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Greenland close to unavoidable meltdown
Foto: JOHN MCCONNICO (arkivfoto)/AP

AF Julian Isherwood

The result of an international scientific paper, based on data and models from the Danish Meteorological Institute, is suggesting that an eventual meltdown of Greenland’s ice-cap is almost unavoidable.

According to the model used in a paper published in the Journal of Hydrometeorology, irrespective of how much CO2 emissions are limited, Greenland will reach a point of no return in 2040 at the latest.

“This is a very worrying result as it shows that melting can go a lot quicker than we normally think,” says one of the report’s co-authors, Jens Hesselbjerg Christensen.

The report, entitled “Greenland Ice Sheet Surface Mass-Balance Modeling in a 131-Yr Perspective, 1950–2080” and prepared by research centres at the University of Alaska Fairbanks, the University of Colorado and the Danish Meteorological Institute says that the ice-cap mass balance: “was close to equilibrium during the relatively cold 1970s and 1980s and lost mass rapidly as the climate warmed in the 1990s and 2000s with no indication of deceleration”.

“It is essential to predict and assess the impact of future climate on the Greenland Ice Sheet (GRIS), which is believed to be influenced by human activities. We must establish the present and future state of the GrIS surface melt extent and surface mass balance, including freshwater flux,to detect warning signs indicative of its future response,” the report says.

After 2040, on a time scale of 1,000 years ahead, it will not be possible for the giant Greenland ice-cap to be re-created and return to current levels.

“Over the next 30 years the amount of snowfall will not compensate for melting,” Hesselbjerg Christensen tells pol.dk adding: “Based on our model, I would almost say that the point of no return has already been passed. Our result shows in principle that permanent meltdown is unavoidable.”

Hesselbjerg Christensen is head of Denmark’s Climate Centre and is a co-author of the latest UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) report on regional climate change.

He says, however, that according to the model it will take more than 1,000 years before the Greenland ice-cap has more or less disappeared.

“If Greenland’s ice-cap melted completely, it would result in a 6-7 metre increase in world sea levels,” Hesselbjerg Christensen says.

Greenland close to unavoidable meltdown - Politiken.dk

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Posting because it is important to debate these issues. Show them right or wrong. :tongue:
 
It's not worth the time Matthew. More hyperbole and frankly his numbers are so far off as to be silly. If they started melting at the highest rate ever recorded it would take 16,000 years for the Greenland ice sheet to melt. This guy is a fool.
 
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It's not worth the time Matthew. More hyperbole and frankly his numbers are so far off as to be silly. If they started melting at the highest rate ever recorded it would take 16,000 years for the Greenland ice sheet to melt. This guy is a fool.



I agree west. The rate would have to go into the stratosphere. This is hype.

For one who to say that the decrease of ice within Greenland couldn't turn around and start increasing within the next few hundred years?
 
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Holy Crap...this photo just on from Greenland...it seems the ice shield melted in about 20 minutes...incredible!!!
 

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Greenland close to unavoidable meltdown
Foto: JOHN MCCONNICO (arkivfoto)/AP

AF Julian Isherwood

The result of an international scientific paper, based on data and models from the Danish Meteorological Institute, is suggesting that an eventual meltdown of Greenland’s ice-cap is almost unavoidable.

According to the model used in a paper published in the Journal of Hydrometeorology, irrespective of how much CO2 emissions are limited, Greenland will reach a point of no return in 2040 at the latest.

“This is a very worrying result as it shows that melting can go a lot quicker than we normally think,” says one of the report’s co-authors, Jens Hesselbjerg Christensen.

The report, entitled “Greenland Ice Sheet Surface Mass-Balance Modeling in a 131-Yr Perspective, 1950–2080” and prepared by research centres at the University of Alaska Fairbanks, the University of Colorado and the Danish Meteorological Institute says that the ice-cap mass balance: “was close to equilibrium during the relatively cold 1970s and 1980s and lost mass rapidly as the climate warmed in the 1990s and 2000s with no indication of deceleration”.

“It is essential to predict and assess the impact of future climate on the Greenland Ice Sheet (GRIS), which is believed to be influenced by human activities. We must establish the present and future state of the GrIS surface melt extent and surface mass balance, including freshwater flux,to detect warning signs indicative of its future response,” the report says.

After 2040, on a time scale of 1,000 years ahead, it will not be possible for the giant Greenland ice-cap to be re-created and return to current levels.

“Over the next 30 years the amount of snowfall will not compensate for melting,” Hesselbjerg Christensen tells pol.dk adding: “Based on our model, I would almost say that the point of no return has already been passed. Our result shows in principle that permanent meltdown is unavoidable.”

Hesselbjerg Christensen is head of Denmark’s Climate Centre and is a co-author of the latest UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) report on regional climate change.

He says, however, that according to the model it will take more than 1,000 years before the Greenland ice-cap has more or less disappeared.

“If Greenland’s ice-cap melted completely, it would result in a 6-7 metre increase in world sea levels,” Hesselbjerg Christensen says.

Greenland close to unavoidable meltdown - Politiken.dk

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Posting because it is important to debate these issues. Show them right or wrong. :tongue:
When they can model something that actually happens let us know.

Models... LOL.
 
One thousand years does seem very fast. However, it took only ten to eleven thousand years for the continental glaciers in North America to melt, and that was a lot more ice than Greenland has.

At this point, our understanding of the mechanics of the melting of huge volumes of ice is hardly advanced enough to create any kind of accurate model.
 
If that happens it's going to suck for people alive in 2040.

Beyond that who among us is TRULY qualified to comment on the veractiy of their model?

No one of us, I think.
 
