Growing number of scientists are skeptics

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The alarmist contingent has to be stupified to see how much the worm has turned in recent years.
This is a must read for people wondering why global warming has now been eclipsed by virtually every other concern of the American citizen.

From the article...........yesterdays Wall Street Journal.................

The lack of warming for more than a decade—indeed, the smaller-than-predicted warming over the 22 years since the U.N.'s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) began issuing projections—suggests that computer models have greatly exaggerated how much warming additional CO2 can cause. Faced with this embarrassment, those promoting alarm have shifted their drumbeat from warming to weather extremes, to enable anything unusual that happens in our chaotic climate to be ascribed to CO2.

The fact is that CO2 is not a pollutant. CO2 is a colorless and odorless gas, exhaled at high concentrations by each of us, and a key component of the biosphere's life cycle. Plants do so much better with more CO2 that greenhouse operators often increase the CO2 concentrations by factors of three or four to get better growth. This is no surprise since plants and animals evolved when CO2 concentrations were about 10 times larger than they are today. Better plant varieties, chemical fertilizers and agricultural management contributed to the great increase in agricultural yields of the past century, but part of the increase almost certainly came from additional CO2 in the atmosphere.




Sixteen Concerned Scientists: No Need to Panic About Global Warming - WSJ.com


But most compelling is the whole "follow the money" dynamic. Its taken years for the majority to figure it out that this was and always will be nothing more than a well coordinated scam designed to provide methods for making government bigger and methods for redistributing wealth.

Its never had anything to do with "science".
 
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Granny ain't changin' her mind...
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The Climate Is Changing For Climate Skeptics
March 23, 2018 ― Climate change skeptics may have outlived their usefulness to the fossil fuel industry.
That was one of the key takeaways from a five-hour climate tutorial held Wednesday in U.S. District Court in San Francisco. Judge William Alsup, who has a history of digging into the scientific and technical details of the cases before him, ordered the tutorial to better understand climate science before presiding over a case in which the cities of San Francisco and Oakland are suing the five largest fossil fuel companies ― ExxonMobil, Chevron, BP, ConocoPhillips and Shell ― over the damages of climate change.

Although both sides presented the science that would seem to most help their cases, it was clear that the age of discrediting climate science in general is over. Faced with media investigations,fraud probes and at least a dozen climate liability suits from coastal cities facing large bills as they attempt to adapt to climate change-induced sea level rise, fossil fuel companies have been forced to move away from the position that climate science is invalid or that human-caused emissions don’t contribute to climate change. Instead, they’re focused on emphasizing a history of uncertainty in climate science, downplaying the severity of climate change and minimizing their role in it.

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In this California case, the oil companies are being accused of promoting doubt about climate science, which has delayed regulatory action and left coastal cities to deal with eroding coastlines, property loss and infrastructure damage. The state sees a precedent in its lead paint cases, “where we had to pay out a lot of money to address a damage created by a company, and so to hold those companies responsible we set up an account that they all paid into to cover those costs,” explained San Francisco City Attorney Dennis Herrera.

The writing has been on the wall for outright climate denial ever since documents unearthed by the attorneys general of Massachusetts and New York in an ExxonMobile fraud probe revealed it publicly promoted doubt about climate science even as its own scientists’ research showed otherwise.

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Well now, just why don't you tell that to all the Scientific Societies, all the National Academies of Science, and all the major Universities in the world. I haven't seen where any of them have changed their policies on this issue.
 
Granny says, "Dat's right...

... once her mind's made up...

... she ain't changin' it...

... no matter what the proof...

... evidence or facts.."
 
Well now, just why don't you tell that to all the Scientific Societies, all the National Academies of Science, and all the major Universities in the world. I haven't seen where any of them have changed their policies on this issue.
Lie #1.. Appeal to authorities even after they have been shown deceptive and untruthful..
 
Well now, just why don't you tell that to all the Scientific Societies, all the National Academies of Science, and all the major Universities in the world. I haven't seen where any of them have changed their policies on this issue.

Consensus fallacy doesn't help you.

Besides the rank and file members of the organizations never voted for it.
 
So far not a singe counterpoint to the article show up, just fallacies and baloney so far.

Gee maybe alarmists don't have anything to say after all?
 
So far not a singe counterpoint to the article show up, just fallacies and baloney so far.

Gee maybe alarmists don't have anything to say after all?
Pay attention dummy...the counterpoint to the lie in the title is that every major scientific society and all the liblished acience are still in agreement. This was already mentioned.
 
Well now, just why don't you tell that to all the Scientific Societies, all the National Academies of Science, and all the major Universities in the world. I haven't seen where any of them have changed their policies on this issue.

Consensus fallacy doesn't help you.

Besides the rank and file members of the organizations never voted for it.
On the contrary, they have. Members that disagree can run for the board, and if the members vote for enough of them, change policy. Hasn't happened in a single Scientific Society thus far.
 
Well now, just why don't you tell that to all the Scientific Societies, all the National Academies of Science, and all the major Universities in the world. I haven't seen where any of them have changed their policies on this issue.

But the more important question becomes which science is impacting public policy around the world? Because really nothing else matters. If you look at energy policy it is very clear the science supported by the skeptic contingent is what is being embraced. That is not even debatable.

