CDZ Grounds for Impeachment and Conviction

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    Suppose Congress buys the argument that the POTUS cannot commit obstruction of justice can they impeach and convict him for doing that which would be obstruction of justice by anyone else?

    Would a POTUS have to be considered guilty beyond a reasonable doubt to be convicted when impeached of whatever the charge is?
     
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    no

    The congress can impeach and convict for anything they wish to impeach and convict.

    The matter of whether they'd want to is the question.
     
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    You mean the liberals
     
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    Do your research before you say absolutely idiotic things like this .... you couldn't be more wrong. Frankly, you should be embarrassed.
     
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    Conviction and impeachment are two different things.
    The president of the United States can be impeached by the House but that does not remove the president from office...
    The charge of interfering with an investigation can't be used in this case like the firing of Comey for example because the firing of the FBI director is a legal and granted authority of the president...
    By the way if the House impeaches the president for nonsensical reasons they will pay dearly in the next election and most likely the president they wanted to impeach......
    will serve his or her full term....
     
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    Here are a couple of quotes from an article that explains the impeachment process simply and well:
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    In practice, the House investigates whether impeachment charges would be warranted. If it determines that charges are warranted, articles of impeachment are drafted that specify the various charges against the officer in question and those are voted on by the whole House. Once the Senate receives articles of impeachment from the House, it organizes itself into a court. Senators take an oath to do “impartial justice according to the Constitution and the laws” when sitting as judges in that court, and the chief justice of the United States presides over the court in the case of an impeachment of the president.
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    The House and Senate have generally taken a broader view of the impeachment power. If an officer has committed specific and serious bad acts that are fundamentally inconsistent with the requirements of their office or the expectations of the public trust, then the House and Senate have tended to be open to evaluating those as potentially impeachable offenses.
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    How Would Impeachment Work?
     
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    No. Impeachment and conviction is something Congress can do without regard to the U.S. Code. Impeachment and conviction by Congress is a political matter not a legal one.
     
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    Impeachment failed. Will democrats consider that they shot their wad and move on to something more important?
     
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    A naive, and incorrect, opinion ----- impeachment and conviction is steeped in English law, and is very specifically defined.

    "The last section of Article II, Section 4, deals specifically with the grounds for impeachment: The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors."

    In fact, the term "high crimes and misdemeanors" is a commonly recognized description of a specific set of criminal activities. The charge of high crimes and misdemeanors covers allegations of misconduct peculiar to officials, such as perjury of oath, abuse of authority, bribery, intimidation, misuse of assets, failure to supervise, dereliction of duty, unbecoming conduct, and refusal to obey a lawful order.

    The concept that the president could be impeached and convicted for a traffic ticket, or actions prior to his term, or any of the other nonsense being perpetuated by the media - and every self-ordained legal expert - is, simply, nonsense.

    What SHOULD scare you is the ignorance of many of the members of congress who purvey this ignorance and disinformation as if it is true. (Yeah, I'm looking at you, Al Green ... you, too, Henny Stoyer ... and, of course, at you -though, it hurts my eyes - Maxine Waters)
     
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    Impeachment?

    Is the left sufficiently ready for civil war to give it a shot?
     

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