Gramm calls slowdown 'mental'

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    By MIKE ALLEN | 7/10/08 12:39 PM EST Updated: 7/10/08 12:39 PM EST

    Former Sen. Phil Gramm, a top economic adviser to presumptive GOP nominee John McCain, referred to the economic slowdown as "a mental recession" and called the United States “a nation of whiners.”

    The comments, in an interview with The Washington Times, could hurt the campaign’s efforts to convince working-class Americans that McCain feels their pain.

    Democrats immediately condemned the remarks as “callous” and quickly began working to gain widespread attention to them.

    Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton shot back "[T]he American people know that our economic problems aren’t just in their heads. They don’t need psychological relief — they need real relief — and that’s what Barack Obama will provide as president."

    The Democratic National Committee issued a statement titled: “Out of Touch Much, Phil.”

    A McCain official said: “Phil Gramm’s comments are not representative of John McCain’s views. John McCain travels the country every day talking to Americans who are hurting, feeling pain at the pump and worrying about how they’ll pay their mortgage. That’s why he has a realistic plan to deliver immediate relief at the gas pump, grow our economy and put Americans back to work.”

    The Times said Gramm said he expects a McCain administration would inherit an economy “weighed down above all by the conviction of many Americans that economic conditions are the worst in two or three decades and that America is in decline.”

    The Times quoted him as saying: “You've heard of mental depression; this is a mental recession. … We have sort of become a nation of whiners. …

    “You just hear this constant whining, complaining about a loss of competitiveness, America in decline. … We've never been more dominant; we've never had more natural advantages than we have today.”

    Karen Finney, the Democratic National Committee’s communications director, said: “What John McCain, George Bush, Phil Gramm just don't understand is that the American people aren't whining about the state of the economy, they are suffering under the weight of it — the weight of eight years of Bush-enomics that John McCain and Phil Gramm have vowed to continue.

    “How dare john McCain and his advisers so callously dismiss the challenges the American people face? No wonder voters feel john McCain is out of touch. He and his campaign don't even understand the everyday issues Americans are dealing with.”

    Gramm calls slowdown 'mental' - Mike Allen - Politico.com
     
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    LOL.... Gramm is an idiot...
     
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    I think he's more than half right. Working people are living better than ever and making better wages. That pretty much rules out recession. Our unemployment rate is less than it was in the 90s...and anybody who wants a job can get one. How does that spell recession?
     
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    For once I agree with Gramm.

    We are a nation of whinners.

    It's time to roll up our sleeves.
     
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    You do realize we he referred to "whiners" he was talking about politicians? Anyways, his statement about the "mental recession" was just plain stupid....
     
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    Nice try but he wasn't talking about politicians. If he was then why would he refer to a "nation of whiners"?

    But I think I understand what he means. The economic conditions, when they start to wobble a bit, don't really worry the super-wealthy. Take the housing market. When it takes a hit it takes it in the middle class ownership area. The top end of the market is always protected from the vagaries of the economy. So, yes, for someone on the top of the pile listening to the complaints from those in the middle, it would sound a bit like whining.
     
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    I was listening to the head of the Department of Labor last night on CNN and she debunked every one of those claims. She said today our unemployment rate is 5.5%, while in the 90s it was 5.7.

    And the plain truth is...we do live better than our parents. The WSJ article actually says this:

    "The study also mentions that families with men in their 30s do have more income today than a generation ago."

    They took into account that we're doing better because both parents work...but that's still doing better, particularly considering the fact that we worked so long and hard to get women into the work place. You can't hav it both ways and whine that we aren't doing better because the numbers are skewed because women have to or choose to work....and then whine if they don't work as well.


    And if you had read the comments to that article, you would see that almost every one of those who commented said they were doing exponentially better than their parents.

    We aren't worse off. It's a myth perpetuated by people who want you to think we're in dire straits and only sweeping socialistic reform will save us. It's propaganda, baby.

    The other article, which says we've suffered the biggest surge in more than a decade conveniently leaves out (because they don't want you to know) that even with that big surge, we STILL have a lower unemployment rate than we had in the 90s. Even with the surge. Kinda telling.
     
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    Well if politicians are 'supposedly representatives' of the country. Wouldn't that make it a a nation of whiners?
     
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    I don't think of politicians as representatives in the sense that they are like us. They are representatives in the sense that they represent our best interests to others.
     

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