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You mean there were only 50,000 vikings at that time?
Eastern Settlement - Norse Settlement of Greenland
Eventually, the Eastern Settlement grew to ~200-500 (estimates vary) farmsteads, an Augustinian monastery, a Benedictine convent and 12 parish churches, accounting for perhaps as many as 4000-5000 individuals. Norsemen in Greenland were primarily farmers, raising cattle, sheep and goats, but supplementing that regimen with local marine and terrestrial fauna, trading polar bear fur, narwhal ivory and falcons for grain and metals from Iceland and eventually Norway. Although there were recorded attempts to grow barley, they were never successful.
There is towns and cities within Greenland today with them wanting their own control over their country? As of 2010 there is 56 thousand people in Greenland. That proves that it is as warm or warmer then it was in the mid evil?
No it doesn't. Greenland is allready largely self governing (though still a posession of Denmark). In fact they pulled out of the EU almost from the beginning. The newest population (Thule Culture) only moved back to Greenland after the end of the Little Ice Age.
There is towns and cities within Greenland today with them wanting their own control over their country? As of 2010 there is 56 thousand people in Greenland. That proves that it is as warm or warmer then it was in the mid evil?
No it doesn't. Greenland is allready largely self governing (though still a posession of Denmark). In fact they pulled out of the EU almost from the beginning. The newest population (Thule Culture) only moved back to Greenland after the end of the Little Ice Age.
People lived there in the mid evil warm period and people can live there today. Both periods are warm enough for people to survive and make their lifes in Greenland. Must be much a like in the climate.
The vikings thrived there growing wheat and raising cattle for hundreds of years, and they named it "greenland" for a reason, same reason they named Nova Scotis "vynland" where you couldn't grow a grape now if you built a greenhose (yeah thats a bit of hyperbole---but grapes don't grow there)well since a thousand years ago greenland was GREEN land I suppose the proof is that it has no ice cap now... oh, wait... damn...I agree west. The rate would have to go into the stratosphere. This is hype.
For one who to say that the decrease of ice within Greenland couldn't turn around and start increasing within the next few hundred years?
It's hype and its garbage, which is all you get from models, garbage to hype.
No, greenland was never green. At the very best during the MWP, it was marginally habitable.
Not even close.There is towns and cities within Greenland today with them wanting their own control over their country? As of 2010 there is 56 thousand people in Greenland. That proves that it is as warm or warmer then it was in the mid evil?
No it doesn't. Greenland is allready largely self governing (though still a posession of Denmark). In fact they pulled out of the EU almost from the beginning. The newest population (Thule Culture) only moved back to Greenland after the end of the Little Ice Age.
People lived there in the mid evil warm period and people can live there today. Both periods are warm enough for people to survive and make their lifes in Greenland. Must be much a like in the climate.
The vikings thrived there growing wheat and raising cattle for hundreds of years, and they named it "greenland" for a reason, same reason they named Nova Scotis "vynland" where you couldn't grow a grape now if you built a greenhose (yeah thats a bit of hyperbole---but grapes don't grow there)well since a thousand years ago greenland was GREEN land I suppose the proof is that it has no ice cap now... oh, wait... damn...
It's hype and its garbage, which is all you get from models, garbage to hype.
No, greenland was never green. At the very best during the MWP, it was marginally habitable.
The vikings thrived there growing wheat and raising cattle for hundreds of years, and they named it "greenland" for a reason, same reason they named Nova Scotis "vynland" where you couldn't grow a grape now if you built a greenhose (yeah thats a bit of hyperbole---but grapes don't grow there)well since a thousand years ago greenland was GREEN land I suppose the proof is that it has no ice cap now... oh, wait... damn...
It's hype and its garbage, which is all you get from models, garbage to hype.
No, greenland was never green. At the very best during the MWP, it was marginally habitable.
