Green Energy increases CO2 in atmosphere

[Old Rocks]

ScienceDirect - Geothermics : Minerals recovery from salton sea geothermal brines: a literature review and proposed cementation process*1

Abstract
The potential for minerals recovery from a 1000-MWe combined geothermal power and minerals recovery plant in the Salton Sea is examined. While the possible value of minerals recovered would substantially exceed the revenue from power production, information is insufficient to carry out a detailed economic analysis. The recovery of precious metals—silver, gold and platinum—is the most important factor in determining the economics of a minerals recovery plant. However, the precious metal content of the brines is not certain. Such a power plant could recover 14–31% of the U.S. demand for manganese and substantial amounts of zinc and lead. Previous work on minerals extraction from Salton Sea brines is reviewed and a new process, based on a fluidized-bed cementation reaction with metallic iron, is proposed. This process would recover the precious metals, lead and tin present in the brines.

 

[Old Rocks]

A far differant picture than mdn presents.

http://geoheat.oit.edu/bulletin/bull21-2/art1.pdf

MINING ECONOMIC BENEFITS FROM
GEOTHERMAL BRINE
CalEnergy Mineral Recovery Project Creates Jobs and Increases Revenues
from Geothermal Power Operations in California’s Imperial Valley

 

[Old Rocks]

This is a USGS site, with information on many geothermal sites that are at present being exploited. Far more site exist that could be exploited. And when you get into low temperature geo-thermal, 180 to 250 degrees, there are huge areas that can be economically exploited.

But note the amount of power just this one site produces. Enough to power two cities the size of San Francisco.

CVO Menu - The Plus Side of Volcanoes

The Geysers, California

The Geysers geothermal field near Santa Rosa, in Northern California produces enough electricity to meet the power demands of San Francisco. The Geysers area is the largest geothermal development in the world. -- Excerpt from: Kious and Tilling, 1996, This Dynamic Earth: The Story of Plate Tectonics: USGS General Interest Publication
Gravity and teleseismic studies suggest that a large silicic magma chamber, approximately 14 kilometers in diameter, lies 7 kilometers and deeper beneath the (Clear Lake) volcanic field. This reservoir is thought to be the heat source for the Geysers geothermal field (on the southwest side of the volcanic field), which is the largest producing geothermal field in the world, with installed electrical generating capacity of around 2,000 megawatts in 1988, enough electricity for about two cities the size of San Francisco. -- Excerpt from: Wood and Kienle, 1990, Volcanoes of North America: United States and Canada: Cambridge University Press, 354p., p.226-229, Contribution by Julie M. Donnelly-Nolan

 

[mdn2000]

ScienceDirect - Geothermics : Minerals recovery from salton sea geothermal brines: a literature review and proposed cementation process*1

Abstract
The potential for minerals recovery from a 1000-MWe combined geothermal power and minerals recovery plant in the Salton Sea is examined. While the possible value of minerals recovered would substantially exceed the revenue from power production, information is insufficient to carry out a detailed economic analysis. The recovery of precious metals—silver, gold and platinum—is the most important factor in determining the economics of a minerals recovery plant. However, the precious metal content of the brines is not certain. Such a power plant could recover 14–31% of the U.S. demand for manganese and substantial amounts of zinc and lead. Previous work on minerals extraction from Salton Sea brines is reviewed and a new process, based on a fluidized-bed cementation reaction with metallic iron, is proposed. This process would recover the precious metals, lead and tin present in the brines.

Forget the Alzheimer's medicine Old Crock.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/environment/92812-lol-7.html#post1696844

Not a pipe dream, either. Already being done successfully.

http://geoheat.oit.edu/bulletin/bull21-2/art1.pdf

On January 31, 1999, CalEnergy Operating Corp.
(CalEnergy) unveiled a $400 million expansion of their
geothermal power complex on the shores of the Salton Sea in
southern California’s Imperial Valley. The new construction
includes nearly 60 megawatts (MW) of new geothermal electrical
capacity, and a unique project to “mine” commercialgrade
zinc from geothermal brine produced for power
generation

This was classic Old Crock, Old Crock posted this after he posted this in the same thread;

There is one field in the Salton Sea that has pollution problems due to inadaquete design. Iceland, Italy, and many sites in the US produce virtually pollutionless geothermal.

