush administration, since they both worked for him?