Honestly man, that's just dumb. Their are records of their lives and records recording their demise. Greenland was warmer then as was Vynland. The MWP is well documented and the science is all in agreement... it was a little warmer then than it is now. Whats more it was warmer for thousands of years during the holocene maxima or climactic optima, in fact the holocene has been warmer than it is now more than its been colder, and during each warm period man thrived, durring the cold periods we died off a little. BTW, iceland wasn't all that icy then either, much less so than today.The vikings thrived there growing wheat and raising cattle for hundreds of years, and they named it "greenland" for a reason, same reason they named Nova Scotis "vynland" where you couldn't grow a grape now if you built a greenhose (yeah thats a bit of hyperbole---but grapes don't grow there)No, greenland was never green. At the very best during the MWP, it was marginally habitable.
They named it "Greenland" the way modern real estate charlatans call swampland "Happy Acres"! Do you think the would have gotten any settlers, if the called it "Icier-than-Icceland"?
the Inuit colonized the whole arctic region back then. of course they were smart enough to hunt what was available rather than grow crops and live in large villages.
education is your friendThe vikings thrived there growing wheat and raising cattle for hundreds of years, and they named it "greenland" for a reason, same reason they named Nova Scotis "vynland" where you couldn't grow a grape now if you built a greenhose (yeah thats a bit of hyperbole---but grapes don't grow there)No, greenland was never green. At the very best during the MWP, it was marginally habitable.
The Viking never grew wheat in Greenland, if fact, they could not even grow barley or rye.
The Little Ice Age in Europe - Influence of Dramatic Climate Shifts on European Civilizations: The Rise and Fall of the Vikings and the Little Ice AgePeople keep records of their most important crops, grapes for wine-making being no exception. Ladurie (1971) notes that there were many "bad years" for wine during the LIA in France and surrounding countries due to very late harvests and very wet summers. The cultivation of grapes was extensive throughout the southern portion of England from about 1100-1300. This area is about 300 miles farther north than the areas in France and Germany that grow grapes today. Grapes were also grown in northern France and Germany at that time, areas which even today do not sustain commercial vineyards.
I used to go to Ittoqqortoormiit every year for vacation.You know, when i reach 91, I will want to visit sunny climes and relax in my speedos in the warm sands of Ittoqqortoormiit
This is the figure given by most people. And the viking culture was not just in Norway alone, so your figures for the total viking populaton is far too low.
History of Greenland - Definition
This colony reached a size of 3,000 to 5,000 people, initially in two settlements the larger Eastern Settlement and the Western Settlement (of a peak size of about 1,000 people). At least 400 farms are known. This is a significant colony (the population of modern Greenland is only 56,000) and it carried on trade in ivory from walrus tusks with Europe as well as exporting rope, sheep, seals and cattle hides according to one 13th century account. The colony depended on Europe for iron and perhaps timber. Trade ships traveled to Greenland each year.
The last written records of the Greenlandic Vikings are from a 1408 marriage in the church of Hvalsey today the most well-preserved of the Norse ruins.In 1126, a diocese was founded at Garðar (now Igaliku). It was subject to the Norwegian archdiocese in Trondheim; at least five churches in Viking Greenland are known from archeological remains. In 1261, the population accepted the overlordship of the Norwegian King as well, although it continued to have its own law. In 1380 this kingdom entered into a personal union with the Kingdom of Denmark.
The Scandinavian colony did not thrive however. The Western Settlement was abandoned around 1350. In 1378, there was no longer a bishop at Garðar. After 1408 when a marriage was recorded, no written records mention the settlers. It is probable that the Eastern Settlement was defunct by the late 15th century although no exact date has been established. The most recent radiocarbon date found in Norse settlements as of 2002 was 1430 ± 15 years.1 Probably a climatic change brought about the disappearance of the settlement; another theory is that the soil became over-exploited until it gave less harvest. Another contributing cause that has been suggested is that the Saharan ivory trade undermined the market for walrus ivory. Lack of adaptability to changing conditions has been partially refuted by new research that showed that the Norse changed from a diet of 80% farm food at settlement to one of 80% marine food before the end.1 Other theories have included population depletion from the Black Death, or with Basque or English pirates
education is your friendThe vikings thrived there growing wheat and raising cattle for hundreds of years, and they named it "greenland" for a reason, same reason they named Nova Scotis "vynland" where you couldn't grow a grape now if you built a greenhose (yeah thats a bit of hyperbole---but grapes don't grow there)
The Viking never grew wheat in Greenland, if fact, they could not even grow barley or rye.