My response showed that Old Crock argued that one geothermal plant did not make money due to a design flaw then Old Crock used the same plant to show that Geothermal made money, I showed that Old Crock was correct the first time, by posting the following.

Here is a link to one source showing that Old Crock posted an old article that is irrelevant.

http://www.osti.gov/geothermal/servlets/purl/895237-Vp8ett/895237.pdf

The zinc recovery project was put online in 2002,
but was shut down in 2004 due to technical problems

In 2002, a zinc-extraction plant was completed in the
Imperial Valley of California. It used electricity from
geothermal power plants for the recovery of metal from
geothermal brines (Clutter, 2000). The $400-million zinc
project by MidAmerican Energy Holding Co. was supposed
to extract 30,000 tonnes of zinc annually. The wastewater
from eight power plants, having 600 ppm of zinc was
utilized. Unfortunately, the plant, which ran until 2004,
produced less than 50% of capacity and lost $69 million on
the project (GRC, 2004d). It is now shut down and being
dismantled due to poor economics and technical problems.
MidAmerican is now looking at silica extraction.

There are more problems with the unreliable Geothermal energy, imagine a geothermal power plant producing such a tiny amount of power having an uncontollable event. The uncontrollable event was the brine eating through a 48" pipe until it literally explodes spilling toxic brine all over the imperial valley's Asparagus fields.

On July 10, 2003, the Salton Sea IV Project’s 40 megawatt turbine went out of service due to an uncontrollable force event.
Such uncontrollable force event ended, and the Salton Sea IV Project’s turbine returned to service, on September 17, 2003.
Edison failed to recognize the uncontrollable force event and, as such, has not paid amounts otherwise due and owing under
the Salton Sea IV power purchase agreement totaling $2.5 million. Salton Sea Power Generation, L.P., with Fish Lake Power
LLC, owner of the Salton Sea IV Project, served notices of error on Edison for such unpaid amounts

So from a "win, win" to a multi-million dollar loss, Old Crock I must say if you prove anything its that Green Energy is too expensive.

Hey, check out the amount of time this power plant was down, Old Crock you did not calculate this time into your costs either. Looks to me that Geothermal is too expensive and unreliable.

Now how about how much energy and what types does it take to produce one ton of fiberglass.

Problem with Old Crock and all who believe in Green Energy, they do not work in the industry. They just link to press releases

 

[mdn2000]

This is a USGS site, with information on many geothermal sites that are at present being exploited. Far more site exist that could be exploited. And when you get into low temperature geo-thermal, 180 to 250 degrees, there are huge areas that can be economically exploited.

But note the amount of power just this one site produces. Enough to power two cities the size of San Francisco.

CVO Menu - The Plus Side of Volcanoes

The Geysers, California

The Geysers geothermal field near Santa Rosa, in Northern California produces enough electricity to meet the power demands of San Francisco. The Geysers area is the largest geothermal development in the world. -- Excerpt from: Kious and Tilling, 1996, This Dynamic Earth: The Story of Plate Tectonics: USGS General Interest Publication
Gravity and teleseismic studies suggest that a large silicic magma chamber, approximately 14 kilometers in diameter, lies 7 kilometers and deeper beneath the (Clear Lake) volcanic field. This reservoir is thought to be the heat source for the Geysers geothermal field (on the southwest side of the volcanic field), which is the largest producing geothermal field in the world, with installed electrical generating capacity of around 2,000 megawatts in 1988, enough electricity for about two cities the size of San Francisco. -- Excerpt from: Wood and Kienle, 1990, Volcanoes of North America: United States and Canada: Cambridge University Press, 354p., p.226-229, Contribution by Julie M. Donnelly-Nolan

In another thread you posted a link to an article that linked to a press release that linked to a the study Old Crock referred to, written by Bloomquist, indirectly linked to by Old Crock, this study of Old Crock's contradicts what Old Crock contends, shall we dig that post up after Old Crock responds to the Salton Sea Geothermal project, you brought up the Salton Sea, now prove your point, begin by addressing what you ignored in the past.

 

[mdn2000]

Still no response from Old Crock, you are great at calling Republicans liars and offering no proof. Here it si Old Crock.

