Green Jobs Bonanza?

[westwall]

Maybe not. The Spanish experience is quite the opposite of what the alarmists tell us will be a green jobs bonanza. Spain realized a net loss of 2.2 jobs for every "green" job created. In Italy the job loss has been 4.8 jobs. Also the majority of green jobs are temporary installation type jobs. The reality (as we have seen on the vast majority of green everything) is greatly overstated.

Feeling the pain in Spain | jobs, green, state - Opinion - The Orange County Register

 

[Mr. H.]

As if that's not enough... Obama proposes tens of billion dollar tax hikes on the oil industry (at a cost of 150,000 jobs) in order to fund "green" technologies.

 

[Ravi]

We found the private section would have created that many more "real" jobs had the money not been removed and put toward politically divined ends

This is a false statement. They could find nothing of the sort and are only parroting what they wish to be true.

As for encouraging green jobs, it is a good idea. Eventually the jobs will help the economy...just like we once (and still) help oil, agriculture and transportation to thrive in the private sector there is no reason to not do this with clean energy beyond the conservatives knee jerk reaction against tree huggers.

 

[westwall]

We found the private section would have created that many more "real" jobs had the money not been removed and put toward politically divined ends

This is a false statement. They could find nothing of the sort and are only parroting what they wish to be true.

As for encouraging green jobs, it is a good idea. Eventually the jobs will help the economy...just like we once (and still) help oil, agriculture and transportation to thrive in the private sector there is no reason to not do this with clean energy beyond the conservatives knee jerk reaction against tree huggers.

I suggest you back this up with some solid evidence. ALL of the studies that have been done show your statement to be untrue.

 

[Old Rocks]

Total bullshit from Walleyes, as usual.

Study Cites Strong Green Job Growth - NYTimes.com

A new study says that the number of green jobs in the United States grew 9.1 percent between 1998 and 2007, about two and a half times faster than job growth in the economy as a whole.

The study, from the Pew Charitable Trusts, also breaks down green job growth on a state-by-state basis.

Green jobs are defined here as those belonging to the “clean energy economy,” which the study calls one that “generates jobs, businesses and investments while expanding clean energy production, increasing energy efficiency, reducing greenhouse-gas emissions, waste and pollution, and conserving water and other natural resources.”

Unsurprisingly, California has the most green jobs — more than 125,000 — followed by Texas at over 55,000. Oregon is the only state where green jobs represented more than 1 percent of employment.

Idaho led the way in green job growth, with 126 percent more such jobs over that time period, followed by Nebraska at 109 percent. New Mexico, Oregon and Kansas all posted just above 50 percent green-job growth.

 

[Revere]

Two jobs killed for every "green" job created. 11M more unemployed Americans.

 

[Mr. H.]

Yes we have no bonanza.

 

[Revere]

There is next to no job creation in the economy now.

What is 2 and a half times next to nothing?

 

[Old Rocks]

Oregon in top five for wind energy capacity - Sustainable Business Oregon

Oregon is now one of the top five states in the country for wind energy, according to the just-released annual report of the American Wind Energy Association.

Oregon pulled ahead of Minnesota in 2009 and is one of 14 states in the “gigawatt club” with more than 1,000 megawatts installed according to the association’s annual report.

According to the association, U.S. wind energy developers installed more than 10,000 megawatts of new wind power capacity in 2009, the largest year in U.S. history. That’s enough to power the equivalent of 2.4 million homes or generate as much electricity as three large nuclear power plants.

Other Oregon data points from the report include:


• Oregon ranks No. 4 for capacity added in 2009. The state added 754 megawatts of wind capacity in 2009, according to the report, enough to power about 190,000 homes. Oregon’s total installed capacity is 1,821 megawatts.
• Portland General Electric is the No. 3 utility in the United States for its use of wind energy.
• Oregon gets 6 percent of its energy mix from wind — up from 4 percent at the end of 2008 — making it the No. 4 state. Wind energy provided 1.8 percent of all U.S. power in 2009. Iowa gets 14 percent of its power from wind energy.
• The wind industry employed between 2,000 and 3,000 Oregonians in 2009. The association reports that all 50 states had some jobs in wind energy in 2009, with a total of about 85,000 people employed.

 

[Old Rocks]

Solar industry jobs available right now in Oregon.

Solar Jobs - Oregon | Simply Hired

These are good paying jobs.

 

[Old Rocks]

And more jobs

Solar Jobs - Oregon - Green Job Search

 

[Revere]

Small fish in small ponds.

 

[Old Rocks]

And then there are the wind jobs

Wind Power Jobs - Oregon - Green Job Search

 

[Revere]

Anyone can pretend they are creating something of value with billions in government subsidies.

 

[Old Rocks]

Small fish in small ponds.

Sour grapes from a small mind.

Those are hundreds of jobs for the taking. In just a small pond. You might want to have a look at that job market nationwide. How many other industries have that many jobs available at the present time?

 

[Old Rocks]

Anyone can pretend they are creating something of value with billions in government subsidies.

Less in government subsidies than oil and coal.

 

[Old Rocks]

http://photos1.blogger.com/x/blogger/5641/1150/1600/33128/Subsidies.jpg

Now this has changed to favor the alternatives, but oil and coal still get more than their share.

 

[Revere]

Anyone can pretend they are creating something of value with billions in government subsidies.

Less in government subsidies than oil and coal.

Uh, what "subsisidies" do they get?

What I said.

Government has to rig energy markets to make this garbage fly.

 

[Revere]

If wind and solar require that amount of subsidies for the pittance they produce, we have nothing but poverty in our future. We're screwed.

 

[Trajan]

Anyone can pretend they are creating something of value with billions in government subsidies.

Less in government subsidies than oil and coal.

Uh, what "subsisidies" do they get?

What I said.

Government has to rig energy markets to make this garbage fly.

yup.....ethanol has been having a hard time making a go of it...so the gov's answer? let them impregnate 15%( up from 10%) of each gallon where and when they can......good for archer daniels midland, sux for us. what a boondoggle.