The Little Ice Age in Europe - Influence of Dramatic Climate Shifts on European Civilizations: The Rise and Fall of the Vikings and the Little Ice AgePeople keep records of their most important crops, grapes for wine-making being no exception. Ladurie (1971) notes that there were many "bad years" for wine during the LIA in France and surrounding countries due to very late harvests and very wet summers. The cultivation of grapes was extensive throughout the southern portion of England from about 1100-1300. This area is about 300 miles farther north than the areas in France and Germany that grow grapes today. Grapes were also grown in northern France and Germany at that time, areas which even today do not sustain commercial vineyards.
education is your friendThe vikings thrived there growing wheat and raising cattle for hundreds of years, and they named it "greenland" for a reason, same reason they named Nova Scotis "vynland" where you couldn't grow a grape now if you built a greenhose (yeah thats a bit of hyperbole---but grapes don't grow there)
The Viking never grew wheat in Greenland, if fact, they could not even grow barley or rye.
The Little Ice Age in Europe - Influence of Dramatic Climate Shifts on European Civilizations: The Rise and Fall of the Vikings and the Little Ice AgePeople keep records of their most important crops, grapes for wine-making being no exception. Ladurie (1971) notes that there were many "bad years" for wine during the LIA in France and surrounding countries due to very late harvests and very wet summers. The cultivation of grapes was extensive throughout the southern portion of England from about 1100-1300. This area is about 300 miles farther north than the areas in France and Germany that grow grapes today. Grapes were also grown in northern France and Germany at that time, areas which even today do not sustain commercial vineyards.
education is your friendThe Viking never grew wheat in Greenland, if fact, they could not even grow barley or rye.
The Little Ice Age in Europe - Influence of Dramatic Climate Shifts on European Civilizations: The Rise and Fall of the Vikings and the Little Ice AgePeople keep records of their most important crops, grapes for wine-making being no exception. Ladurie (1971) notes that there were many "bad years" for wine during the LIA in France and surrounding countries due to very late harvests and very wet summers. The cultivation of grapes was extensive throughout the southern portion of England from about 1100-1300. This area is about 300 miles farther north than the areas in France and Germany that grow grapes today. Grapes were also grown in northern France and Germany at that time, areas which even today do not sustain commercial vineyards.
The Vineyards of England and Wales - on www.English-Wine.com
The Vineyards of England and Wales
There are nearly 400 commercial vineyards in England and Wales covering approximately 2000 acres of land in total. Nearly all are in the southern half of England and Wales. Most English and Welsh vineyards are small (less than 5 acres), many very small (less than 1 acre). Only a small number exceed 25 acres and just a handful 50 acres. The largest (Denbies, Dorking, Surrey) has around 200 acres of vines under cultivation.
The following listings of English and Welsh vineyards give contact and, in some cases, opening details. You can select vineyards from the counties index or just scroll down to see the full list.
It is always wise to telephone first to check that a vineyard will actually be open when you wish to visit - some only accept visitors by such prior arrangement. Nearly all vineyards give tastings of their wines - some charge for a vineyard tour and tastings. Where there are special facilities or attractions these are indicated. Some vineyards have their own detailed websites and in some cases links are to them are shown.
Old Rocks knows there was no Medieval Warm Period because Mann proved there wasn't. Why are you trying to confuse him?
Old Rocks knows there was no Medieval Warm Period because Mann proved there wasn't. Why are you trying to confuse him?
If the little ice age and med evil warm period Where caused by the sun...Then it was planet wide, but if it was caused by a shut down of the gulf stream or blocking-then the warmers could be right about it being just european and nothing more. Remember this is planet wide..Even Global warming has much of its warming within the arctic and very tiny amounts within the tropics. Only a few ways to warm a planet 1# Increase the stars output going to the planet, 2# change the reflectivity of the planet(less ice to reflect the energy back into space), 3# Increase green house gas to trap out going energy and cause a imbalance .
If it was our sun being super inactive, which I believe to be so...Then those periods could of been planet wide. If not then european event.
There is no question in my mind that they occurred. They are fact.