Where is your response.

 

[mdn2000]

70,760 gwh of electiricity produced by wind in the us in 2009.

Percentage of power provided to each state by wind, 2009.

Iowa 14.19%
Minnesota 9.42%
North Dakota 8.08
Oregon 6.04
Kansas 5.17%
Texas 4.18

Wikipedia is not a source.

you sound like a professor I had

You had a complete moron as a professor that made you use google links?

 

[mdn2000]

ScienceDirect - Geothermics : Minerals recovery from salton sea geothermal brines: a literature review and proposed cementation process*1

Abstract
The potential for minerals recovery from a 1000-MWe combined geothermal power and minerals recovery plant in the Salton Sea is examined. While the possible value of minerals recovered would substantially exceed the revenue from power production, information is insufficient to carry out a detailed economic analysis. The recovery of precious metals—silver, gold and platinum—is the most important factor in determining the economics of a minerals recovery plant. However, the precious metal content of the brines is not certain. Such a power plant could recover 14–31% of the U.S. demand for manganese and substantial amounts of zinc and lead. Previous work on minerals extraction from Salton Sea brines is reviewed and a new process, based on a fluidized-bed cementation reaction with metallic iron, is proposed. This process would recover the precious metals, lead and tin present in the brines.

Forget the Alzheimer's medicine Old Crock.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/environment/92812-lol-7.html#post1696844

Not a pipe dream, either. Already being done successfully.

http://geoheat.oit.edu/bulletin/bull21-2/art1.pdf

On January 31, 1999, CalEnergy Operating Corp.
(CalEnergy) unveiled a $400 million expansion of their
geothermal power complex on the shores of the Salton Sea in
southern California’s Imperial Valley. The new construction
includes nearly 60 megawatts (MW) of new geothermal electrical
capacity, and a unique project to “mine” commercialgrade
zinc from geothermal brine produced for power
generation

This was classic Old Crock, Old Crock posted this after he posted this in the same thread;



My response showed that Old Crock argued that one geothermal plant did not make money due to a design flaw then Old Crock used the same plant to show that Geothermal made money, I showed that Old Crock was correct the first time, by posting the following.

Here is a link to one source showing that Old Crock posted an old article that is irrelevant.







There are more problems with the unreliable Geothermal energy, imagine a geothermal power plant producing such a tiny amount of power having an uncontollable event. The uncontrollable event was the brine eating through a 48" pipe until it literally explodes spilling toxic brine all over the imperial valley's Asparagus fields.

On July 10, 2003, the Salton Sea IV Project’s 40 megawatt turbine went out of service due to an uncontrollable force event.
Such uncontrollable force event ended, and the Salton Sea IV Project’s turbine returned to service, on September 17, 2003.
Edison failed to recognize the uncontrollable force event and, as such, has not paid amounts otherwise due and owing under
the Salton Sea IV power purchase agreement totaling $2.5 million. Salton Sea Power Generation, L.P., with Fish Lake Power
LLC, owner of the Salton Sea IV Project, served notices of error on Edison for such unpaid amounts

So from a "win, win" to a multi-million dollar loss, Old Crock I must say if you prove anything its that Green Energy is too expensive.

Hey, check out the amount of time this power plant was down, Old Crock you did not calculate this time into your costs either. Looks to me that Geothermal is too expensive and unreliable.

Now how about how much energy and what types does it take to produce one ton of fiberglass.

Problem with Old Crock and all who believe in Green Energy, they do not work in the industry. They just link to press releases

Old Crock the Liberal Political Hack. Old Crock is a hack because Old Crock continues the same tired politics, ignore evidence, ignore fact, ignore when Old Crock is proven wrong.

Just repeat that message over and over and over.

Lets go Old Crock, your great at calling others liars, your great at being a filthy mouthed political hack, so where is the link, oh you cannot provide a link after you really screw up and get irrefutable facts.

See Old Crock, I am not a political hack, I am not some young liberal punk, I am a man who has worked at the Geothermal plants, I have inspected the Geothermal plants Old Crock used as examples of profitable Geothermal.

Geothermal at the Salton Sea is unreliable, dirty, filthy, polluting, pigs of consumption, no other form of energy requires as much natural resources as Geothermal.