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actually, to be fair, Iraq was just a continuation of Desert Storm, since that was only a ceasefireah, you must think ALL wars are elective, thenYes, elective.
To be fair, it was one elective war. Afghanistan was justified, Our Fearless Leaders just screwed the pooch.
actually, to be fair, Iraq was just a continuation of Desert Storm, since that was only a ceasefireah, you must think ALL wars are elective, then
To be fair, it was one elective war. Afghanistan was justified, Our Fearless Leaders just screwed the pooch.
so the war was already started
Desert Storm was elective as well. Kuwait is not part of the US.
yes, procedural, but still the factsactually, to be fair, Iraq was just a continuation of Desert Storm, since that was only a ceasefireTo be fair, it was one elective war. Afghanistan was justified, Our Fearless Leaders just screwed the pooch.
so the war was already started
Procedural not substantive, and I know you're smart enough to know it.
yes, procedural, but still the factsactually, to be fair, Iraq was just a continuation of Desert Storm, since that was only a ceasefire
so the war was already started
Procedural not substantive, and I know you're smart enough to know it.
same thing if the situation in Korea were to turn hot
it would be a continuation of the war that was started back in the 50's
um, if it goes hot, you dont really have time for all that formalityyes, procedural, but still the factsProcedural not substantive, and I know you're smart enough to know it.
same thing if the situation in Korea were to turn hot
it would be a continuation of the war that was started back in the 50's
So a 50+ year old cease fire means...what? We wouldn't have to go to the trouble of making a formal declaration of police action all over again? Substantively, what kind of rationale for war is that? It's not even an easy button.
Desert Storm was elective as well. Kuwait is not part of the US.
I don't agree with that, veritas. We had, unfortunately, a vital national interest at stake as well as a debt of honor to an ally and our agreements. We were also not the aggressor, which makes a huge difference.
But I think we might be derailing the htread here.
Madison Ave is "less fortunate" now? You're cracked.
You have no idea how to follow the money, thanks for proving that. They spend money which they have already paid taxes, that's their right, same as you. They don't write off all that you seem to think they do.
Why wouldn't they write off everything they can? "Donations" to non-profits are tax deductible, even if those non-profits are furthering their causes.
um, if it goes hot, you dont really have time for all that formalityyes, procedural, but still the facts
same thing if the situation in Korea were to turn hot
it would be a continuation of the war that was started back in the 50's
So a 50+ year old cease fire means...what? We wouldn't have to go to the trouble of making a formal declaration of police action all over again? Substantively, what kind of rationale for war is that? It's not even an easy button.
Desert Storm was elective as well. Kuwait is not part of the US.
I don't agree with that, veritas. We had, unfortunately, a vital national interest at stake as well as a debt of honor to an ally and our agreements. We were also not the aggressor, which makes a huge difference.
But I think we might be derailing the htread here.
The only reason we had interests was in favor of corporatists after Kuwait's natural resources.
Truth be told, Iraq may have been justified. It's a complicated subject but it amounts to us enforcing the title to the boundaries set forth when Iraq was assembled. Not our business really.
and on THAT i can totally agreeI don't agree with that, veritas. We had, unfortunately, a vital national interest at stake as well as a debt of honor to an ally and our agreements. We were also not the aggressor, which makes a huge difference.
But I think we might be derailing the htread here.
The only reason we had interests was in favor of corporatists after Kuwait's natural resources.
Truth be told, Iraq may have been justified. It's a complicated subject but it amounts to us enforcing the title to the boundaries set forth when Iraq was assembled. Not our business really.
Again I disagree. Iraq's claim to Kuwait was akin to Denmark claiming the US and Canada on the strength of the Viking settlements. I'll agree the way borders were drawn throughout the ME was, for lack of a better term, a chop job by people who largely didn't know or care to know what they were messing with. But that doesn't give Iraq a colorable claim.
and on THAT i can totally agreeThe only reason we had interests was in favor of corporatists after Kuwait's natural resources.
Truth be told, Iraq may have been justified. It's a complicated subject but it amounts to us enforcing the title to the boundaries set forth when Iraq was assembled. Not our business really.