For some reason that I can't quite understand progressives get all giddy about hanging banners and symbols up as progress. We are seeing it this weekend with the whole bogus gun control push. We saw it last year with the NFL kneel for the flag issue. The all cops are racist issue . Sure they make great headlines but zero impact on public policy....

The fact is the warmers have been taking bows for 20 years on their consensus.... but where is it mattering in the real world?

Lastly and most notably any astute student of this forum can see that the skeptic science contingent is always laughing and having fun in here while the alarmist side consistently displays anger and misery. Why? Because they know deep down they are not winning.:iyfyus.jpg:
 
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Growing number of scientists are skeptics

If you're not a skeptic, you're not a scientist. The scientific method will not function properly without skepticism.

It falls apart when the only way to get grant money is to guarantee an outcome that will please your sponsors.
 
You watch.... 5 years from now you come in here and these morons will still be posting up the same exact colorful graphs as you see today.... the same gay colorful graphs as we saw 5 years ago. Yet zero climate legislation in over 10 years.....:iyfyus.jpg:
 
So far not a singe counterpoint to the article show up, just fallacies and baloney so far.

Gee maybe alarmists don't have anything to say after all?
Pay attention dummy...the counterpoint to the lie in the title is that every major scientific society and all the liblished acience are still in agreement. This was already mentioned.
And yet none of them can show anyone where CO2 has driven past climate changes. :lol:
 
Dead on arrival replies from science free alarmists in vivid display:

Post 2 Waltky,

"The Climate Is Changing For Climate Skeptics
March 23, 2018 ― Climate change skeptics may have outlived their usefulness to the fossil fuel industry."

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Post 3 Old Rocks,

"Well now, just why don't you tell that to all the Scientific Societies, all the National Academies of Science, and all the major Universities in the world. I haven't seen where any of them have changed their policies on this issue."

Consensus Fallacy

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Post 4 Waltky again,

"Granny says, "Dat's right...

... once her mind's made up...

... she ain't changin' it...

... no matter what the proof...

... evidence or facts.."

Gibberish nonsense
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Post 8 Fort Fun Indiana,

"Pay attention dummy...the counterpoint to the lie in the title is that every major scientific society and all the liblished acience are still in agreement. This was already mentioned."

Consensus Fallacy
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Post 9 Old Rocks,

"On the contrary, they have. Members that disagree can run for the board, and if the members vote for enough of them, change policy. Hasn't happened in a single Scientific Society thus far."

Consensus Fallacy
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Not once have any of these alarmists bother to reply to post 1 article in any form of a counterpoint. Apparently this is too hard for them to answer,

"The lack of warming for more than a decade—indeed, the smaller-than-predicted warming over the 22 years since the U.N.'s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) began issuing projections—suggests that computer models have greatly exaggerated how much warming additional CO2 can cause. Faced with this embarrassment, those promoting alarm have shifted their drumbeat from warming to weather extremes, to enable anything unusual that happens in our chaotic climate to be ascribed to CO2.

The fact is that CO2 is not a pollutant. CO2 is a colorless and odorless gas, exhaled at high concentrations by each of us, and a key component of the biosphere's life cycle. Plants do so much better with more CO2 that greenhouse operators often increase the CO2 concentrations by factors of three or four to get better growth. This is no surprise since plants and animals evolved when CO2 concentrations were about 10 times larger than they are today. Better plant varieties, chemical fertilizers and agricultural management contributed to the great increase in agricultural yields of the past century, but part of the increase almost certainly came from additional CO2 in the atmosphere."
 
Government grants and political agenda are serious motivating factors. Globalist "scientists" will come up with any conclusion the government pays for even if it means fudging data as long as the money keeps flowing and the political agenda (usually condemning the U.S.) is reached. I read an account about "Neanderthal" DNA where a couple of universities were competing about the data. One group of "scientists" fudged data and faked evidence in order to be first to publish. There is no official designation of "scientist". They are all human and like that extra money and 98% of university based "scientists" are liberal globalists. The end justifies the means and sometimes they will cheat. Global Warming is a theory because it isn't proven.
 
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Well now, just why don't you tell that to all the Scientific Societies, all the National Academies of Science, and all the major Universities in the world. I haven't seen where any of them have changed their policies on this issue.
Lie #1.. Appeal to authorities even after they have been shown deceptive and untruthful..
And he never wants to talk about the bodies of scientists who make up those academies...all those rank and file scientists who aren't on board with the political heads of said academies...
 
So far not a singe counterpoint to the article show up, just fallacies and baloney so far.

Gee maybe alarmists don't have anything to say after all?
Pay attention dummy...the counterpoint to the lie in the title is that every major scientific society and all the liblished acience are still in agreement. This was already mentioned.

And the fallacy continues....got a single piece of evidence from any of those academies that supports AGW over natural variability? Didn't think so.
 
So far not a singe counterpoint to the article show up, just fallacies and baloney so far.

Gee maybe alarmists don't have anything to say after all?
Pay attention dummy...the counterpoint to the lie in the title is that every major scientific society and all the liblished acience are still in agreement. This was already mentioned.

And the fallacy continues....got a single piece of evidence from any of those academies that supports AGW over natural variability? Didn't think so.

He runs off at the mouth like a school child, which is why he has nothing to offer in science arguments.
 

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