It's not worth the time Matthew. More hyperbole and frankly his numbers are so far off as to be silly. If they started melting at the highest rate ever recorded it would take 16,000 years for the Greenland ice sheet to melt. This guy is a fool.



I agree west. The rate would have to go into the stratosphere. This is hype.

For one who to say that the decrease of ice within Greenland couldn't turn around and start increasing within the next few hundred years?
well since a thousand years ago greenland was GREEN land I suppose the proof is that it has no ice cap now... oh, wait... damn...

It's hype and its garbage, which is all you get from models, garbage to hype.
 
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It's not worth the time Matthew. More hyperbole and frankly his numbers are so far off as to be silly. If they started melting at the highest rate ever recorded it would take 16,000 years for the Greenland ice sheet to melt. This guy is a fool.



I agree west. The rate would have to go into the stratosphere. This is hype.

For one who to say that the decrease of ice within Greenland couldn't turn around and start increasing within the next few hundred years?
well since a thousand years ago greenland was GREEN land I suppose the proof is that it has no ice cap now... oh, wait... damn...

It's hype and its garbage, which is all you get from models, garbage to hype.

No, greenland was never green. At the very best during the MWP, it was marginally habitable.
 
Yeah, well......ummm............I just posted up the thread to end all threads on this forum. This is a load of total crap............TOTAL CRAP.

The odds of a warmer future = One in Ten Thousand:fu::fu::fu:

And you know what? Im posting up that link EVERY SINGLE TIME I see a new thread by the k00ks.

EVERY SINGLE TIME:D:lmao::funnyface::boobies::D:lmao::funnyface::boobies::fu:
 
I agree west. The rate would have to go into the stratosphere. This is hype.

For one who to say that the decrease of ice within Greenland couldn't turn around and start increasing within the next few hundred years?
well since a thousand years ago greenland was GREEN land I suppose the proof is that it has no ice cap now... oh, wait... damn...

It's hype and its garbage, which is all you get from models, garbage to hype.

No, greenland was never green. At the very best during the MWP, it was marginally habitable.




It prospered for over 500 years and was successful enough to launch its own colonisation of North America. At its height it had over 10% of the total population of Vikings in the world. Hardly "marginally habitable".
 
You mean there were only 50,000 vikings at that time?

Eastern Settlement - Norse Settlement of Greenland

Eventually, the Eastern Settlement grew to ~200-500 (estimates vary) farmsteads, an Augustinian monastery, a Benedictine convent and 12 parish churches, accounting for perhaps as many as 4000-5000 individuals. Norsemen in Greenland were primarily farmers, raising cattle, sheep and goats, but supplementing that regimen with local marine and terrestrial fauna, trading polar bear fur, narwhal ivory and falcons for grain and metals from Iceland and eventually Norway. Although there were recorded attempts to grow barley, they were never successful.
 
You mean there were only 50,000 vikings at that time?

Eastern Settlement - Norse Settlement of Greenland

Eventually, the Eastern Settlement grew to ~200-500 (estimates vary) farmsteads, an Augustinian monastery, a Benedictine convent and 12 parish churches, accounting for perhaps as many as 4000-5000 individuals. Norsemen in Greenland were primarily farmers, raising cattle, sheep and goats, but supplementing that regimen with local marine and terrestrial fauna, trading polar bear fur, narwhal ivory and falcons for grain and metals from Iceland and eventually Norway. Although there were recorded attempts to grow barley, they were never successful.




More recent estimates put Greenlands total population at up to 13,000 (they did have a cathedral after all and at least two monasterys). The total population of Vikings in Iceland was between 30,000 and 50,000 and in Norway it was around 70,000-100,000 so 10% is a reasonable estimate. As far as the lack of barley there are nutritionists that will say the Greenland Vikings had a more healthy diet then the others. The only thing they really lacked was beer.
 
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You mean there were only 50,000 vikings at that time?

Eastern Settlement - Norse Settlement of Greenland

Eventually, the Eastern Settlement grew to ~200-500 (estimates vary) farmsteads, an Augustinian monastery, a Benedictine convent and 12 parish churches, accounting for perhaps as many as 4000-5000 individuals. Norsemen in Greenland were primarily farmers, raising cattle, sheep and goats, but supplementing that regimen with local marine and terrestrial fauna, trading polar bear fur, narwhal ivory and falcons for grain and metals from Iceland and eventually Norway. Although there were recorded attempts to grow barley, they were never successful.

There are now towns and cities within Greenland today and the population wants their own control over their country. As of 2010 there is 56 thousand people in Greenland. That proves that it is as warm or warmer then it was in the mid evil?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland
 
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You mean there were only 50,000 vikings at that time?

Eastern Settlement - Norse Settlement of Greenland

Eventually, the Eastern Settlement grew to ~200-500 (estimates vary) farmsteads, an Augustinian monastery, a Benedictine convent and 12 parish churches, accounting for perhaps as many as 4000-5000 individuals. Norsemen in Greenland were primarily farmers, raising cattle, sheep and goats, but supplementing that regimen with local marine and terrestrial fauna, trading polar bear fur, narwhal ivory and falcons for grain and metals from Iceland and eventually Norway. Although there were recorded attempts to grow barley, they were never successful.

There is towns and cities within Greenland today with them wanting their own control over their country? As of 2010 there is 56 thousand people in Greenland. That proves that it is as warm or warmer then it was in the mid evil?



No it doesn't. Greenland is allready largely self governing (though still a posession of Denmark). In fact they pulled out of the EU almost from the beginning. The newest population (Thule Culture) only moved back to Greenland after the end of the Little Ice Age.
 

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