Governor To Cut Collective Baragaining.

[PoliticalChic]

"During a visit Tuesday to Wausau, Gov. Scott Walker defended his proposal to strip most collective bargaining rights from public employees....outline his plan to limit unions' negotiating powers.

... his eventual goal is to make Wisconsin a "right-to-work" state in which payment of union dues can't be made a condition for employment where organized labor is represented.

[Republican Scott] Suder, a 13-year member of the Assembly, described the plan as "painful to legislate" because it asks people to pay more toward their benefits while the economy still is struggling. But he said Walker's proposal is needed to address a projected $3.7 billion budget deficit.

Suder said he would consider changes raised by other state lawmakers, such as adjusting the proportion of health insurance premiums and pensions that employees would be required to pay. Under Walker's proposal, public employees would pay 12.6 percent of their health care premiums and contribute 5.6 percent of their annual salaries to pensions."No one likes to say, 'we're going to be paying more' -- if you look at the national average, I don't understand the argument as to how this is going to be more painful than losing jobs and massive layoffs," Suder said."
Gov. Scott Walker defends budget plan during Wausau visit | wausaudailyherald.com | Wausau Daily Herald
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This is going to hurt a lot of hard working folks, but the blame should be laid at the feet of the union leaders and public officials, including our President, who have shown disrespect for wokers and employers in the public sector...

It is unfortunate that needed adjustments can't be more gradual, but the pendulum swings...

 

[Madeline]

 

[MalibuMan]

Trying that here in Ohio too! About dam time!

 

[NYcarbineer]

Great. Get more people working for less money. Get more people into that half of the American households who pay NO federal income taxes. That'll really help.

 

[uscitizen]

I have lived in "right to work" states.
It turns out be more an employers rights thing not employees.

Beware of any law with a good sounding name.

 

[uscitizen]

Great. Get more people working for less money. Get more people into that half of the American households who pay NO federal income taxes. That'll really help.

Yes another one who understands. This is a corporate led race to the bottom.
Get used to living with less folks.

 

[The Rabbi]

Good for him.
There is no reason that public sector workers should have collective bargaining rights or unions to begin with.

 

[Skull Pilot]

So some of you don't want people to have the choice of whether or not to join a union?

 

[Jarhead]

Great. Get more people working for less money. Get more people into that half of the American households who pay NO federal income taxes. That'll really help.

Salaries are based on the deamnd for the position in a free market.
They dont like the salary, dont take the job.

It must be tough being you. So pessimistic. So angry. So wrapped up in the fear of being taken advantage of.

So pathetic.

 

[Avatar4321]

Let's see how "peaceful" the left is in Wisconsin now.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I have lived in "right to work" states.
It turns out be more an employers rights thing not employees.

Beware of any law with a good sounding name.

So, you think most workers want the unions?

Results of a recent Rasmussen poll found that 9% of nonunion workers were interested in joining a union. For public school grads, that means that 91% have no such interest. In fact, maybe that means that 9% are public school grads who didn’t learn to read on their own. (Just 9% of Non-Union Workers Want to Join Union - Rasmussen Reports™)

Rasmussen found that even workers in companies who were in danger of losing their jobs, it was still only 9%. What do the 91% know about union membership that the 9% don’t? One can only conjecture.


Those dang 'employers'...

You might be interested in the fact that almost one-third of labor disputes are union infractions:
The NLRB received 22, 497 unfair-labor-practices charges in 2008. But of those, 6,210 were filed against unions for “alleged illegal restraint and coercion of employees.” (http://nlrb.gov/nlrb/shared_files/brochures/Annual Reports/Entire2008Annual.pdf)

Funny, isn't it, how 'common knowlege' is sometimes disputed by the facts?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Great. Get more people working for less money. Get more people into that half of the American households who pay NO federal income taxes. That'll really help.

Salaries are based on the deamnd for the position in a free market.
They dont like the salary, dont take the job.

It must be tough being you. So pessimistic. So angry. So wrapped up in the fear of being taken advantage of.

So pathetic.

Fuck off, Poser.

 

[boedicca]

I hope he's successful - and that union decertification spreads across the country.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Most of the right to work states suck more money out of the federal government than they pay in.

 

[NYcarbineer]

I hope he's successful - and that union decertification spreads across the country.

Why? So more Americans work for less money? So even more American households need 2 spouses working outside the home to be able to afford to raise a family?

What is it with conservatives that they are so eager to see Americans working more for less money?

 

[WillowTree]

Critical mass is reached when you have more takers than givers. The private sector is tired of giving to the public employee unions. It's just that simple.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Critical mass is reached when you have more takers than givers. The private sector is tired of giving to the public employee unions. It's just that simple.

Fine. When your teachers and cops and firefighters are working for peanuts, enjoy the quality of education and law enforcement and public safety you get.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Good for him.
There is no reason that public sector workers should have collective bargaining rights or unions to begin with.

Rabbi, these public sector folks are workers, and we all know that any place where one has a supervisor, bullying and intimidation can take place.

There needs to be, to coin a phrase, checks and balances....contracts. This implies bargaining.
Coolidge and Reagan pretty much obviated strikes...

there must be some kind of middle ground.
In NY we have a Taylor Law which prevents strikes, and the next problem is how to limit the kind of contributions to public officials that put us into these straits.

Remember this:

SEIU President Andy Stern: “We spent a fortune to elect Barack Obama- $60.7 million, to be exact- and we’re proud of it.”

 

[boedicca]

Critical mass is reached when you have more takers than givers. The private sector is tired of giving to the public employee unions. It's just that simple.

Fine. When your teachers and cops and firefighters are working for peanuts, enjoy the quality of education and law enforcement and public safety you get.

The old actual service worker body shield bromide.

What about the army of bureaucrats that hide behind the people who actually perform a public service? They out number the productive ones.

 

[WillowTree]

Critical mass is reached when you have more takers than givers. The private sector is tired of giving to the public employee unions. It's just that simple.

Fine. When your teachers and cops and firefighters are working for peanuts, enjoy the quality of education and law enforcement and public safety you get.

I think you should take your head out yer ass and realize that our education sucks know why? cause the teachers care more about themselves than they do in educating children, get rid of tenure. get rid of bad teachers.