Again I disagree. Iraq's claim to Kuwait was akin to Denmark claiming the US and Canada on the strength of the Viking settlements. I'll agree the way borders were drawn throughout the ME was, for lack of a better term, a chop job by people who largely didn't know or care to know what they were messing with. But that doesn't give Iraq a colorable claim.
yeah, and i have to wonder why this group just saw that it was a problemand on THAT i can totally agreeAgain I disagree. Iraq's claim to Kuwait was akin to Denmark claiming the US and Canada on the strength of the Viking settlements. I'll agree the way borders were drawn throughout the ME was, for lack of a better term, a chop job by people who largely didn't know or care to know what they were messing with. But that doesn't give Iraq a colorable claim.
Anyway, with the national debt as obscene as it is, I don't know that we can afford any more foreign adventures anytime soon. (Nudge back to topic)
yeah, and i have to wonder why this group just saw that it was a problemand on THAT i can totally agree
Anyway, with the national debt as obscene as it is, I don't know that we can afford any more foreign adventures anytime soon. (Nudge back to topic)
where have they been for the last 8 years, hell, the last 50 years
yeah, and i have to wonder why this group just saw that it was a problemand on THAT i can totally agree
Anyway, with the national debt as obscene as it is, I don't know that we can afford any more foreign adventures anytime soon. (Nudge back to topic)
where have they been for the last 8 years, hell, the last 50 years
the point is, they are a bit late to the partyyeah, and i have to wonder why this group just saw that it was a problemAnyway, with the national debt as obscene as it is, I don't know that we can afford any more foreign adventures anytime soon. (Nudge back to topic)
where have they been for the last 8 years, hell, the last 50 years
Where have they been? Maybe it's just time someone took the bull by the horns. Ever heard that saying? Maybe someone is finally standing up and saying ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! True obama inherited a massive debt, but he has QUADRUPLED it, and is doing his DAMN BEST to MAKE IT EVEN BIGGER! What part about that escapes you people acting as though this GARGANTUAN, MONSTROUS, CRIPPLING and STILL GROWING DEBT is something that we can just BLOW OFF? WE CAN'T! We need to tell the government to STOP... STOP SPENDING MONEY... THERE ISN'T ANYMORE... YOU'VE SPENT IT ALL AND THEN SOME!!!
So personally, I don't give a rats ass WHO is trying to educate the public about how bad the debt is, JUST AS LONG AS SOMEONE IS DOING IT... BECAUSE IT NEEDS TO BE DONE!
the point is, they are a bit late to the partyyeah, and i have to wonder why this group just saw that it was a problem
where have they been for the last 8 years, hell, the last 50 years
Where have they been? Maybe it's just time someone took the bull by the horns. Ever heard that saying? Maybe someone is finally standing up and saying ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! True obama inherited a massive debt, but he has QUADRUPLED it, and is doing his DAMN BEST to MAKE IT EVEN BIGGER! What part about that escapes you people acting as though this GARGANTUAN, MONSTROUS, CRIPPLING and STILL GROWING DEBT is something that we can just BLOW OFF? WE CAN'T! We need to tell the government to STOP... STOP SPENDING MONEY... THERE ISN'T ANYMORE... YOU'VE SPENT IT ALL AND THEN SOME!!!
So personally, I don't give a rats ass WHO is trying to educate the public about how bad the debt is, JUST AS LONG AS SOMEONE IS DOING IT... BECAUSE IT NEEDS TO BE DONE!
the point is, they are a bit late to the partyWhere have they been? Maybe it's just time someone took the bull by the horns. Ever heard that saying? Maybe someone is finally standing up and saying ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! True obama inherited a massive debt, but he has QUADRUPLED it, and is doing his DAMN BEST to MAKE IT EVEN BIGGER! What part about that escapes you people acting as though this GARGANTUAN, MONSTROUS, CRIPPLING and STILL GROWING DEBT is something that we can just BLOW OFF? WE CAN'T! We need to tell the government to STOP... STOP SPENDING MONEY... THERE ISN'T ANYMORE... YOU'VE SPENT IT ALL AND THEN SOME!!!
So personally, I don't give a rats ass WHO is trying to educate the public about how bad the debt is, JUST AS LONG AS SOMEONE IS DOING IT... BECAUSE IT NEEDS TO BE DONE!
Who gives a shit... it's better LATE than NEVER. And don't tell me we can just continue the insane spending, because we CAN'T. We've finally reached the point where there's imminent collapse on the very near horizon.
